things you're secretly kinda libertariany about

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you know what they say a libertarian is a vegan whos been covered in honey

lag∞n, Monday, 13 February 2012 04:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

huh never heard that one

ploppawheelie V (k3vin k.), Monday, 13 February 2012 04:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

libertarians are correct to value freedom, but they are incorrect for believing that freedom is found in the rights of the individual. there is a higher form of freedom, and that is in conformity with a greater whole.

Banaka™ (banaka), Monday, 13 February 2012 04:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

it must be tough to "bee" a libertarian

omar little, Monday, 13 February 2012 04:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

c. flat tax

(everyone making over 200k pays 70%, everyone else pays nothing)

iatee, Monday, 13 February 2012 04:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm torn on smoking in bars. I get the idea that bars should be able to decide whether to allow smoking or not, but at the same time there's not exactly perfect freedom of movement for people in the industry - a lot of times there aren't comparable-income or comparable-hour jobs available to the people stuck working in the smoke.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 13 February 2012 04:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

sometimes i like to be in a smoky bar, most of the time i prefer not to. otoh i live somewhere with a real mild climate, so going outside to smoke is not that unpleasant.

sarahell, Monday, 13 February 2012 04:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

alcohol regulations, especially in canada. (is that too easy?)

I'm weirdly ambivalent about this one. As profoundly as I enjoyed the bounties to be had in the States, there's a part of me that actually thinks that there's something to be said for alcohol not being as cheap and available.

xp: What I meant by my question upthread was "How many bars were there that chose not to allow smoking before the bans?"

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 13 February 2012 04:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

d. people can smoke in bars but they have to give money to everyone around them to make up for the health costs

iatee, Monday, 13 February 2012 04:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

The LCBO is obviously a bit crap though.

xpost

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 13 February 2012 04:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

xp - but that's why there's already such an enormous tax on cigarettes though!

sarahell, Monday, 13 February 2012 04:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

is it libertarian of me to wish that my cigarette tax money worked like social security, that it gets repaid to me when i get old?

sarahell, Monday, 13 February 2012 04:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

Ha, that Stephan Kinsella guy is so hardcore against anti-bribery laws!

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 13 February 2012 04:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

the beauty of cigarette-social security is that you don't have to worry about getting old

iatee, Monday, 13 February 2012 04:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

not everyone who smokes dies young!

sarahell, Monday, 13 February 2012 05:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

OK, I read through most of Kinsella's article. Thanks for linking it, Sanpaku. I'm not as hardcore as him. I'm OK with having some copyright and patent laws. I just think I should be able to photocopy handouts and play DVDs and CDs in class without needing to jump through multiple hoops.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 13 February 2012 05:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

d. people can smoke in bars but they have to give money to everyone around them to make up for the health costs

― iatee, Sunday, February 12, 2012 11:48 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

people can smoke in bars but they have to do everyones laundry

lag∞n, Monday, 13 February 2012 05:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

it must "sting" sometimes to "bee" a part of the libertarian party w/the trouble they have getting traction on the political landscape.

omar little, Monday, 13 February 2012 05:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

doin whatever i want (applies only to me)

― lag∞n, Sunday, February 12, 2012 11:19 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

p much

horseshoe, Monday, 13 February 2012 05:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

it must "sting" sometimes to "bee" a part of the libertarian party w/the trouble they have getting traction on the political landscape.

― omar little, Monday, February 13, 2012 12:25 AM (2 seconds ago)

honey, you don't know the half of it

ploppawheelie V (k3vin k.), Monday, 13 February 2012 05:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

not everyone who smokes dies young!

damn straight! smoking ages you something fierce, so it doesn't take very long to become an old smoker.

Aimless, Monday, 13 February 2012 05:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

i feel like techy libertarians have positions weird enough to put them in the vegans covered in honey category

or whatever

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 13 February 2012 05:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

"wll, cover me with ip law and throw me to the libertarians"

Answer #7 urgent & key here - Europe has left-identifying Libertarians too.

But any institution that can cause serious harm under the mismanagement of a few bad men (Alan Greenspan, Arthur Burns in the 70s) seriously requires scope reduction.

Or better regulation! <- statist until I die.

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 13 February 2012 08:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

fiat currencies.

The Austerity of PONIES (beachville), Monday, 13 February 2012 10:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

a. public unions *sometimes might not have* the public's welfare in mind w/ their pay and benefit deals and *sometimes* that can be a bad thing.

Not sure why they *should* have "the public welfare" in mind. That's not what unions are for. It's the job of the elected officials dealing with them to keep the public welfare in mind when structuring contracts.

The Large Hardon Collider (Phil D.), Monday, 13 February 2012 11:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yes, the bit of the public that's actually employed in the public union doesn't have anyone else on their side, is sort've the point of the unions.

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 13 February 2012 11:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

if i knew more about libertarian positions i'd probably agree with some of them

Dr Frogbius (darraghmac), Monday, 13 February 2012 11:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

people above who said you're libertarian about guns: are you guys actually anti-regulation? I support gun ownership (and I've always thought this was one of the areas where I was pretty "lol conservative" by ilxor standards), but feel that things like background checks are good for public safety. are you guys really totally hands-off "libertarian" on this?

The Austerity of PONIES (beachville), Monday, 13 February 2012 11:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

Why would you support gun ownership?

Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Monday, 13 February 2012 11:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

self-defense and hunting. note that I dont own a gun, but might in the future and have friends who do.

The Austerity of PONIES (beachville), Monday, 13 February 2012 11:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

There's times I'm glad I'm not American

Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Monday, 13 February 2012 11:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

8am to midnight, 7/365

beware of greeks bearing petrol bombs (darraghmac), Monday, 13 February 2012 11:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'm not really interested in a "why own guns" convo. more interested in the thoughts of left wingers who support gun rights to the point that they would consider themselves libertarian about it.

The Austerity of PONIES (beachville), Monday, 13 February 2012 12:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

Scared the world governemnt's coming after them?

Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Monday, 13 February 2012 12:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

sometimes I get in trouble on ilx because i'm up and running before the rest of my continent.

The Austerity of PONIES (beachville), Monday, 13 February 2012 12:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

i sort of support gun ownership tho i think it might've been better if the genie had never been let out of the lamp. but i'm cool with the notion that a state doesn't hold a monopoly on firearms.

dayove cool (Noodle Vague), Monday, 13 February 2012 12:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

i feel like the aspect of government that regulates gun ownership is as far as I can tell a left-wing impulse: regulation in the interests of public safety. keeping guns out of the hands of convicted criminals, specifiically.

The Austerity of PONIES (beachville), Monday, 13 February 2012 12:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

like it seems to me that it's difficult to argue that gun ownership hasn't had some terrible consequences in countries that allow it, but there's a big question about whether those consequences are sufficient to outweigh an adult's right to own a firearm, and to what extent you can separate a gun culture from gun legislation.

dayove cool (Noodle Vague), Monday, 13 February 2012 12:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

a left-wing impulse: regulation in the interests of public safety

i think most right-wingers who aren't some shade of libertarian are also happy for the state to legislate in matters of public health and safety?

dayove cool (Noodle Vague), Monday, 13 February 2012 12:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

or if not happy, at least consider it a necessary evil

dayove cool (Noodle Vague), Monday, 13 February 2012 12:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

maybe it depends on how we define public health and safety, but I can think of an instance when they would. like

The Austerity of PONIES (beachville), Monday, 13 February 2012 12:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

ok, that's not entirely true.

The Austerity of PONIES (beachville), Monday, 13 February 2012 12:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

care to elaborate? are you thinking about healthcare? i have a thick head this morning.

dayove cool (Noodle Vague), Monday, 13 February 2012 12:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

CPAC basically building a bonfire in the shape of the EPA, though?

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 13 February 2012 12:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

xp £5 it's abortion.

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 13 February 2012 12:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think that's a moot point when the state holds a monopoly on tanks and drones and nukes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY (dayo), Monday, 13 February 2012 12:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

I secretly love fast sports cars and feel the US should use its vast land resources to build racetracks in every county, people would park their fast cars in the 'clubhouse garage' and race them on weekends, however your car is not allowed onto a public highway if it gets under 30mpg, but you can go 110+ mph on the racetrack ^_^

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY (dayo), Monday, 13 February 2012 12:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

dayo, i will support you if you want to run for office. that's the best.

noodle, i was thinking specifically of conservative take on environmental regulations, but also healthcare. i do realize that cons do legislate in the name of public safety though, often i guess in terms of crime. i dont know really though. feel like reading up on this once i get to the office.

The Austerity of PONIES (beachville), Monday, 13 February 2012 12:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

i personally find firing guns incredibly amusing but the country would for sure be a better place were they just not available

lag∞n, Monday, 13 February 2012 13:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

But there are already threads about whether or not guns should be available. I just wanted clarification from people on why they would choose a "libertarian" stance.

The Austerity of PONIES (beachville), Monday, 13 February 2012 13:54 (2 years ago) Permalink


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