so tell me, why is Kaputt better or worse than Let England Shake?

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Now I'm listening to Destroyer. Sounds like a fridge.

Sounds Of The Baskervilles (dog latin), Sunday, 5 February 2012 03:23 (4 years ago) Permalink

do they drink shakes in england?

buzza, Sunday, 5 February 2012 03:25 (4 years ago) Permalink

Shittest thing about both these bands part 1: Neither of them are bands.

Sounds Of The Baskervilles (dog latin), Sunday, 5 February 2012 03:25 (4 years ago) Permalink

Shittest thing about these bands pt.2: Destroyer are not the greatest living thrash metal band that ever walked

Sounds Of The Baskervilles (dog latin), Sunday, 5 February 2012 03:26 (4 years ago) Permalink

Shittest thing about these bands pt.3: PJ Harvey has never been remixed by DJ Harvey, AFAIK

Sounds Of The Baskervilles (dog latin), Sunday, 5 February 2012 03:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

Have they released that app that stops you going on the Internet when you're drunk yet?

Sounds Of The Baskervilles (dog latin), Sunday, 5 February 2012 03:36 (4 years ago) Permalink

i've listened to kaputt a few times now and it's an incredibly cold record imo

this is its magic and beauty

plax (ico), Sunday, 5 February 2012 07:03 (4 years ago) Permalink

For me Kaputt is the musical descendant of albums like Steely Dan's Gaucho, Boz Scaggs' Silk Degrees, and Leonard Cohen's I'm Your Man, but filtered through a modern sensibility where sounds of the 70s and 80s are used for textural or atmospheric purposes rather than as basic songwriting tools.

Moodles, Sunday, 5 February 2012 09:18 (4 years ago) Permalink

Obviously this is a drunken thread so this seems extraneous, but Kaputt is very clearly very American and Let England Shake is very clear very English. I like both, a lot, but I prefer PJ's.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Sunday, 5 February 2012 10:05 (4 years ago) Permalink

but destroyer isn't american...

this entire episode definitely made the US posters seem more parochial than the UK ones, which i hadn't thought was the case before

first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Sunday, 5 February 2012 10:38 (4 years ago) Permalink

Ah, I'd forgotten I started this thread.

Parochial? Not really feeling the Destroyer album, but are you seriously suggesting some underhand conspiracy on the part of western-atlantic voters?

Sounds Of The Baskervilles (dog latin), Sunday, 5 February 2012 10:52 (4 years ago) Permalink

that's not what "parochial" means

first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Sunday, 5 February 2012 10:59 (4 years ago) Permalink

Okay, what do you mean?

Sounds Of The Baskervilles (dog latin), Sunday, 5 February 2012 11:01 (4 years ago) Permalink

well we have better taste, for starters.

⚓ (gr8080), Sunday, 5 February 2012 11:20 (4 years ago) Permalink

It's better because ILX says so. It's official. It's definitely better.

Jamie_ATP, Sunday, 5 February 2012 11:53 (4 years ago) Permalink

Kaputt that is. Obviously.

Jamie_ATP, Sunday, 5 February 2012 11:53 (4 years ago) Permalink

that bonus track on the vinyl which is now also on the cd, "the laziest river" reminds me a little of talk talk around "spirit of eden". there is a lot happening rhythmically and harmonically in that 20 minute song and the best is most of the time bejar does not open his mouth!

alex in mainhattan, Sunday, 5 February 2012 12:34 (4 years ago) Permalink

having now re-listened to Kaputt I will strongly endorse that last point (not re that specific track, it isn't on the CD I have) - if dude really wanted to salute his 80s MOR godheads he should in all seriousness have got someone else to sing

most of it's just not the sort of thing I'm likely to ever busy myself w/ but there are some nice 'Balearic' (I know I know) instrumental parts here and there

for some reason on 'Bay of Pigs' I had the idea of giving it to Underworld circa 'Second Toughest...' and just getting them to use it as a basis for one of their own songs (rather than a cover per se)

bs and 'Why Do You Listen To Frog?' (DJ Mencap), Sunday, 5 February 2012 13:04 (4 years ago) Permalink

this entire episode definitely made the US posters seem more parochial than the UK ones, which i hadn't thought was the case before

lol, if anything, "this entire episode" suggests that certain PJH fans are rather narrow-minded

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Sunday, 5 February 2012 13:33 (4 years ago) Permalink

See u in March, ILX!

flog this poster for moderation (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 5 February 2012 14:15 (4 years ago) Permalink

I can't believe anyone would be so narrow-minded as to dislike these poor underappreciated albums. They should really consider open their minds to new strains of indie.

Matt DC, Sunday, 5 February 2012 14:20 (4 years ago) Permalink

well, narrow-minded as in "unable to tolerate differences of opinion". i could hardly care less who likes or doesn't like either album.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Sunday, 5 February 2012 15:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

scott seward, Sunday, 5 February 2012 15:46 (4 years ago) Permalink

scott seward, Sunday, 5 February 2012 15:48 (4 years ago) Permalink

scott seward, Sunday, 5 February 2012 15:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

scott seward, Sunday, 5 February 2012 15:52 (4 years ago) Permalink

scott seward, Sunday, 5 February 2012 15:53 (4 years ago) Permalink

scott, u are one of my alltime fave ilx posters, just btw

Mordy, Sunday, 5 February 2012 15:54 (4 years ago) Permalink

scott seward, Sunday, 5 February 2012 15:56 (4 years ago) Permalink

thanks!

that ton steine sherben clip is great, by the way. they had a very hip look.

scott seward, Sunday, 5 February 2012 15:58 (4 years ago) Permalink

love the klaus & klaus act.

Mordy, Sunday, 5 February 2012 15:59 (4 years ago) Permalink

For me Kaputt is the musical descendant of albums like Steely Dan's Gaucho, Boz Scaggs' Silk Degrees, and Leonard Cohen's I'm Your Man, but filtered through a modern sensibility where sounds of the 70s and 80s are used for textural or atmospheric purposes rather than as basic songwriting tools.

You don't think Gaucho is written with atmosphere in mind????

I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Sunday, 5 February 2012 16:46 (4 years ago) Permalink

i really hate the part of ilx where people try to kill threads by flooding with youtubes or jpegs. Its childish, just like the reactions on the poll thread.

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Sunday, 5 February 2012 17:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

I do, but with Steely Dan, the songwriting and musicianship come first and then sounds and textures. On Kaputt, the texture is the primary concern.

Moodles, Sunday, 5 February 2012 17:04 (4 years ago) Permalink

the form of one generation of artists becomes the content of the next

Iago Galdston, Sunday, 5 February 2012 17:32 (4 years ago) Permalink

kabutt vs let england shit

Lamp, Sunday, 5 February 2012 17:39 (4 years ago) Permalink

Mass turdmantic vs 4 poop demos

dave coolier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 5 February 2012 18:16 (4 years ago) Permalink

I do, but with Steely Dan, the songwriting and musicianship come first and then sounds and textures. On Kaputt, the texture is the primary concern.

this is otm. Steely Dan just pays a lot of attention to every detail - lyrics, music, harmony, texture, sequence, it all gets the fine-toothed comb. Kaputt seems to have begin with a structure & feel idea and put all else afterward.

unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 5 February 2012 18:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

boy, we've got a real algonquin round table around here

Iago Galdston, Sunday, 5 February 2012 18:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

also in a rare moment of agreement between me and the Algerian Goalkeeper, I like Scott a lot but posting a bunch of youtubes that share the word "kaputt" is nagl imo

unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 5 February 2012 18:28 (4 years ago) Permalink

it's a good luck imo

flopson, Sunday, 5 February 2012 18:32 (4 years ago) Permalink

metal poll

buzza, Sunday, 5 February 2012 18:34 (4 years ago) Permalink

i really hate the part of ilx where people try to kill quality threads by flooding with youtubes or jpegs oh wait

dayove cool (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 5 February 2012 18:35 (4 years ago) Permalink

I like kaputt but lex is right, awarding the best album award to pj harvey would have been a chance to deliver a slap in the face to canonical indie rock

dave coolier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 5 February 2012 18:37 (4 years ago) Permalink

yes the indie rock domination of the ilm polls has gone on FAR too long

tebow gotti (k3vin k.), Sunday, 5 February 2012 18:38 (4 years ago) Permalink

the arguing about popular indie rock albums domination of ilm however

dayove cool (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 5 February 2012 18:40 (4 years ago) Permalink

I like kaputt but lex is right, awarding the best album award to pj harvey would have been a chance to deliver a slap in the face to canonical indie rock

a million lols

I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Sunday, 5 February 2012 18:57 (4 years ago) Permalink

^^^

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Sunday, 5 February 2012 19:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

Beyonce is #1 in our hearts.

lag∞n affiliated (The Reverend), Sunday, 5 February 2012 19:09 (4 years ago) Permalink

in my defense, i've been on ilx for ten years and i've had to put up with all kinds of crazy shit from you crazy old ladies. so bite me.

and, to be honest, i only went on youtube to look up kaputt cuz i didn't know what it was. see, i was trying to LEARN. but then i got sidetracked by german kaputt-mania. i'll go back and check out destroyer songs. just to see what the hubbub is about.

scott seward, Sunday, 5 February 2012 19:22 (4 years ago) Permalink

How will format effect today's youth digesting of the canon, whatever the canon includes or excludes? I mean I have a cousin who is getting into music and he's 15. He will probably never buy a cd or a record and thinks I'm very weird for collecting record when I could be like him and just download what I want. I imagine him as an example of the future average music consumer. I always thought of the canon as being a package type deal, format and all. What bearing does the canon have on someone who thinks of music as only disposable singles? I imagine very little. I dunno, this probably has nothing to do with kaputt or LES.

JacobSanders, Friday, 10 February 2012 00:10 (4 years ago) Permalink

well, i think that canon has only ever really mattered to the sort of people who attach a lot of significance to the idea that certain types of music more "important" than others, and/or those who wish to have "good taste". people like that tend to look to voices of authority for guidance, sometimes even aspiring to join the ranks of the tastemaking arbiters.

music fans who aren't concerned with those things will probably have little interest in canonical importance or quality.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Friday, 10 February 2012 00:20 (4 years ago) Permalink

i kind of disagree, i think lots of people are or have been concerned with those things! people want to have 'good taste'

D-40, Friday, 10 February 2012 00:23 (4 years ago) Permalink

or see themselves as discerning

D-40, Friday, 10 February 2012 00:23 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeah, i know. i was breaking it down to canon people vs "don't give a shit about a canon" people. not saying that either group is more numerous, and lots of folks are obviously somewhere in the middle.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Friday, 10 February 2012 00:26 (4 years ago) Permalink

probably most people in the middle, tbh

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Friday, 10 February 2012 00:26 (4 years ago) Permalink

deej p much 100% otm so far

i listened to the pj harvey album and realised its that thing i always make my housemate turn off in the kitchen when we are cooking. he doesn't really like kaputt either.

judith, Friday, 10 February 2012 02:13 (4 years ago) Permalink

ah c'cmon, he's just swiping at tangents. grumble, kvetch...

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Friday, 10 February 2012 08:31 (4 years ago) Permalink

man i still can't really get down with bejar's vocals, and there are large portions of kaputt that are a yawner for me and that i have problems with,

but that "sounds, smash hits..." couplet is just all-time. doesn't really scan but perfect. how did he do that?

dell (del), Sunday, 12 February 2012 07:44 (4 years ago) Permalink

he read a magizine, iirc

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Sunday, 12 February 2012 07:47 (4 years ago) Permalink

Played Kaputt in the car today, every song is a jam.

Tim F, Sunday, 12 February 2012 11:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

this thread inspired me to go back to all of PJ Harvey's albums on Spotify

she fucking owns

I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 20:42 (4 years ago) Permalink

great post, mouthy.

⚓ (gr8080), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 20:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

Obviously this is a drunken thread so this seems extraneous, but Kaputt is very clearly very American and Let England Shake is very clear very English. I like both, a lot, but I prefer PJ's.

― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Sunday, February 5, 2012 5:05 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

but destroyer isn't american...

this entire episode definitely made the US posters seem more parochial than the UK ones, which i hadn't thought was the case before

― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Sunday, February 5, 2012 5:38 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yes in a lot of ways kaputt feels very... canadian to me. don't ask me to explain how or why though. peace

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 21:00 (4 years ago) Permalink

Nick that's a wonderful post

Flag post? I hardly knew her! (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 21:12 (4 years ago) Permalink

Thanks dude.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 07:56 (4 years ago) Permalink

Dudes.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 07:57 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, just read the blog - nice one sicko, enjoyed it

The Invisible Superstars (dog latin), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 08:40 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeah, same here. loved reading that (though i'm still in camp shake).

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 08:55 (4 years ago) Permalink

what's that a link to

desperado, rough rider (thomp), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 10:03 (4 years ago) Permalink

this entire episode definitely made the US posters seem more parochial than the UK ones, which i hadn't thought was the case before

hm.

desperado, rough rider (thomp), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 10:04 (4 years ago) Permalink

can i just take a moment to laugh at whoever compared pj harvey to ts eliot

desperado, rough rider (thomp), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 10:34 (4 years ago) Permalink

hey they both have initials

dayove cool (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 10:36 (4 years ago) Permalink

So does JFK.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 10:41 (4 years ago) Permalink

I'd been wondering why I'd suddenly got lots of people following me on Twitter.

The Invisible Superstars (dog latin), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 11:01 (4 years ago) Permalink

4 years pass...

good thread.

a favorite post:

there's an album called hats?!?!

fuck all of you who like it

― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Wednesday, February 8, 2012 6:13 PM (4 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lute bro (brimstead), Thursday, 2 June 2016 23:30 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

i just went through this whole thread again. forgot all about it. tim going full nabisco. lex bringing the hilarity. good one.

scott seward, Friday, 3 June 2016 00:56 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

I'm always about the judith posts in this thread

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Friday, 3 June 2016 03:26 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

you are a judith fanboy. who was judith?

scott seward, Friday, 3 June 2016 03:49 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

oh at some point in the past year i finally listened to the blue nile (indeed, hats) and thought it was really bad

the hallouminati (lex pretend), Friday, 3 June 2016 07:35 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

just another 2 billion verdicts to go and then we can all kill ourselves safe in the knowledge that culture has been logged

japanese mage (LocalGarda), Friday, 3 June 2016 07:45 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

yes why even have opinions

the hallouminati (lex pretend), Friday, 3 June 2016 08:02 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

oh at some point in the past year i finally listened to the blue nile (indeed, hats) and thought it was really bad

― the hallouminati (lex pretend),

I wasn't too fond of it either after my bff Brad recommended it.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 June 2016 10:47 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Hats is cool you guys drool. First album is my fave though.

scott seward, Friday, 3 June 2016 11:46 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

i listened to a few tracks off of Kaputt in honor of this thread last night and, yeah, still no....

he should have asked Superpitcher to produce it. maybe then it would have worked a little better.

scott seward, Friday, 3 June 2016 11:49 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

is disco in the sky the last thing that superpitcher did? he needs to put out an album and save the world.

scott seward, Friday, 3 June 2016 11:52 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

i am legit shocked that alfred doesn't care for hats

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Friday, 3 June 2016 12:38 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

just another 2 billion verdicts to go and then we can all kill ourselves safe in the knowledge that culture has been logged

all this talking is only bravado

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Friday, 3 June 2016 12:40 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

gonna relisten now, Brad, because I gotta write a film review.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 June 2016 13:03 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

there's a double vinyl superpitcher comp that came out last month, looks like it collects a bunch of his singles.

https://www.discogs.com/Superpitcher-So-Far-So-Super/release/8395925

originoo b.i.g. bizkit (brimstead), Friday, 3 June 2016 18:52 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

no "softmachine", though.

originoo b.i.g. bizkit (brimstead), Friday, 3 June 2016 18:57 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

and wow i was not aware that he did a single with Westbam ten years ago

originoo b.i.g. bizkit (brimstead), Friday, 3 June 2016 18:58 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

i just ordered one. impulse buy! though to be honest i'd rather have it on CD.

scott seward, Friday, 3 June 2016 19:12 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

in honor of this thread i'm gonna listen to kompakt all summer.

scott seward, Friday, 3 June 2016 19:13 (3 weeks ago) Permalink


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