scott, u are one of my alltime fave ilx posters, just btw
― Mordy, Sunday, 5 February 2012 15:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
― scott seward, Sunday, 5 February 2012 15:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
thanks!
that ton steine sherben clip is great, by the way. they had a very hip look.
― scott seward, Sunday, 5 February 2012 15:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
love the klaus & klaus act.
― Mordy, Sunday, 5 February 2012 15:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
For me Kaputt is the musical descendant of albums like Steely Dan's Gaucho, Boz Scaggs' Silk Degrees, and Leonard Cohen's I'm Your Man, but filtered through a modern sensibility where sounds of the 70s and 80s are used for textural or atmospheric purposes rather than as basic songwriting tools.
You don't think Gaucho is written with atmosphere in mind????
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Sunday, 5 February 2012 16:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
i really hate the part of ilx where people try to kill threads by flooding with youtubes or jpegs. Its childish, just like the reactions on the poll thread.
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Sunday, 5 February 2012 17:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
I do, but with Steely Dan, the songwriting and musicianship come first and then sounds and textures. On Kaputt, the texture is the primary concern.
― Moodles, Sunday, 5 February 2012 17:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
the form of one generation of artists becomes the content of the next
― Iago Galdston, Sunday, 5 February 2012 17:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
kabutt vs let england shit
― Lamp, Sunday, 5 February 2012 17:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
Mass turdmantic vs 4 poop demos
― dave coolier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 5 February 2012 18:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
this is otm. Steely Dan just pays a lot of attention to every detail - lyrics, music, harmony, texture, sequence, it all gets the fine-toothed comb. Kaputt seems to have begin with a structure & feel idea and put all else afterward.
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 5 February 2012 18:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
boy, we've got a real algonquin round table around here
― Iago Galdston, Sunday, 5 February 2012 18:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
also in a rare moment of agreement between me and the Algerian Goalkeeper, I like Scott a lot but posting a bunch of youtubes that share the word "kaputt" is nagl imo
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 5 February 2012 18:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
it's a good luck imo
― flopson, Sunday, 5 February 2012 18:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
metal poll
― buzza, Sunday, 5 February 2012 18:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
i really hate the part of ilx where people try to kill quality threads by flooding with youtubes or jpegs oh wait
― dayove cool (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 5 February 2012 18:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
I like kaputt but lex is right, awarding the best album award to pj harvey would have been a chance to deliver a slap in the face to canonical indie rock
― dave coolier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 5 February 2012 18:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
yes the indie rock domination of the ilm polls has gone on FAR too long
― tebow gotti (k3vin k.), Sunday, 5 February 2012 18:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
the arguing about popular indie rock albums domination of ilm however
― dayove cool (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 5 February 2012 18:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
a million lols
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Sunday, 5 February 2012 18:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
^^^
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Sunday, 5 February 2012 19:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
Beyonce is #1 in our hearts.
― lag∞n affiliated (The Reverend), Sunday, 5 February 2012 19:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
in my defense, i've been on ilx for ten years and i've had to put up with all kinds of crazy shit from you crazy old ladies. so bite me.
and, to be honest, i only went on youtube to look up kaputt cuz i didn't know what it was. see, i was trying to LEARN. but then i got sidetracked by german kaputt-mania. i'll go back and check out destroyer songs. just to see what the hubbub is about.
― scott seward, Sunday, 5 February 2012 19:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
destroyer's kaputt....so damn good.
― omar little, Sunday, 5 February 2012 19:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
Scott Seward Image Bombings/Threads, The Complete Guide To
― ⚓ (gr8080), Sunday, 5 February 2012 19:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
scott,
― omar little, Sunday, 5 February 2012 19:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
Scott is the best at youtube bombing imo
― dave coolier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 5 February 2012 19:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
okay, this stuff isn't bad. i like the music. it's produced well. and i'm very picky about 80's retro stuff. most people are bad at it except for dance music people. i would definitely listen to this if it were all instrumental. the 20 minute thing is nice too. still wish i could find that stuff by ilm fave Studio on cd. i wouldn't know where to find it. i should check discogs. THOSE guys were amazing to me. this is way less amazing, but still okay. though it does kinda make me want to go listen to source material. but that's okay too. its a decent homage.
PJ's album was my favorite new record of the year.
― scott seward, Sunday, 5 February 2012 19:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
do i even do that that much anymore? when was the last time i even did that?
― scott seward, Sunday, 5 February 2012 19:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
i mean i did go a little crazy at first but i think i got over it for the most part.
i forget how sensitive people are about destroyer. i remember that one legendary thread. hoo boy that thing is a doozy. for the longest time i couldn't tell if it was real or not! thought it was an elaborate prank.
― scott seward, Sunday, 5 February 2012 19:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
I don't know who/what Destroyer is, so Let England Shake is better
― eating a sausage as I type this (admrl), Sunday, 5 February 2012 19:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
idgaf about any other destroyer album but that didn't stop be from realizing that kaputt was indeed the #1 album of 2011
― ⚓ (gr8080), Sunday, 5 February 2012 19:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
gr80 you might take a listen to both Thief and Streethawk: A Seduction. They are very fucking good. I do not generally rep for much indie but that dude was on a tear for those two (tho they don't have the chill-vibe synth-wash that I suspect is a big part of kaputt's appeal for you but still I must speak up for those records, they're really good)
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 5 February 2012 19:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
Kaputt seems to have begin with a structure & feel idea and put all else afterward.
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, February 5, 2012 10:27 AM (55 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this is true, but let england shake is similarly defined by a distinctive, unifying texture. hazy, abstract and seductive vs. bright, sharp and ringing. main difference is that PJ harvey pushes so much harder at and farther into the sound she's chosen.
listened to these back to back a couple times this morning, i can't say i don't understand the appeal of kaputt. perhaps as a product of its relatively limited ambition, it provides a very consistent and comfortable listen. it's soothing, quietly sexy and nothing really juts out to wreck the flow. i could see it "working" quite well in a number of contexts. let england shake is quite challenging by comparison and does have its ups and downs. "all and everyone" is a bit dull, for instance, and "england" gets on my nerves. it nevertheless strikes me as a vastly superior piece of work, overall. heartstopping songs, real political & artistic ambition, and a dramatically unusual sound palette (where kaputt mostly sound like bejar hanging out in his bathrobe, taking stoned tips from kurt vile & ariel pink).
i had LES in at #6 on my albums ballot, and in retrospect, i did it a serious injustice.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Sunday, 5 February 2012 19:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
xpost i checked out Rubies last week and was kinda feeling it-- will get to those two next, thanks for the pr0 tip
― ⚓ (gr8080), Sunday, 5 February 2012 20:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
oh england oh america
― eating a sausage as I type this (admrl), Sunday, 5 February 2012 20:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'm w/ gr80 in that kaputt is pure genius, destroyer's other stuff, eh, seems okay
― iatee, Sunday, 5 February 2012 20:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
ok i'll listen to pj harvey as soon as i listen to the gucci tape that just dropped
― ⚓ (gr8080), Sunday, 5 February 2012 20:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
i guess i mean that PJH takes this core sound/texture and shapes it, pushes at it, makes it do a bunch of different things. bejar is more content to let his sound be, to let it set the terms. neither approach is intrinsically superior, but i get a good deal more out of let england shake.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Sunday, 5 February 2012 20:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
destroyer, on this thread:
i took a walk and threw up in an english garden
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Sunday, 5 February 2012 20:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
I think Destroyer newcomers who are taken w. the new one should give Your Blues a go next.
― Simon H., Sunday, 5 February 2012 20:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
why are these two albums being compared?
― tylerw, Sunday, 5 February 2012 20:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
i wonder
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Sunday, 5 February 2012 20:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
ts: 'the laziest river' by destroyer vs. 'ride across the river' by dire straits
― mookieproof, Sunday, 5 February 2012 20:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
I would like to remind ilm that I made a much better poll kaputt vs. sound of silver
― iatee, Sunday, 5 February 2012 20:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
I had some conflicting feelings when listening to Let England Shake. As with Aerial a few years ago, the album felt a little rudderless to me. I think her writing is formally experimental, but experimentalism had previously been grounded in a modernist aesthetic and this is not. I needed to know what it WAS grounded in and what the purpose was of this experimentalism and abandonment of tradition.
I've begun to think of it as some kind of new classical music that succeeds, at least in this case, on the basis of its discipline!
― timellison, Sunday, 5 February 2012 22:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
(Just to clarify, by "abandonment of tradition" I mean genre tradition. I don't think her music is very based in genre.)
― timellison, Sunday, 5 February 2012 22:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
From the little I've heard the PJH rec dives inside traditionalism to rescue a 'radical' edge that has been seemingly lost, which is a tactic sometimes used by new classical composers, no? xp
I do need to hear this.
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 5 February 2012 22:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
i can't say i don't understand the appeal of kaputt. perhaps as a product of its relatively limited ambition, it provides a very consistent and comfortable listen. it's soothing, quietly sexy and nothing really juts out to wreck the flow. i could see it "working" quite well in a number of contexts.
FYI you are working with a really bad definition of "ambition" here.
― Tim F, Sunday, 5 February 2012 22:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
man i still can't really get down with bejar's vocals, and there are large portions of kaputt that are a yawner for me and that i have problems with,
but that "sounds, smash hits..." couplet is just all-time. doesn't really scan but perfect. how did he do that?
― dell (del), Sunday, 12 February 2012 07:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
he read a magizine, iirc
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Sunday, 12 February 2012 07:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
Played Kaputt in the car today, every song is a jam.
― Tim F, Sunday, 12 February 2012 11:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
http://sickmouthy.com/2012/02/14/lets-talk-about-destroyer/
― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 20:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
this thread inspired me to go back to all of PJ Harvey's albums on Spotify
she fucking owns
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 20:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
great post, mouthy.
― ⚓ (gr8080), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 20:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
Obviously this is a drunken thread so this seems extraneous, but Kaputt is very clearly very American and Let England Shake is very clear very English. I like both, a lot, but I prefer PJ's.
― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Sunday, February 5, 2012 5:05 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
but destroyer isn't american...
this entire episode definitely made the US posters seem more parochial than the UK ones, which i hadn't thought was the case before
― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Sunday, February 5, 2012 5:38 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yes in a lot of ways kaputt feels very... canadian to me. don't ask me to explain how or why though. peace
― the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 21:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
Nick that's a wonderful post
― Flag post? I hardly knew her! (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 21:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
Thanks dude.
― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 07:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
Dudes.
― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 07:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yeah, just read the blog - nice one sicko, enjoyed it
― The Invisible Superstars (dog latin), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 08:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah, same here. loved reading that (though i'm still in camp shake).
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 08:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
what's that a link to
― desperado, rough rider (thomp), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 10:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
hm.
― desperado, rough rider (thomp), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 10:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
can i just take a moment to laugh at whoever compared pj harvey to ts eliot
― desperado, rough rider (thomp), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 10:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
hey they both have initials
― dayove cool (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 10:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
So does JFK.
― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 10:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'd been wondering why I'd suddenly got lots of people following me on Twitter.
― The Invisible Superstars (dog latin), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 11:01 (1 year ago) Permalink