things you're secretly kinda libertariany about

people above who said you're libertarian about guns: are you guys actually anti-regulation? I support gun ownership (and I've always thought this was one of the areas where I was pretty "lol conservative" by ilxor standards), but feel that things like background checks are good for public safety. are you guys really totally hands-off "libertarian" on this?

Why would you support gun ownership?

self-defense and hunting. note that I dont own a gun, but might in the future and have friends who do.

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i'm not really interested in a "why own guns" convo. more interested in the thoughts of left wingers who support gun rights to the point that they would consider themselves libertarian about it.

Scared the world governemnt's coming after them?

sometimes I get in trouble on ilx because i'm up and running before the rest of my continent.

i sort of support gun ownership tho i think it might've been better if the genie had never been let out of the lamp. but i'm cool with the notion that a state doesn't hold a monopoly on firearms.

i feel like the aspect of government that regulates gun ownership is as far as I can tell a left-wing impulse: regulation in the interests of public safety. keeping guns out of the hands of convicted criminals, specifiically.

like it seems to me that it's difficult to argue that gun ownership hasn't had some terrible consequences in countries that allow it, but there's a big question about whether those consequences are sufficient to outweigh an adult's right to own a firearm, and to what extent you can separate a gun culture from gun legislation.

a left-wing impulse: regulation in the interests of public safety

i think most right-wingers who aren't some shade of libertarian are also happy for the state to legislate in matters of public health and safety?

or if not happy, at least consider it a necessary evil

maybe it depends on how we define public health and safety, but I can think of an instance when they would. like

ok, that's not entirely true.

care to elaborate? are you thinking about healthcare? i have a thick head this morning.

CPAC basically building a bonfire in the shape of the EPA, though?

xp £5 it's abortion.

I think that's a moot point when the state holds a monopoly on tanks and drones and nukes

I secretly love fast sports cars and feel the US should use its vast land resources to build racetracks in every county, people would park their fast cars in the 'clubhouse garage' and race them on weekends, however your car is not allowed onto a public highway if it gets under 30mpg, but you can go 110+ mph on the racetrack ^_^

dayo, i will support you if you want to run for office. that's the best.

noodle, i was thinking specifically of conservative take on environmental regulations, but also healthcare. i do realize that cons do legislate in the name of public safety though, often i guess in terms of crime. i dont know really though. feel like reading up on this once i get to the office.

i personally find firing guns incredibly amusing but the country would for sure be a better place were they just not available

But there are already threads about whether or not guns should be available. I just wanted clarification from people on why they would choose a "libertarian" stance.

i'd have that stance because i think "competent adults" - not gonna argue the toss about that now - shd be free to do as they wish as long as that freedom doesn't actively curtail the rights of other people. in practice obviously that is massively complicated. unless you're a libertarian i guess.

its because guns are sweet to fire and i should be able to do what i want

the things i'm libertariany about i'm not secretly libertarian about, like sex and drugs but then i imagine most libertarians never have good sex or drugs so its like

yah but its important that they have the right to

the notion of rights divorced from power is an interesting and problematic one

But there are already threads about whether or not guns should be available. I just wanted clarification from people on why they would choose a "libertarian" stance.

― The Austerity of PONIES (beachville), Monday, February 13, 2012 8:54 AM (14 minutes ago)

the OP asks for issuse ppl think should be "less" reglated more than "not" regulated

Fair point. However, as a person who thinks people should be able to own guns if they want, I'm not against the existing amount of regulation.

I wanna see a thread on "Things you would be sorta totalitarian about if it they weren't inherently wrong and kind of fascist".

ENBB. ENBB. You can make that thread!

that theme definitely has more resonance with me, my libertarian side is entirely dull, but i'm sure i could make a good well-meaning totalitarian.

theres not very much that im libertarian abt tbh. at least nothing thats been mentioned on this thread.

xp - No way I'm starting that. By all means you go ahead and do so.

all you gun nuts are insane btw but i guess weve covered that

hope youre enjoying your pheasant hunting

zoning was referenced itt max, surely zoning

i'm cool with the notion that a state doesn't hold a monopoly on firearms

"they got the guns but we got the numbers" <-------- Jimbo bringin' it

xps to ENBB: oh no, after you, please.

nr absolutist on free speech (had a fight with my housemate about this news story just last week http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-16609303)

I would be fine w/ guns being legal if they were taxed so they cost $1 billion each and all the money goes to make up for the misery they inflict on society. it would be good for capitalism cause then people would have to work really hard to afford a gun.

oh yeah i missed zoning. no more zoning. down with the state

im like 100% ok with the state holding a monopoly on firearms but really id rather no one have guns not even soldiers. make them fight with swords again

not a big issue really, we mostly fight we robots today anyway

with

drones dropping swords on pakistan

gotta make sure theyre pointed down though

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