so tell me, why is Kaputt better or worse than Let England Shake?

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genuine pity in my heart for u guys

mixed with a tinge of contempt of course

like a Destroyer song

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 23:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

i just love kaputt because it takes a lot of elements of dance music and pop music like synths and "out there" production techniques but it does it with songs that are so much more *intelligent* and well-crafted than what you hear in the top 40

lol

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 23:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

the new m'shell ndegeocello album has some stuff that reminds me of kaputt, those are some of my favorite tracks on that album tbh, i wouldn't mind seeing a bejar/mshell collabo :)

dave coolier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 23:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

The Destroyer album is like From The Choirgirl Hotel crossed with Aaliyah, only 10 times better than either.

Tim F, Tuesday, 7 February 2012 23:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

The reason it's better is that it's not manufactured or kooky, it's really intelligent and thoughtful.

Tim F, Tuesday, 7 February 2012 23:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

superpitcher, yeah. there's the dance thing again. its not even really a fair fight. any of those kompact dudes could make sweet 80's sounds and i wouldn't have to hear the destroyer dude singing and i would want to play it over and over again. so i guess that's really where i stand. there is just better/more enjoyable stuff out there. still would play an instrumental version of the destroyer album and probably dig it a bunch. might not play it over and over though.

scott seward, Tuesday, 7 February 2012 23:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

Abigail's Party has a lot to answer for.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 23:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

have you heard john maus, scott?

I'm going to allow this! (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 23:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

destroyer fucking wishes he could write a hook as strong as "moving on up"

― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend),

yeah Screamadelica is awesome!

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 23:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

hey, tim, what do you think of M83? (third time's a charm) okay, promise i won't ask again. he probably likes the early remixes too.

scott seward, Tuesday, 7 February 2012 23:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

xp: contederizer dude, please keep up]

pfft. i'm dancing as fast as i can...

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 23:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

i can't believe primal scream covered m people :(

first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 23:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

xxpost Sorry Scott missed your first reference to this.

I quite liked the album before the recent one. Haven't heard the recent one. Should I?

Of the earlier stuff I liked it but (predictably) preferred the remixes as well.

Tim F, Tuesday, 7 February 2012 23:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

i can't believe primal scream covered m people :(

okay lol at this.

Tim F, Tuesday, 7 February 2012 23:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

no, i don't think so. i get him confused with deadmaus. i'll look him up.

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scott seward, Tuesday, 7 February 2012 23:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

i just love kaputt because it takes a lot of elements of dance music and pop music like synths and "out there" production techniques but it does it with songs that are so much more *intelligent* and well-crafted than what you hear in the top 40

oh boy

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 23:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol

dave coolier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 23:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

okay lol at this.

not sure what type of lol tho

I'm going to allow this! (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 23:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

at, not with

Tim F, Tuesday, 7 February 2012 23:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

we are descending into a troll/counter-troll vortex and it is totally awesome

I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 23:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh i just wondered, tim. i don't really listen to M83 much. just on youtube. i think some of it is interesting. and i like some of the old/new blends that the guy gets. i think he's often successful at it. but, like i said earlier, i think the french are really good at the 80's.

scott seward, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 00:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

i think the french are really good at the 80's.

sébastien tellier >>>>>>>>>>>>>> m83 who are pretty much just raw material for superpitcher to make great

first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 00:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

i will say that i like this destroyer stuff more than any ariel pink i've heard. i've never heard any ariel pink that ever made me want to hear ariel pink again. some of it sounded really terrible to me. felt like the lex whenever he hears, uh, stuff the lex hates. the smiths or something.

scott seward, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 00:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh god even i like destroyer more than ariel pink, at least it doesn't suffer from that "recorded in a drainpipe" thing

fucking wish i could shove ariel pink and his ilk inside a drainpipe

the smiths are even more repellent than all these people

first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 00:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

dear god, i entirely missed that john maus interview/thread :/

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 00:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

ariel punkd

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 00:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

hey scott i know you didnt ask me but i like M83 less and less w/ every album but that said i still like them a lot!

⚓ (gr8080), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 00:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

I can't get past Gonzalez's voice.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 00:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh i just wondered, tim. i don't really listen to M83 much. just on youtube. i think some of it is interesting. and i like some of the old/new blends that the guy gets. i think he's often successful at it. but, like i said earlier, i think the french are really good at the 80's.

That third album was very much "so much useless 80s ephemera" but in a very pure way that I thought I might grow to love if I put effort into it. I probably would have listened to it more but in honesty I find it hard to really devote myself to albums like that which I hear only after they're p4k-etc. feted, even if I like them; maybe it's some weird sense that these albums don't need my opinion </backdoor bragging>

I would like more stuff with that really gauzy atmosphere I suppose, like Bon Iver's "Beth/Rest" only not Bon Iver??? Also AMO1's "Freefall".

Tim F, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 00:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

never really been able to get the hang of M-83. i liked a few songs off dead cities once upon a time, especially "run into flowers", but the album bored me, overall. subsequent flirtation with anthemic 80s pop left me cold, though the sounds were often beautiful.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 00:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

not that anyone asked...

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 00:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

how can anyone not like 'kim and jessie'

iatee, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 00:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

its woozy small hours music, too much coke, walled into yourself. i want you to love me, you send me a coffin of roses. i guess avalon is a fair reference, but it misses something. its music influence by avalon in the same way that life sometimes feel like its being refracted through movies. it feels cinematic inasmuch as sometimes it feels like you get lost in being somebody else in the dark. bringing a cigarette to your lips, watching the smoke billow up through the lights in the club. this is it though, the glassy surfaces. everything is an image. how hard it is to feel things sometimes. its not empty though, its just half numb, playing itself playing at someone else.

i think this is a pretty strange album though. it doesn't help to just tell people that it sounds like steely dan, or late pet shop boys or al steward whatever. you think we're idiots? we've heard year of the cat. the album works differently, yeah its heavily influenced by those artists, but it seems really obvious that it wants to use them in a different way than to try and emulate them, or make an album in that tradition. there's a sense in which some music is "about" loving other music, or maybe not even loving other music but about the experience of other music. and so the way the appropriation of that language is functioning seems entirely different to how people want to characterise it here. that is, the comparative criticisms sort of miss the point entirely. yeah things are off, the guy has this wobbly croak of a voice, everything sounds glassily self contained, obsessively neat but weirdly off. a strange lens, the perspective doesn't work. something. but its not a failure at emulating Hats or Gaucho. it directly recalls those records, as records. as sound worlds that can be only re-accessed in this artificial way. a set of surfaces, images, movie scenes.

judith, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 00:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

nabisco OTM

oops

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 00:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

wow plax! i am going to listen to this album now.

horseshoe, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 00:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

how can anyone not like 'kim and jessie'

Yeah, that passes Scott's quality material test.

timellison, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 00:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

then again, though that's a good deal of what kaputt is doing (reflecting the surfaces of ostensibly superficial things as means of addressing & communicating alienation), it's hard to square this reading with lyrical thrust of "suicide demo for kara walker".

re: judith

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 00:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

mr. editor, "the lyrical thrust", iyp.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 00:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

suicide demo for kara walker is the result of a weird experiment w/ kara walker where she wrote the lyrics

judith, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 00:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

its woozy small hours music, too much coke, walled into yourself. i want you to love me, you send me a coffin of roses. i guess avalon is a fair reference, but it misses something. its music influence by avalon in the same way that life sometimes feel like its being refracted through movies. it feels cinematic inasmuch as sometimes it feels like you get lost in being somebody else in the dark. bringing a cigarette to your lips, watching the smoke billow up through the lights in the club. this is it though, the glassy surfaces. everything is an image. how hard it is to feel things sometimes. its not empty though, its just half numb, playing itself playing at someone else.

This is really spot on.

It's not so much that Bejar could never write "More Than This", it's more that he could never write a song from the perspective of the singer of "More Than This", only from the perspective of someone sitting in the audience watching Ferry sing it and wishing for a moment that that could be him, and at the same time knowing it's an impossibility.

Tim F, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 00:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

destroyer simply sounds magnificent, full stop. i could compare and argue all day long but i think i'll just chill with my eight month old and spin the 'kaputt' vinyl....just...one more time today.

just one more time.

omar little, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 00:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

or someone whose sensibility isn't very close to Ferry's but sympathizes with his yearning.

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Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 00:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah that's a really good way to put it.

Tim F, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 00:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

looool omar

⚓ (gr8080), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 00:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

Bejar isn't interested in direct expression; his singing voice, by nature and design, isn't designed for it. Like a lot of songwriters he's stumbled into a host of deflectionary techniques.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 00:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

Ferry's rather different. Even during high Roxy he always convinced me that he cared, which is a little different than convincing me that he wanted to care.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 00:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

suicide demo for kara walker is the result of a weird experiment w/ kara walker where she wrote the lyrics

there you go then. w/e the source, though, those lyrics don't square with the overall themes you describe. placing it as the album's centerpiece and ending with two tracks that suggest a wrestling with america and history does give kaputt a strange spin overall. bejar invites attempts to read the whole as having concerns in common let england shake, but doesn't seem to deliver on that score. don't intend that as a slam.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 00:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

Strange that Destroyer's cover of "Leave Me Alone" is a misfire -- the sentiment is so Bejar-esque but something about the straightforwardness of the lyric and chords unsettles him enough to produce a tentative performance.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 00:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

the score bejar delivers on is smooth epic sounds to which i can vibe

omar little, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 00:54 (2 years ago) Permalink


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