Hm, I still think "Coffee's for Closers" is the best thing on here but there's some good stuff. Not sure what to make of the production or some of the stylistic fusions.
Also, this doesn't seem to suggest that this was exactly a commercial failure, at least in the US, although it marked a drop from the sales of the previous albums: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folie_à_Deux_(album)#Weekly_charts
Cork Tree went 2x platinum, Infinity went 1x platinum, and this went gold.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 4 February 2012 19:19 (twelve years ago) link
(Re drop in sales, I'm guessing other people agreed with me about this:
Not sure what to make of the production or some of the stylistic fusions.)
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 4 February 2012 19:21 (twelve years ago) link
it was a total failure commercially, yeah. if you look at the chart performance of the singles, i feel like there's a really clear arc of them doing well on rock radio, then pop radio too, then rock radio kind of abandoning them as 'too pop' and pop radio moving shortly after, so they went from crossover stars to not particularly welcome on either side of the gap in record time.
but yes, amazing album, still listen to it all the time. will have to think about my vote.
― pfunkbo bryson (some dude), Saturday, 4 February 2012 19:26 (twelve years ago) link
"20 dollar nosebleed" is a cool horns & piano pop song
which sort of launches from the style of panic at the disco's pretty. odd / brendan urie guests on that particular track. kind of a neat synergistic fbr moment
― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Friday, February 3, 2012 10:02 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
btw this is bull, it's in the exact same style as the (also great) last song on Infinity, fuck PATD anyway
― pfunkbo bryson (some dude), Saturday, 4 February 2012 19:28 (twelve years ago) link
dude pretty. odd is awesome but okay
― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Saturday, 4 February 2012 19:38 (twelve years ago) link
i mean yeah that last song on infinity had horns and shit, i just feel "20 dollar nose bleed" way more inhabits a beatles-esque pop thing, a mode that panic were also working in at the time
― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Saturday, 4 February 2012 19:41 (twelve years ago) link
i just don't want to give PATD credit for anything, h8 them always
although maybe not as much lately as Gym Class Heroes and Cobra Starship. why is Stump like the only Decaydance alumnus that couldn't score a big pop hit last year?
― some dude, Saturday, 4 February 2012 19:44 (twelve years ago) link
the cobra starship and gym class heroes records that were practically half-written by stump (viva la cobra and the quilt respectively) are both great, incidentally. and the other half of the quilt is written by terius.
― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Saturday, 4 February 2012 19:46 (twelve years ago) link
ok we should stay on the topic of FOB, i like you and don't enjoy seeing you suffer the shame of outing yourself as a Travie McCoy stan
― some dude, Saturday, 4 February 2012 19:47 (twelve years ago) link
dude as soon as both bands disentangled from patrick stump production they became irredeemably terrible
― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Saturday, 4 February 2012 19:49 (twelve years ago) link
dom used to rep hard for this yeah? rip dom. anyway this (and the band) are prob one of my top 10 albums/acts of the 00s
― dayo, Saturday, 4 February 2012 19:54 (twelve years ago) link
dom started the 'infinity on high' thread IIRC
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 February 2012 19:56 (twelve years ago) link
i'm begging you, stop before you say the first Tyga album was 'slept on' (xpost)
― some dude, Saturday, 4 February 2012 20:12 (twelve years ago) link
j0rdan, if you still haven't gotten around to From Under the Cork Tree I will :/ at you.
I mean, Folie a Deux is great and so is Infinity On High (probably better than Cork Tree, esp. at the pop fusion stuff they do here), but it's a three-album-run of greatness. Not two.
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Saturday, 4 February 2012 20:20 (twelve years ago) link
and this will be a tough call.
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Saturday, 4 February 2012 20:21 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i realized yesterday that i still need to do that
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 February 2012 20:21 (twelve years ago) link
:/
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Saturday, 4 February 2012 20:29 (twelve years ago) link
'the ribbon on my wrist says do not open before christmas'
'we only good 'cause you can have almost famous friends / besides, we've got such good fashion sense'
& other histrionic gems.
it's wentz before he toned it down.
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Saturday, 4 February 2012 20:30 (twelve years ago) link
cork tree is cool but it's my least favorite of their albums
― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Saturday, 4 February 2012 20:37 (twelve years ago) link
also it's totally a four album run
can't think of a pop punk album more tightly constructed than take this to your grave
― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Saturday, 4 February 2012 20:38 (twelve years ago) link
I actually haven't heard take this to your grave
Feel free to :/
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Saturday, 4 February 2012 20:40 (twelve years ago) link
― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Saturday, 4 February 2012 20:41 (twelve years ago) link
i still have this on my itunes :S
'what a catch' almost w/o hesitation but now im thinking mb i should relisten to it
― Lamp, Saturday, 4 February 2012 20:42 (twelve years ago) link
Is 'evening out with your girlfriend' worth a spin?
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Saturday, 4 February 2012 20:42 (twelve years ago) link
someday i'll appreciate in valueget off my ass and call you
but for the meantime i'll sport my brand new fashionof waking up with pants on at 4:00 in the afternoon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khb1bmJmhVQ
― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Saturday, 4 February 2012 20:43 (twelve years ago) link
never listened :/
― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Saturday, 4 February 2012 20:44 (twelve years ago) link
just realized that the 'nobody puts baby in a corner' line is "i keep my jealous close / cause" and not "i keep my jealousy cross-court"
also, total thread derail.
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Saturday, 4 February 2012 20:44 (twelve years ago) link
lol @ pete wentz pretending he can sing in that video
― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Saturday, 4 February 2012 20:46 (twelve years ago) link
totally, but i also think it's interesting how the same band that made folie a deux, three albums prior, just really wanted to make a record as good as the get up kids' four minute mile
― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Saturday, 4 February 2012 20:49 (twelve years ago) link
everybody otm about pete wentz's lyrics
'i will never end up like him / behind my back, i already am'
also:
"preach electric to the microphone stand" is a pretty good lyric imo.― dayo, Wednesday, September 1, 2010 6:13 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark
― dayo, Wednesday, September 1, 2010 6:13 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark
― dayo, Saturday, 4 February 2012 20:58 (twelve years ago) link
w.a.m.s is a deep album cut
― dayo, Saturday, 4 February 2012 21:28 (twelve years ago) link
After a couple more listens, you guys are right: this album is actually great. Much more ambitious and sophisticated than Cork Tree. Great vocal performance.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, 5 February 2012 00:55 (twelve years ago) link
amazing perfect classic songs, could vote for any of these:1. "Disloyal Order of Water Buffaloes" 4:176. "The (Shipped) Gold Standard" 3:197. "(Coffee's for Closers)" 4:35
also great but on a slightly lower tier: 4. "America's Suitehearts" 3:3410. "Tiffany Blews" 3:4412. "20 Dollar Nose Bleed" 4:17
good but I have to be in the mood for them:5. "Headfirst Slide into Cooperstown on a Bad Bet" 3:549. "27" 3:1211. "w.a.m.s." 4:3813. "West Coast Smoker" 2:46
don't especially like but still wouldn't skip past if not in a hurry: 2. "I Don't Care" 3:343. "She's My Winona" 3:518. "What a Catch, Donnie" 4:51
― some dude, Sunday, 5 February 2012 01:18 (twelve years ago) link
i was all rmde at the guest appearances at the time but in retrospect it's so perfect for this to be the only album in history to feature both Elvis Costello and Lil Wayne
― some dude, Sunday, 5 February 2012 01:20 (twelve years ago) link
god "Coffee's For Closers" is ridiculous, i feel like not many songs keep up that kind of relentless pace of hook after hook for over 4 minutes
― some dude, Sunday, 5 February 2012 01:34 (twelve years ago) link
Totally. This must be OTM, btw, since I never heard any of these songs until today!:
if you look at the chart performance of the singles, i feel like there's a really clear arc of them doing well on rock radio, then pop radio too, then rock radio kind of abandoning them as 'too pop' and pop radio moving shortly after, so they went from crossover stars to not particularly welcome on either side of the gap in record time.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, 5 February 2012 01:50 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah. That's really accurate. It sort of baffles me that pop radio had space for something like 'Arms Race' or 'Mmrs'
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Sunday, 5 February 2012 02:29 (twelve years ago) link
And shortly before that, the hey day of pop-punk - Good Charlotte, sum41, etc.
this is the best FOB they ever did, sort of crushes me that it wasn't the massive massive MASSIVE moneymachine chart hit it deserved to be. love everything on it except for "W.A.M.S" and "west coast smoker". the five-song run from "the (shipped) gold standard" through "tiffany blews" kills me every time. have a hard time picking between "i don't care", "(coffee's for closers)", "27" and "20 dollar nose bleed". but $20 just for the hell of it.
"This Ain't a Scene..." kind of turned me off.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, February 3, 2012 11:41 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
so insane.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Sunday, 5 February 2012 03:03 (twelve years ago) link
"FOB they" = "thing FOB", or something
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Sunday, 5 February 2012 03:04 (twelve years ago) link
I'm downloading Infinity now.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, 5 February 2012 03:13 (twelve years ago) link
infinity and folie are weird in that they both offer up an astonishing pop-crossover attempt right off the bat ("this ain't a scene" and "i don't care") but then tread water for a while and really come into their own only about halfway through (with "thnks fr the mmrs" and "the (shipped) gold standard"). is it that they think the fans expect the more generic stuff and frontload with it for that reason, or that they know they're badass enough to hold their best shit for the home stretch?
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Sunday, 5 February 2012 03:54 (twelve years ago) link
kind of think you're alone in regarding the lead singles as some of the best things on the albums, and i definitely don't understand your view of the running orders in general (although FAD does get really great at the halfway mark)
― some dude, Sunday, 5 February 2012 04:22 (twelve years ago) link
"America's Suitehearts" probably could've been big since it's the closest they ever came to rewriting "Sugar, We're Going Down" but god that terrible video
― some dude, Sunday, 5 February 2012 04:25 (twelve years ago) link
kind of think you're alone in regarding the lead singles as some of the best things on the albums...
― some dude, Saturday, February 4, 2012 8:22 PM (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
well, me and whoever picks lead singles
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Sunday, 5 February 2012 04:52 (twelve years ago) link
you can't even say 'critically underloved' bcz there are people like Maura Johnston etc who've consistently repped
Who apart from Maura/Al (& that ex-Idolator/current-Village Voice kind've crew), critic-wise, repped for this? FoB/MCR/etc seemed like such a huge critical blind spot for the Pitchfork umbrella*, and it's a shame that they're likely to undergo some sort of Hall & Oates**-style period of neglect before getting their dues.
* twentysomethings disdaining "teenage" music, etc** good reference point for Patrick Stump, actuallly
― etc, Monday, 6 February 2012 09:24 (twelve years ago) link
I repped for it but got onto the album too late to pitch to pitchfork; and I'm guessing scott p would have been conscious about running a late review and what that would have been perceived to mean, if I had pitched anyway.
― Tim F, Monday, 6 February 2012 09:34 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i mean i was one of the 6 voters the album got in Pazz & Jop in '08, which is more votes than a lot of albums got but by no means a major groundswell, and of course you have to play the 'what if' game with an album that dropped in mid-December
― some dude, Monday, 6 February 2012 12:08 (twelve years ago) link
also one of the other voters (not Tim) writes for Pitchfork! but i really think they never would've run a review no matter who pitched it when, that's how they roll for better or worse
― some dude, Monday, 6 February 2012 12:10 (twelve years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Friday, 10 February 2012 00:01 (twelve years ago) link
come togethercome apartonly get lonely when you read the charts
― difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 2 October 2019 10:12 (four years ago) link
never the same person when i go to sleepas when i wake upas when i wake up
― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Friday, February 3, 2012 8:21 PM (seven years ago) bookmarkflaglink
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 12:11 (four years ago) link
follow this disorganized religion of my headand we'll never get through customs, let's just take off again instead
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 12:19 (four years ago) link
hi y'all this is the best album ever made
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 4 May 2020 19:35 (four years ago) link
AGREE
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 4 May 2020 19:53 (four years ago) link
as soon as we hit the hospital i know we’re gonna leave this town (we’re never gonna leave this town)and get new passports and getgetgetget out, getgetgetget out nowwwwww
― difficult listening hour, Friday, 5 March 2021 22:43 (three years ago) link
YES OTM
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 6 March 2021 00:52 (three years ago) link
damn gonna need to put this on soon
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 6 March 2021 01:24 (three years ago) link
weird coincidence, I put FOB on shuffle for the first time in many months at almost the exact time of this revive
― stimmy stimmy yah (Simon H.), Saturday, 6 March 2021 01:34 (three years ago) link
but DON'T let the DOCtordon't let the DOCtor iiiiiin
― uberweiss, Sunday, 20 March 2022 02:28 (two years ago) link
butterfly BANdage but don’t WORRRRYYYYY
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 20 March 2022 03:13 (two years ago) link
when he walks into the roomthe walls lean in to listen
surfedout brainwaves flick back and forthlike old headlightssniffing model glue again
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Sunday, 20 March 2022 13:12 (two years ago) link
i'm a loose bolt (loose bolt)of a complete machiiiiiinewhat a match: i'm half-doomed and you're semi-swee-eee-eee-eeeeeeeeet
― difficult listening hour, Sunday, 20 March 2022 20:26 (two years ago) link
DETOXJUST TO RETOX DETOXJUST TO RETOX
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 20 March 2022 22:00 (two years ago) link
say my name and his in the same breathi dare you to say they taste the samelet the leaves fall off in the summerand let december glow in flames
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 13 January 2023 15:21 (one year ago) link
there should be way more songs in the world that sound like "headfirst slide"
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 13 January 2023 15:32 (one year ago) link
alas, only one
it’s still incredible every time i listen to it
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 13 January 2023 15:36 (one year ago) link
so boyyyyyycotttt loooooove
― sault bae (voodoo chili), Friday, 13 January 2023 15:45 (one year ago) link
if home is where the heart is then we’re all just fucked
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 13 January 2023 16:12 (one year ago) link
soon as we hit the HOSpiTAL i know we’re gonna leave this town
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 13 January 2023 18:41 (one year ago) link
Tell that boy I'll leave you alone, nowLike a stove I'll turn my love downSupra and the prophet are both in the business of souls^^love this part
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 13 January 2023 18:43 (one year ago) link
YOUR PUPILS! (big)BIG! (roll)THEY'RE ROLLING LIKE DICE!
― difficult listening hour, Sunday, 26 February 2023 23:16 (one year ago) link