Thank you! It's actually much nicer to have someone say they like my pics than to say nothing. So don't admit defeat for not being eloquent, you just made me feel rlly happy and proud! Which is a good thing to do.
The Cornish on the Mousehole Harbour one - Nadelik Lowen ha Blydhen Nowydh Da (oh god I had to check the spelling about 10 times when I did it) - it just means Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. It's like the one Cornish phrase that pretty much every Cornish person knows. It was seriously freaky - when I got down to Mousehole last year, literally I was walking to my cottage (well, not my cottage, but the one I was renting) and the first art shop I walked by had that card hanging up in the window! That was the strangest thing ever, but it felt really nice.
x-post yes. Cornish is apparently like Welsh spelled phonetically. Which should come in useful if I ever have The Welsh Dream ever again.
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Monday, 6 February 2012 16:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
always liked your stuff WCC, best of luck with further shows etc.
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Monday, 6 February 2012 16:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
Also that Cornish text thing has just reminded me. I planned on entering the Gorsedh this year in the calligraphy section. Now I just have to find (or write, though I'm still v wonky) a piece of Cornish text to write and illuminate - I think it would be really fun to do a more modern take on illuminated manuscripts. Obviously Celt it up a bit and make it harken back to the Cornish Monasterial style but of course it will come out looking like one of my drawings.
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Monday, 6 February 2012 16:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
I love these. I always wonder how people colour paintings like this - on the computer I assume?
― Laughing Gravy (dog latin), Monday, 6 February 2012 16:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
Remember seeing your stuff in the dream machine I think it was, in East Eulwich, and wanting to buy one. But i was poor then so couldn't :(
lex totally otm about rethinking rainbows
― Upt0eleven, Monday, 6 February 2012 17:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
East Eulwich! I wish I'd had a show in East Eulwich, that sounds like a fabulous place! ;-) The Dream Machine but it was so inept at actually selling stuff, but it was kind of more an exercise in having a hangout place than a real shop anyway.
Rethinking Rainbows - isn't that an album or a musical or something? ha.
But that's the best part about learning another language, that idioms and the way that terms are constructed make you use a completely different part of your head, and it's really good for thinking of things in a different way, and stretching your head. I absolutely loved it when I found the word Kammneves, it was just like... whoa. Broken heavens, how do you even... yeah.
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Monday, 6 February 2012 17:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
You already know I love your art, WCC, but I feel I should pop my head in and repeat: I love your art.
Pictures with thick black outlines and nice colours always make me want a 20ft stained glass version.
Very much this.
― emil.y, Monday, 6 February 2012 17:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
My brother was always trying to get me to work in stained glass. But, like, I just thought - heat, broken shards of glass, just too much possibility to injure myself.
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Monday, 6 February 2012 17:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
I used to work in Tiffany glass, when I was an undergrad and I had time on my hands and access to a shed with running water. It's messy and burns from the soldering iron are more of a danger than the broken glass even, but it's really rewarding! You'd struggle to get the lettering though, and I do think the words are an important part of what you're doing.
My fave is the Cornish Christmas card. Beautiful colours, so cold and yet so soft.
― Also unknown as Zora (Surfing At Work), Monday, 6 February 2012 17:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
I have said this elsewhere, but your art is amazing. It really makes me happy to see someone I know from the internet make such great work. It always makes me happy when I see a new one of your pictures appear on Flickr.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Monday, 6 February 2012 17:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
I guess Alasdair Gray as well.
― I Can't Give You Any Zing (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 6 February 2012 18:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
Pre-empting KDT, just so I can post this again. This is the best flyer I've ever had for any show of mine (too bad the band broke up!)
― Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Monday, 6 February 2012 18:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
these are nice; i like the similarity to the perry bible fellowship guy's stylecan i assume the watermark/copyright is added digitally and isn't exactly part of the finished piece?
― ELI OWNS YOUR HUSBAND (forksclovetofu), Monday, 6 February 2012 18:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
Wow! That's one mean looking owl.
― fun loving and xtremely tolrant (Billy Dods), Monday, 6 February 2012 18:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
Hello! yes, sorry, real life intruded. Went off to ~art galleries~ yesterday to look at the David Shrigley exhibition with Lex (it was v v funny and left us very giggly afterwards.)
Yes, the copyright is digitally added, but after the whole Elephant In The Room debacle, I don't put any artwork anywhere on the web without my name all over it. Can't be too careful.
Zora, I am so jealous of you getting to make Stained Glass! I love Tiffany Glass so damn much, it's the richness and the colour and the idea of working with actual light to make things glow - you can sometimes do the same thing with digital art, since the monitor itself glows (not so much with LCD screens, that's kind of a loss since CRTs have gone out of favour) but that glowing quality is really important to me. There must be some way of getting text onto stained glass - because I have often seen, for example, bible verses and the like written into stained glass in churches - but I suppose that must be painted on, rather than a part of the stained glass process? I've watched a couple of instructional videos but I'm never quite sure which bits of glassmaking are staining/painting after the glass is made, and which bits are chemical colour mixed into the glass when it's being created. Seems a combination of both.
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 12:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
When is the last day?
― Mark G, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 14:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
I have very much enjoyed seeing these works. Thank you for sharing them.
― pandemic, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 14:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
Last day of what?
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 14:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Mark G, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 14:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
Streatham will collapse in a black hole and be sucked into the sun on 22nd May 2012 when the mayan apocalypse kills us all.
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 14:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
Oh, wait you mean the exhibition that is currently on at Streatham Library?
That ends some time mid next week, I haven't made arrangements to pack it up yet but I'm predicting the last day will probably be next Tuesday or Wednesday.
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 14:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
Ah, righto. Will maybe make it over the far side of Londinium (cf Batman, this week) maybe next week...
― Mark G, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 14:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
Right. So I am continuing with this whole "draw a picture every day while you are unemployed" theme and today I could not decide which of two versions I like better of this. I went to all this effort colouring it in, but right now I'm leaning towards the BW version anyway. Sigh.
I might like the colour version better if I replaced the black with a more vivid colour but nothing I've really tried has worked at all. Except a very bright orange which made it impossible to tell what the rest of it was about.
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 22:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
Ooh, pretty. I think I am enjoying the colour one more, but it might just be my hungover brain tripping out.
― emil.y, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 22:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
I've been feeling a bit blocked lately, and not much like drawing. Which is not unusual, it passes if I find some new inspiration.
I think one of the things that stops me is this kind of FEAR, that I have to do something ~important~ with these things, rather than just drawing for fun and kicks. Maybe I should start a new thread for this, and open it up to other creative types rather than selfishly talk about it on a thread that's all ME ME ME. But I need to talk about this.
I find it really paralysing, this idea that I should be ~doing something with~ all this art. It makes me feel kind of unable to do anything. And obviously it strikes worst when I'm unemployed. Because when I'm employed, all this is so obviously a hobby and something I do for kicks. But as soon as I'm unemployed, this idea keeps repeating itself (both internally and from other people making helpful suggestions) that I should be making a living from this. And that expectation, that should, it's completely paralysing for me. It doesn't make me work harder, it makes me sit staring off into space.
Is it really self defeating? To never want to think about or deal with the whole "should I market/sell/promote these things?" idea. Because it makes me feel really insecure and unhappy, when most of the time I just want to be made happy drawing swirlies. It makes me feel awful, like actually physically awful (worried, anxious, butterfly stomach) when art is something I try to use to make me feel nice.
Oh, STFU and just post some pretty pictures WCC, you're stupid for worrying about this stuff.
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Saturday, 11 February 2012 10:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
In my limited experience, making a living from your own efforts seems to consist of 90 % of hassling people and trying get their attention and being hassled in turn and less creativity than you'd expect or like.
I really hate that kind of work: I'm not business minded or even particularly interested in business details.
The other big minus is you're then under pressure to keep producing and have to give up those fallow periods where you don't feel that creative, but are probably essential for recharging your creative energies and developing new interests and new directions.
So personally I wouldn't be tempted to try to make my creative efforts my living, even if it was viable.
― Bob Six, Saturday, 11 February 2012 12:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yeah, all of that post seems very very OTM and you've hit the nail on the head WRT the discomfort I feel.
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Saturday, 11 February 2012 12:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'm sorry WCC, I guess I said all the wrong things in my last email. :(
I have the same thing wrt my writing. It has become much more difficult to do it since I started hanging out with people who make a living from writing.
If you don't feel like pushing in a moneymaking direction, there's no reason you should.
― Also unknown as Zora (Surfing At Work), Saturday, 11 February 2012 13:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
No, no, don't feel bad! I mean, I brought a lot of that stuff up, because I was thinking around it, so it's obviously been on my mind. And a lot of people have encouraged me to do similar things - and that's the important word, *encourage*.
The problem is completely in my head.
But, like, given the choice between spending 75% of my time doing an awful dayjob and 25% of the time doing the stuff I love - vs 90% of the time chasing people and work and only 10% of the time doing the stuff I love. It's never going to be an ideal situation, so one has to take the less bad option.
I guess it's kind of weird, because I've done it myself to other artists, said things like "that's beautiful - if you put that on a t-shirt, I want one!" which easily gets translated into "that's marketable - you should sell it!" And then it becomes the instant reflex reaction - instead of "that's good, I love it" it becomes "that's good, you should sell it" and then you turn into my mother and my ex boyfriend and all of these people whose attitudes I have found really poisonous towards, I dunno, not even making art, but just enjoying ~lyfe~.
It's a stupid, naive attitude, I know - these things should exist because they're beautiful, no other reason. But I just want to be happy, and worrying about money all the time is the number two happy killer in the universe. (after unrequited love.)
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Saturday, 11 February 2012 14:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
WCC : so glad to see more of your art.
i love the colours and the styling of the text.
the whole t-shirt debacle has clearly kicked you into action ,that and the loss of the soul sucking job you had.
― mark e, Saturday, 11 February 2012 14:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
Are you able/happy to tell us what happened with the t-shirt thing? Just interested in the outcome because stuff like that makes me mad. I wasn't on that board but saw the initial posts about it.
― kinder, Saturday, 11 February 2012 19:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
Oh, it worked out alright in the end! They admitted it, apologised for it, drew up a contract and sent over a quite decent fee. Happy ending all round, it's the kind of thing that gives one faith in the power of the internet (and also that corporations can sometimes behave decently to the little guy.)
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Saturday, 11 February 2012 23:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
Anyway, for some reason my brain this afternoon got it into my head that there was an album called this. And of course there isn't, there's a RH lyric that's a bit similar and a Cocteau Twins ep that's a bit similar but my head was going "who is that by? is it an early Pink Floyd track? argh!"
Not entirely happy with it - I like the trees (though I was worried they wouldn't come out) but I don't like the ripples (though they looked alright in my sketchbook) but it'll do for now. Might revisit the idea later if I get inspired.
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Saturday, 11 February 2012 23:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
So we went to see the Kusama exhibit at the Tate earlier this week (and it was AMAZING, anyone within striking distance of London should totally go and see it if you have eyes) but at the same time, wandering through it, I was struck quite often by - um, I dunno, it sounds arrogant to say "how similar it is" when she is an internationally renowned artist and I'm a bedroom sketcher. But we have similar motifs, we address similar issues, and I came out of the show saying "OMG, I want to paint an Infinity Net all over my walls" (so far I have resisted that urge, but I might get bored this weekend.)
So I had this worry that I was going to come away unduly *influenced* (which is usually a good thing when you encounter another artist who rearranges your mind so that you want to do new things) but more with the fear that my stuff was going to end up looking like her, and not me. So yeah, I drew this.
(Click through to Flickr for the quote/explanation if you are not familiar with the metaphor from the Bell Jar)
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Friday, 17 February 2012 08:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
where in london is "like ripples on a shallow lake"? (if indeed it is a sketch of an actual place rather than an imagined one.) i'm unused to seeing such jagged drawings from you!
god, i loved the bell jar so much when i read it at age c.13, and i have totally forgotten that metaphor.
(cosign the kusama exhibition 100%)
― if u leave imma crank wu-tang in my black matte truck (lex pretend), Friday, 17 February 2012 08:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
i think A GIANT BROUGHT DOWN BY WEEDS would make an excellent woodblock print.
― Jurgis Rudkus // Dick Butkus (Pillbox), Friday, 17 February 2012 08:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
Ripples On A Shallow Lake is not anywhere in London, there are no hills like that in London!
it's based on teenage memories of upstate NY, the Finger Lakes and Lake George, those incredibly narrow lake valleys with super-steep hills above them, all covered in pine forest. That's not English terrain at all. (Though there are parts of Scotland that look like that, so maybe it's ancestral pining.)
It's funny coz the Bell Jar is one of those things that I read when I was 15 and I was like OMG THIS IS SO AMAZING THIS IS THE STORY OF LIFE, TEH UNIVERSE AND EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!11ELEVENTY but as I grew up, I started to think, actually, no, this is kind of teenage and melodramatic and I should really grow out of it. But now I'm thinking I should revisit it as an adult, because there are things in there that are quite profound.
I wish I'd bought the book of the Kusama exhibit now, TBH but I bet it was like £40 or something.
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Friday, 17 February 2012 08:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
WCC (ack almost used ur real n8me), this is for you when yr feeling bloecked:I love your arts
― dream words & nightmare paragraphs from a red factory in a dead town (Abbbottt), Friday, 17 February 2012 14:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
also god jeez that fucking fig tree has to be the #1 most haunting metaphor of my life
― dream words & nightmare paragraphs from a red factory in a dead town (Abbbottt), Friday, 17 February 2012 14:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
How did you learn to do this stuff digitally?
OK, the first half of that video I was all "WTF this doesn't even apply because this is not MY PROBLEM, this is not what I'm facing!!!" but the second half of it was just YES, this is the solution, even if that is not the problem, this is totally the solution and I need to remember this. And I'm usually pretty god with that whole disciplined "churn until stuff comes out" because I know that's the only answer. So thank yOU!
I don't really remember how I learned how to do this stuff digitally. My housemate back in NYC bought or pirated a copy of photoshop back in about 1994/5? And I read the manual and just started mucking around with it. Mostly through trial and error, admittedly. I'd scan in my drawings and at first I'd just want to colour them in, then it was, clean them up and colour them in, and then it was, do half the actual drawing in photoshop - but I still don't even know what half of photoshop does! (I only learned Select - Modify - Smooth like, last year!) I don't use my bamboo pad, either, which I should, I've just got so used to working on a Mac track pad. Just trial and error, mostly and seeing what works.
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Friday, 17 February 2012 16:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
Not that anyone asked - or indeed cares - but I'm actually in the middle of working on a piece right now, and I remembered that I took a photo of it last night to post to twitter to go "LOL" at. So I'm actually going to document each stage as it happens, to show the stupidly convoluted process I go through to get from start to finish.
Anyway. I am drawing Jonny Greenwood because I am a sad Radiohead fan, yet, oddly, I have never even attempted to draw him before because he has such a strange face.
So here is the first step. You can see I've sketched out everything in pencil first (the paper is actually white, it's just a shitty iPhone picture.) Because I'm drawing a human face, I put down a grid first, to plot things out on and make sure everybody's nose is in its right place and people don't turn out like Picasso paintings, which is what happens if I don't grid it out. If I'm drawing a building or a person, I usually use some kind of grid, but if I'm not, I'll do the pencil work freehand. (Swhirlies are always freehand, there's really no way to grid out a swhirly, even with Fibonacci's help.)
Despite the grid, I've still managed to get the eye on the left to be bigger, and lower on his face than the eye on the right (you should see how bad it would have been if I didn't use the grid) but I'm really happy that I've caught his melancholic expression, so I'm going to ink it as it is, and correct that ~eye problem~ in photoshop (if only Thom could have been so lucky) so I'm going to Rolf Harris off out of here and be back in a couple of hours to show you the next stage and see if you can tell what it is yet...
wheeee, isn't this fun? (probably not for anyone but me)
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Friday, 17 February 2012 17:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
step-by-step behind-the-scenes stuff re: art (and music, etc) is always interesting imo
― if u leave imma crank wu-tang in my black matte truck (lex pretend), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
... waitin' for the ink to dry* ...
(just to give you some idea of the timescale of these things)
The next step is gonna be painful, it's gonna be sort of like I imagine it's like for women who post pictures of themselves without makeup for the first time ever, or things like that. I don't like people seeing these things until they're perfect so this is slightly embarrassing.
*If I don't give the ink good drying time, I'll get horrible smears when I go to take the pencil off with a kneaded eraser. Which I can fix in photoshop, but I'd rather not.
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Friday, 17 February 2012 18:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
I've now inked it and scanned it. THIS IS NOT SO BAD! Like, it's pretty ugh and I feel weird about posting it to the internet like this, but... there's no massive inking errors (like when a line jerks off somewhere it shouldn't be, or the two halves of a curve don't meet up) and I haven't smeared anything or spilled wine all over it
The only thing that really bugs me is those eyes, but that is what photoshop is for.
But I will spend hours playing with it (first off, boosting the contrast so the lines are perfectly black, then cleaning out the felt tip marks) and possibly erasing the whole face and starting again digitally (I do this embarrassingly often) and this will probably take up the rest of my night, tra la la, this is totally my idea of fun.
(I've also decided to do the background separately, so that will be another job, repeating the process for the pattern that will go in the background, I want to do a sort of halo of plaited tree branches, Alfons Mucha stylee.)
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Friday, 17 February 2012 18:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
Love seeing this sneak peek into the creative process of your work!
Stupid question maybe but the (c)KDT thing is only on the digitized images right?
― HO WBEAUTIFUL IS THE GENTLYFALLINGBLOOD? (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 17 February 2012 18:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
some flyer/poster/sleeve work I did over the last few years.
pretty much done with this style, movin on to other stuff recently
― max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 17 February 2012 19:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
and I haven't smeared anything or spilled wine all over it
haha OTMI don't like working digitally but it's so much easier to fix mistakes and not have my Pigpen nature ruin a picplus sometimes the results look so crisptbh I like sketchy grid Greenwood much better, what an uncanny shot of his sad wan essence
― dream words & nightmare paragraphs from a red factory in a dead town (Abbbottt), Friday, 17 February 2012 19:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
whoa wait I didn't realize you were hand-inking these and then scanning themfuck you're a good inker!!
― dream words & nightmare paragraphs from a red factory in a dead town (Abbbottt), Friday, 17 February 2012 19:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
I think that's my new inspiration for interior decor
― The Most Typical and Popular Girl Rider (Crabbits), Monday, 1 October 2012 16:55 (7 months ago) Permalink
Not included: the man with the ginger strawberry blond ponytail.
― Sexy Data Scientist (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Monday, 1 October 2012 16:59 (7 months ago) Permalink
Well I don't often find them at the thrift store, I'll say that.
― The Most Typical and Popular Girl Rider (Crabbits), Monday, 1 October 2012 17:02 (7 months ago) Permalink
They're apparently two for a penny in the thrift stores of Cornwall.
― Sexy Data Scientist (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Monday, 1 October 2012 17:06 (7 months ago) Permalink
Can I show you my favorite wacky psychedelic piece of bs I found at a thrift store? It's this embroidered flower tiger, hidden under plexiglass
― The Most Typical and Popular Girl Rider (Crabbits), Monday, 1 October 2012 17:07 (7 months ago) Permalink
Wow, that tiger, too, he is trapped in my dreams.
― Sexy Data Scientist (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Monday, 1 October 2012 17:16 (7 months ago) Permalink
I like that pic var 2: liked it when it was b+w, now the colours suit it yeah!
― Mark G, Monday, 1 October 2012 17:26 (7 months ago) Permalink
and now my phone has stopped crashing...
not the last one, obv, the cliffside one, you know
― Mark G, Monday, 1 October 2012 17:28 (7 months ago) Permalink
But here, have a sea arch. Orkney has a sea arch pretty much every 500 yards or so.
― Sexy Data Scientist (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Monday, 1 October 2012 17:37 (7 months ago) Permalink
I like your new no outlines stuff.
― The Most Typical and Popular Girl Rider (Crabbits), Monday, 1 October 2012 18:13 (7 months ago) Permalink
It's 100% digital is why no outlines. I kinda miss the thick outlines, I need to scan some of the outliney sketches I did while sitting on sea walls and stuff.
― Sexy Data Scientist (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Monday, 1 October 2012 18:23 (7 months ago) Permalink
I saw this and thought of you:http://www.wqed.org/birdblog/2012/10/10/making-waves/
― Gingham Style (doo dah), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 12:47 (7 months ago) Permalink
That is a really beautiful blog, actually.
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Thursday, 11 October 2012 09:03 (7 months ago) Permalink
random question for people here who go to art galleries/museums and know a ton about them:
what is the formal name for the info cards that accompany photos/paintings/sculptures/whatever?
i need to find an standard or example of one for a project i'm doing, if anyone could hook up a photo i'd be very grateful.
― Raymond Cummings, Monday, 3 December 2012 02:47 (5 months ago) Permalink
I think they're called placards. I called up a museum once hoping they'd tell me how to make them properly but they said they just did whatever on foamcore. This was one of the MOMAs.
― Philip Nunez, Monday, 3 December 2012 06:20 (5 months ago) Permalink