things you're secretly kinda libertariany about

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There's times I'm glad I'm not American

Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Monday, 13 February 2012 11:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

8am to midnight, 7/365

beware of greeks bearing petrol bombs (darraghmac), Monday, 13 February 2012 11:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'm not really interested in a "why own guns" convo. more interested in the thoughts of left wingers who support gun rights to the point that they would consider themselves libertarian about it.

The Austerity of PONIES (beachville), Monday, 13 February 2012 12:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

Scared the world governemnt's coming after them?

Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Monday, 13 February 2012 12:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

sometimes I get in trouble on ilx because i'm up and running before the rest of my continent.

The Austerity of PONIES (beachville), Monday, 13 February 2012 12:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

i sort of support gun ownership tho i think it might've been better if the genie had never been let out of the lamp. but i'm cool with the notion that a state doesn't hold a monopoly on firearms.

dayove cool (Noodle Vague), Monday, 13 February 2012 12:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

i feel like the aspect of government that regulates gun ownership is as far as I can tell a left-wing impulse: regulation in the interests of public safety. keeping guns out of the hands of convicted criminals, specifiically.

The Austerity of PONIES (beachville), Monday, 13 February 2012 12:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

like it seems to me that it's difficult to argue that gun ownership hasn't had some terrible consequences in countries that allow it, but there's a big question about whether those consequences are sufficient to outweigh an adult's right to own a firearm, and to what extent you can separate a gun culture from gun legislation.

dayove cool (Noodle Vague), Monday, 13 February 2012 12:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

a left-wing impulse: regulation in the interests of public safety

i think most right-wingers who aren't some shade of libertarian are also happy for the state to legislate in matters of public health and safety?

dayove cool (Noodle Vague), Monday, 13 February 2012 12:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

or if not happy, at least consider it a necessary evil

dayove cool (Noodle Vague), Monday, 13 February 2012 12:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

maybe it depends on how we define public health and safety, but I can think of an instance when they would. like

The Austerity of PONIES (beachville), Monday, 13 February 2012 12:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

ok, that's not entirely true.

The Austerity of PONIES (beachville), Monday, 13 February 2012 12:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

care to elaborate? are you thinking about healthcare? i have a thick head this morning.

dayove cool (Noodle Vague), Monday, 13 February 2012 12:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

CPAC basically building a bonfire in the shape of the EPA, though?

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 13 February 2012 12:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

xp £5 it's abortion.

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 13 February 2012 12:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think that's a moot point when the state holds a monopoly on tanks and drones and nukes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY (dayo), Monday, 13 February 2012 12:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

I secretly love fast sports cars and feel the US should use its vast land resources to build racetracks in every county, people would park their fast cars in the 'clubhouse garage' and race them on weekends, however your car is not allowed onto a public highway if it gets under 30mpg, but you can go 110+ mph on the racetrack ^_^

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY (dayo), Monday, 13 February 2012 12:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

dayo, i will support you if you want to run for office. that's the best.

noodle, i was thinking specifically of conservative take on environmental regulations, but also healthcare. i do realize that cons do legislate in the name of public safety though, often i guess in terms of crime. i dont know really though. feel like reading up on this once i get to the office.

The Austerity of PONIES (beachville), Monday, 13 February 2012 12:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

i personally find firing guns incredibly amusing but the country would for sure be a better place were they just not available

lag∞n, Monday, 13 February 2012 13:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

But there are already threads about whether or not guns should be available. I just wanted clarification from people on why they would choose a "libertarian" stance.

The Austerity of PONIES (beachville), Monday, 13 February 2012 13:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'd have that stance because i think "competent adults" - not gonna argue the toss about that now - shd be free to do as they wish as long as that freedom doesn't actively curtail the rights of other people. in practice obviously that is massively complicated. unless you're a libertarian i guess.

dayove cool (Noodle Vague), Monday, 13 February 2012 13:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

its because guns are sweet to fire and i should be able to do what i want

lag∞n, Monday, 13 February 2012 13:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

the things i'm libertariany about i'm not secretly libertarian about, like sex and drugs but then i imagine most libertarians never have good sex or drugs so its like

judith, Monday, 13 February 2012 14:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

yah but its important that they have the right to

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY (dayo), Monday, 13 February 2012 14:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

the notion of rights divorced from power is an interesting and problematic one

dayove cool (Noodle Vague), Monday, 13 February 2012 14:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

But there are already threads about whether or not guns should be available. I just wanted clarification from people on why they would choose a "libertarian" stance.

― The Austerity of PONIES (beachville), Monday, February 13, 2012 8:54 AM (14 minutes ago)

the OP asks for issuse ppl think should be "less" reglated more than "not" regulated

ploppawheelie V (k3vin k.), Monday, 13 February 2012 14:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

Fair point. However, as a person who thinks people should be able to own guns if they want, I'm not against the existing amount of regulation.

The Austerity of PONIES (beachville), Monday, 13 February 2012 14:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

I wanna see a thread on "Things you would be sorta totalitarian about if it they weren't inherently wrong and kind of fascist".

wolf kabob (ENBB), Monday, 13 February 2012 14:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

ENBB. ENBB. You can make that thread!

The Austerity of PONIES (beachville), Monday, 13 February 2012 14:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

that theme definitely has more resonance with me, my libertarian side is entirely dull, but i'm sure i could make a good well-meaning totalitarian.

Merdeyeux, Monday, 13 February 2012 14:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

theres not very much that im libertarian abt tbh. at least nothing thats been mentioned on this thread.

max, Monday, 13 February 2012 14:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

xp - No way I'm starting that. By all means you go ahead and do so.

wolf kabob (ENBB), Monday, 13 February 2012 14:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

all you gun nuts are insane btw but i guess weve covered that

max, Monday, 13 February 2012 14:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

hope youre enjoying your pheasant hunting

max, Monday, 13 February 2012 14:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

zoning was referenced itt max, surely zoning

iatee, Monday, 13 February 2012 14:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'm cool with the notion that a state doesn't hold a monopoly on firearms

"they got the guns but we got the numbers" <-------- Jimbo bringin' it

Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Monday, 13 February 2012 14:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

xps to ENBB: oh no, after you, please.

The Austerity of PONIES (beachville), Monday, 13 February 2012 14:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

nr absolutist on free speech (had a fight with my housemate about this news story just last week http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-16609303)

caek, Monday, 13 February 2012 14:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

I would be fine w/ guns being legal if they were taxed so they cost $1 billion each and all the money goes to make up for the misery they inflict on society. it would be good for capitalism cause then people would have to work really hard to afford a gun.

iatee, Monday, 13 February 2012 14:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh yeah i missed zoning. no more zoning. down with the state

max, Monday, 13 February 2012 14:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

im like 100% ok with the state holding a monopoly on firearms but really id rather no one have guns not even soldiers. make them fight with swords again

max, Monday, 13 February 2012 14:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

not a big issue really, we mostly fight we robots today anyway

iatee, Monday, 13 February 2012 14:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

with

iatee, Monday, 13 February 2012 14:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

drones dropping swords on pakistan

max, Monday, 13 February 2012 14:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

gotta make sure theyre pointed down though

max, Monday, 13 February 2012 14:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

the truth about 9/11

caek, Monday, 13 February 2012 15:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

e. state secession

iatee, Monday, 13 February 2012 15:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

Here's a v banal one, not for me but for my dad (because libertarianisn is really banal and boring and this should illustrate why): he bought a big van for towing/moving things. It has an electronic system that senses the air pressure in each tire, in case the driver doesn't ever, ever check and can't tell if a tire is low from how it feels to drive. (My dad can tell if the car got enough sleep last night by how it drives, I'm surprised he even bothers to take them apart to confirm his suspicions.)

The tire pressure sensor system cost several thousand bucks and was mandatory under some kind of safety measure. He was p mad about that, because he's not a person that would ever forget to check, or not notice, not like THOSE OTHER PEOPLE. And why should he have to pay for something that only protects them from their own stupidity?

one little aioli (Laurel), Monday, 13 February 2012 15:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

I don't know if this is anything a "real" libertarian thinks, but I don't think children should be required to attend school.

(also that we should be waaaaay more aggressive in kicking children out of school, but that's more the totalitarian in me than the libertarian)

Euler, Monday, 13 February 2012 15:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

what about a 10 y/o whose parents died

iatee, Monday, 13 February 2012 15:09 (2 years ago) Permalink


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