MADONNA - MDNA (2012)

Just watched the video for the first time. Song's okay, video's better. I'm not sure why there's breast-feeding, but it's pretty funny. When did old people start enlisting young people to keep up appearances? Neil Young/Pearl Jam...Aretha/George Michael...Neil Young/Devo--how far back does that go?

Bing Crosby/David Bowie

Frank Sinatra/Nancy Sinatra

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Nice! Sincerely wondering this in terms of pop music, though. I don't think any of the '50s guys--Elvis, Berry, etc.--ever actually engaged in this sort of thing, at least not on record, unless I'm forgetting something; they did get career boosts from things like Lennon's Rock and Roll Revival show. Mitigating factors aside, Frank and Nancy might be a good starting point.

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Anyway, while Nicki Minaj doesn't need the visibility, I'm sure MIA gets more out of Madonna than vice versa.

oh man, i totally disagree with that
unless you mean how much she got paid

I meant something more like who's a bigger help to whom in terms of widening her current audience. Just guessing. I was probably thinking of my grade 6 class: 100% of them know who Nicki Minaj is, two-thirds know Madonna, and I'd be surprised if even half have heard of MIA. But that's a pretty narrow perspective, so you're probably right.

I see no way in which Madonna gets more out of an MIA guest appearance than MIA gets out of guesting on a Madonna single

(IOW forks=crazypants)

dan are you seriously suggesting that the woman who won an oscar for best song in a movie and who rapped with kanye and jay at the grammys while she was pregnant is desperately in need for exposure?

Madonna hasn't had youth/critical culture impact since like the mid-nineties. Nicki and MIA have FOUR BARS apiece on this track. They are there as a sap to those two audiences; no one is gonna listen to that madge track and say, hey I should check this MIA chick out!

Mid-90s? Hung up came out in 2005

lol, i had to google it.
yeah i guess you're right there but it looks like a burp to me

U r crazy then

okay.

i don't rate much madonna past ray of light really. i'd like to?

Hung up is just super classic to me

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I think we can assume that both MIA and Madonna were happy to help each other, and found this collaboration to be mutually beneficial.

apparently the remix of this track will feature LMFAO, let's debate who's winning there

i hope we can all agree it's not the listening public

dan are you seriously suggesting that the woman who won an oscar for best song in a movie and who rapped with kanye and jay at the grammys while she was pregnant is desperately in need for exposure?

Madonna hasn't had youth/critical culture impact since like the mid-nineties. Nicki and MIA have FOUR BARS apiece on this track. They are there as a sap to those two audiences; no one is gonna listen to that madge track and say, hey I should check this MIA chick out!

You are massively underselling/misunderstanding Madonna's position in pop music. The woman is a still-working pop legend; the appearance of both Nicki and MIA on this are pandering moves to current pop and indie dance audiences but the reason they both said yes* is because IT'S FUCKING MADONNA.

* though in fairness, Nicki would have said yes if it was Diamanda Galas; she seems to be addicted to guest spots

it's also noteworthy these ladies did not just sign up to rap for twenty seconds but walk behind madonna in cheerleader outfits shouting "L-U-V! MADONNA!"

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Gimme All Your Luv has some similarities with Beautiful Stranger and Amazing from the Music album. If the album is kind of like that then I would get more excited it for it.

I do wonder why she is going back to her Bridget Bardot/Truth or Dare pale look though.

the reason they both said yes* is because IT'S FUCKING MADONNA.

lilbro: i agree with you except those were the parts of Music I found most unlistenable

Are you serious? Those were the highlights for me. His more lean production with the electric guitar is why I love that album. A great balance to what would've been a preening, pretentious synth album.

i had to fire up music for the first time in like six years to check but yeah i LIKED the preening, pretentious synth elements!

yeah they were great at the time when she was doing it when it initially released but they can get irksome if not in the right mood. Plus, I do miss listening to Madonna with a guitar/bass/piano/whatever rockist boring instrument every once in a while.

Madonna hasn't had youth/critical culture impact since like the mid-nineties

I'd push that a little forward to include Music, but I basically agree. Which is not an aesthetic judgement on the the two or three albums that followed, and I love lots of music made by people who are on the other side of their moment or whatever you want to call it.

The other side of their moment usually equals to young pop fans who can't fathom listening to someone past the age of 25.

i don't rate much madonna past ray of light really. i'd like to?

try listening to it? that's be a start

The other side of their moment usually equals to young pop fans who can't fathom listening to someone past the age of 25.

ehhh these people need a slap but it might not be worth the effort as they'll learn anyway

dan are you seriously suggesting that the woman who won an oscar for best song in a movie and who rapped with kanye and jay at the grammys while she was pregnant is desperately in need for exposure?

does anyone under the age of 40 who isn't a music critic or film critic or industry flack pay attention to these awards

uh, lex I did? I liked Music fine but it felt flimsy; American Life was terrible and after two listens Hard Candy left zero impact. Hung Up was, what, '08? I only vaguely remember it; it was clearly not for me.

mh: everyone who buys us or people or star or whatever the hell sure does. She was watermelon big at the grammys, it got a lot of press. the oscar thing with rahman was huge international news for like a week.

iirc Music was one of the last commercial bootleg discs i bought from a guy on the street

do people listen or buy music based on those, though? I dunno, I guess they might

Did she just slip on the bleachers?

MIA giving the finger! that was the highlight for me anyway.

Better than LMFAO and the guy on the tightrope I guess

feel like 25 year old me woulda had a conniption fit at cee-lo and madonna singing like a prayer at the superbowl. ten years later the thrill is gone.

WOLD PEACE lol

LMMFAO

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prescient

supposedly the network tried to blur the finger a second late!

yep, it was clear

Better than LMFAO and the guy on the tightrope I guess

Potential mixtape title: Man on W.I.R.E.

They should have blurred LMFAO instead

wow. she sucked.