so tell me, why is Kaputt better or worse than Let England Shake?

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yeah come on...joyce is way better than led zep. ffs.

I'm going to allow this! (LocalGarda), Thursday, 9 February 2012 23:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 February 2012 23:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

well i think its also important to note that there a bunch of sites and magazines and big national newspapers whose critics all share somewhat of a similar aesthetic sensibility that can work to codify the new tv canon whereas music criticism is becoming more fractured and specialized.

Agree with this 100% but I think this critical consensus in itself is a product of the developments I identified in my preceding post.

Tim F, Thursday, 9 February 2012 23:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

How will format effect today's youth digesting of the canon, whatever the canon includes or excludes? I mean I have a cousin who is getting into music and he's 15. He will probably never buy a cd or a record and thinks I'm very weird for collecting record when I could be like him and just download what I want. I imagine him as an example of the future average music consumer. I always thought of the canon as being a package type deal, format and all. What bearing does the canon have on someone who thinks of music as only disposable singles? I imagine very little. I dunno, this probably has nothing to do with kaputt or LES.

JacobSanders, Friday, 10 February 2012 00:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

well, i think that canon has only ever really mattered to the sort of people who attach a lot of significance to the idea that certain types of music more "important" than others, and/or those who wish to have "good taste". people like that tend to look to voices of authority for guidance, sometimes even aspiring to join the ranks of the tastemaking arbiters.

music fans who aren't concerned with those things will probably have little interest in canonical importance or quality.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Friday, 10 February 2012 00:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

i kind of disagree, i think lots of people are or have been concerned with those things! people want to have 'good taste'

D-40, Friday, 10 February 2012 00:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

or see themselves as discerning

D-40, Friday, 10 February 2012 00:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah, i know. i was breaking it down to canon people vs "don't give a shit about a canon" people. not saying that either group is more numerous, and lots of folks are obviously somewhere in the middle.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Friday, 10 February 2012 00:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

probably most people in the middle, tbh

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Friday, 10 February 2012 00:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

deej p much 100% otm so far

i listened to the pj harvey album and realised its that thing i always make my housemate turn off in the kitchen when we are cooking. he doesn't really like kaputt either.

judith, Friday, 10 February 2012 02:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

ah c'cmon, he's just swiping at tangents. grumble, kvetch...

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Friday, 10 February 2012 08:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

man i still can't really get down with bejar's vocals, and there are large portions of kaputt that are a yawner for me and that i have problems with,

but that "sounds, smash hits..." couplet is just all-time. doesn't really scan but perfect. how did he do that?

dell (del), Sunday, 12 February 2012 07:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

he read a magizine, iirc

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Sunday, 12 February 2012 07:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

Played Kaputt in the car today, every song is a jam.

Tim F, Sunday, 12 February 2012 11:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

this thread inspired me to go back to all of PJ Harvey's albums on Spotify

she fucking owns

I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 20:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

great post, mouthy.

⚓ (gr8080), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 20:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

Obviously this is a drunken thread so this seems extraneous, but Kaputt is very clearly very American and Let England Shake is very clear very English. I like both, a lot, but I prefer PJ's.

― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Sunday, February 5, 2012 5:05 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

but destroyer isn't american...

this entire episode definitely made the US posters seem more parochial than the UK ones, which i hadn't thought was the case before

― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Sunday, February 5, 2012 5:38 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yes in a lot of ways kaputt feels very... canadian to me. don't ask me to explain how or why though. peace

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 21:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

Nick that's a wonderful post

Flag post? I hardly knew her! (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 21:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

Thanks dude.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 07:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

Dudes.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 07:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, just read the blog - nice one sicko, enjoyed it

The Invisible Superstars (dog latin), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 08:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah, same here. loved reading that (though i'm still in camp shake).

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 08:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

what's that a link to

desperado, rough rider (thomp), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 10:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

this entire episode definitely made the US posters seem more parochial than the UK ones, which i hadn't thought was the case before

hm.

desperado, rough rider (thomp), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 10:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

can i just take a moment to laugh at whoever compared pj harvey to ts eliot

desperado, rough rider (thomp), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 10:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

hey they both have initials

dayove cool (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 10:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

So does JFK.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 10:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'd been wondering why I'd suddenly got lots of people following me on Twitter.

The Invisible Superstars (dog latin), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 11:01 (2 years ago) Permalink


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