Grimes/Claire Boucher thread

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from what I understand, this is out on either the 21st of this month (Arbutus, US and Canada) or the 12th of next month (4AD, most everywhere else). and I hope that previous comments did not imply that I lack enthusiasm. I love Visions a lot, but despite all of the pop aspirations it feels like it was built to inspire obsession from a limited audience.

fffv, Saturday, 4 February 2012 03:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

She definitely has the charm and hooks to pull to a wider audience but her songwriting could use some editing... many times it does sound like the songs drift without any specific purpose and as a whole it drags.

Moka, Saturday, 4 February 2012 05:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

For legit consumers, Visions streaming in its entirety

Pauper Management Improved (Sanpaku), Monday, 13 February 2012 21:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

Can't. Don't have the bandwidth!

*cries*

Why couldn't this have been available 2 weeks ago when I still had all you can eat broadband?

White Chocolate Cheesecake, Monday, 13 February 2012 23:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

Given there's nothing on the album I'm bored by, I think editing would inevitably mean reducing the idiosyncratic facets I'm charmed by.

Best thing about Grimes: she has such disinterest (contempt?) for lyrical content as she chirps through her baby birdsong. She might as well be the electropop version of Juliana Barwick..

Pauper Management Improved (Sanpaku), Monday, 13 February 2012 23:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeh this is excellent

nathey, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 16:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

"skin" is very pretty, but a bit insubstantial, tho i guess "insubstantial" is kinda the point. soft, sweet, ghostly. don't hear no afx, but enya sure. and i don't hate enya, but i don't love this. got bored before the 6 minutes were up.

"oblivion" is much more immediate. the nothing lyrics are kind of selling me, "look into my eyes and la la la la la, see you on a dark night". that's great! love the synths at the end, too.

want more songs like "oblivion"

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 16:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

Be A Body (侘寂) is totally going to be the next single, right?

dunno, but it's v nice. enya influence is even more prominent at the beginning, but j-lo too? love the shift to dark propulive beats halfway through.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 17:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

For lex:
Grimes namechecked a similar/sympatico artist Mozart's Sister whose voice might be more to your liking:

Pauper Management Improved (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 17:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

^ Also of Montreal.

Pauper Management Improved (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 17:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm gonna bookmark this thread for when I've topped up my data bcuz "electronic Juliana Barwick" = WCC catnip if I wasn't onboard already (which I have been since Halfaxa)

White Chocolate Cheesecake, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 17:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

so she made this on garageband, huh?

the third kind of dubstep (Jordan), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 17:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

Mozart's Sister is also v. good!

They have a three track EP called DEAR FEAR from last year. Maybe they have other stuff too? Not sure.

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 18:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

yaaaaaarg, just listening to her stuff now (i'm always way late with everything) and enjoying it a lot. i just took a break from some incredibly bureaucratic shit at work to watch this video and i don't..think..i can go back to work again today

tmi but (Z S), Friday, 17 February 2012 21:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

Skin reminds me of a mix between Enya and Natalie Imbruglia's smoke. Am I too off?

Moka, Friday, 17 February 2012 23:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

Really can't believe we have come to a point where evoking the names Stacy Q and Lisa Lisa & Cult Jam results in a positive fucking review. I give up.

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Friday, 17 February 2012 23:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

I love this album cover!

dream words & nightmare paragraphs from a red factory in a dead town (Abbbottt), Friday, 17 February 2012 23:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah, is awesome. post in the best of 2012 thread!

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Friday, 17 February 2012 23:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

after being completely underwhelmed by anything i heard of hers before this record (i'm kind of with lex on the voice thing), i'm really enjoying "oblivion" and "circumabient"

Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Saturday, 18 February 2012 01:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

Fucking adore this record.

Funny that Alex in Montreal referred to Braids upthread as this album strikes me as something of an electronic equivalent, simultaneously tuneful and spacious and drifting (whereas I think Juliana Barwick is a bit of a misleading point of comparison).

"Skin" esp. is wonderful.

Tim F, Saturday, 18 February 2012 06:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

i gave this a few more tries and while there's nothing i actively dislike about her music, neither is there anything hooking me back in - it's all vaguely "interesting", also very unmemorable and lite.

if u leave imma crank wu-tang in my black matte truck (lex pretend), Saturday, 18 February 2012 11:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

cf julianna barwick who hooked me straight away, and gazelle twin whose music i absolutely adore sinking into. grimes has no gravitas.

if u leave imma crank wu-tang in my black matte truck (lex pretend), Saturday, 18 February 2012 11:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

the cover of this record is really really bad. if you're going to rip off the sacred bones design scheme (which i really love), at least do it well!

jonathan - stl, Saturday, 18 February 2012 15:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

ripoff Sacred Bones serifs + some Cyrillic lorem ipsum + some 1994-bad-sci-fi-book-cover graphics + giant in-class notebook doodle-looking thing = a mess and I like it

dream words & nightmare paragraphs from a red factory in a dead town (Abbbottt), Saturday, 18 February 2012 15:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, Tim. The BRAIDS reference was not accidental.

Visions is getting a 4AD release in the rest of the world, but Grimes and BRAIDS and Blue Hawaii a couple of other bands in the same general aesthetic universe were all on the same local label for a few years based out of Montreal.

A bunch of their early stuff is available for download by donation at the Arbutus website, including Geidi Primes and Halfaxa, the first two Grimes albums, and Blue Hawaii's Blooming Summer.

Not that that necessarily implies that they sound *the same* but their music is definitely in conversation with each other.

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Saturday, 18 February 2012 16:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

And 'Skin' continues to be the standout for me - the first Grimes track that's hit me emotionally.

(That's not a backhanded compliment - I love the rest of her stuff, but Skin really gets to me.)

Other standouts: Infinite <3 without fulfillment, Genesis, Oblivion, Vowels = space and time, Be a Body (侘寂). Possibly Nightmusic.

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Saturday, 18 February 2012 16:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

thanks for the links and suggestions, alex!

tmi but (Z S), Saturday, 18 February 2012 16:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

Of the first two Grimes album, I think Halfaxa is a bit more like this one - it's the clear transition to the kind of thing she's doing now, but I love Geidi Primes - it's a little less cohesive, but there's a lot of cool stuff going on.

The Blue Hawaii tape was one of my favourite albums of 2010 - the standout is 'Blue Gowns'. Blue Hawaii's vocalist = the lead vocalist from BRAIDS which should help determine if it's your thing or if you should steer clear - (aka this is a warning for Lex)

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Saturday, 18 February 2012 16:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

The Geidi Primes cover is also really lovely:

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Saturday, 18 February 2012 16:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

Halfaxa got another similar weird "skull" motif cover everywhere else, but in Canada we got a photo negative of a topless woman with a bunch of purple.

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Saturday, 18 February 2012 16:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

#!

Just found this - apparently there was a re-release of 'Halfaxa' with this track tossed in the middle of it and I never found out? This is lovely.

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Saturday, 18 February 2012 16:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

laurel halo did an awesome remix of that track

Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Saturday, 18 February 2012 16:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

And naturally it's not available anywhere but Europe. Dammit. (The Original. Not the Remix)

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Saturday, 18 February 2012 16:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

if you're going to rip off the sacred bones design scheme

well, it does "rip off" the sacred bones design scheme (general layout, fonts), but also pushes beyond it in interesting ways. and the drawing is wonderful. one of my favorite album covers of the year so far.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Saturday, 18 February 2012 18:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

Skin is killing me. Be a Body (侘寂) too. all of them really.

I think the album really shows post-everything/Internet music doesn't have to just be some senseless exercise in referencing. like there's the Mr. Bungle/Girl Talk-style, 'yo look what just threw in' approach, but it can be done more selectively. like anything is available, but then you can pick out a finite set of elements with more purpose. this feels really cohesive and harmonious to me, like there's a logic to the aesthetic system she creates, and real emotional resonance (really gets to me actually). could probably work out some cultural meaning in this beyond just 'hey post-modernism waka waka'

Chris S, Saturday, 18 February 2012 19:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

cf julianna barwick who hooked me straight away, and gazelle twin whose music i absolutely adore sinking into. grimes has no gravitas.

― if u leave imma crank wu-tang in my black matte truck (lex pretend), Saturday, February 18, 2012 11:15 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The (excellent) Frankie Rose album is much more in Julianna Barwick territory than this is, IMO.

Tim F, Sunday, 19 February 2012 11:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

She comes across as tremendously likable in the p4k interview I think - love how she invokes all this hi falutin stuff almost inevitably to have a go at herself, and she seems to anticipate a lot of the criticisms that people might want to throw at her without seeming like that's what she set out to do.

Tim F, Sunday, 19 February 2012 11:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

Boucher, I mean.

Tim F, Sunday, 19 February 2012 11:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

Smoke weed, listen to Mariah Carey. Hilarious, and awesome.

MikoMcha, Sunday, 19 February 2012 11:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

she seems like an excellent person! but i'm not hearing anything compelling in her music.

lex pretend, Sunday, 19 February 2012 15:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

Frankie Rose is a vocalist, songwriter and musician living in Brooklyn, NY. She was formerly an original member of acclaimed garage rock acts Crystal Stilts, Dum Dum Girls, and the Vivian Girls.[1]

erm i'll stick with julianna barwick thanks :o

lex pretend, Sunday, 19 February 2012 15:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

her background really does not inform the new album at all

call all destroyer, Sunday, 19 February 2012 16:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

haha lex how do you ever manage to listen to gang gang dance without vomiting everywhere.

Tim F, Sunday, 19 February 2012 20:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

i carefully avoid finding out information about them that might turn me off.

no, if i google a new act and p4k AND stereogum are on the first page of results then i consider that a sign. dunno what the fuck "brooklyn vegan" is but with a name like that it can't be a good thing.

lex pretend, Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

rofl

illuminati girl (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

man i wish i could not know what brooklyn vegan is

Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Sunday, 19 February 2012 23:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

So obsessed with this album. Like I start to get really, really excited when I hear the piano-based second chorus in "Genesis" and that feeling doesn't really dissipate for the rest of the album.

Tim F, Monday, 20 February 2012 10:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

genesis was played yesterday morning on 6 music.

having seen the album artwork i was very pleasantly surprised as it was not what i expected at all.

sounded ace.

mark e, Monday, 20 February 2012 10:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

glad to see other people liking this so much. was kinda surprised to see some people so meh on it tbh (I mean yeah different strokes - but this is easily turning out to be album of the year so far for me)

Chris S, Monday, 20 February 2012 11:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

To be fair "Genesis" is by far the most cute tune on the album, there are some darker bits that go halfway to matching the cover.

Though in some ways gothstep feels so prevalent as the default move for artsy electro chicks that there's something unexpectedly refreshing-feeling about the combination of eerieness and intermittent cutesiness on Visions.

Tim F, Monday, 20 February 2012 12:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

It doesn't happen more often with women musicians. You're imagining things.

o ok wow i'm convinced thanx

dyl, Friday, 27 June 2014 02:03 (1 month ago) Permalink

yeah grimes has written at length about how she is constantly patronised by dudes thinking she doesn't know what she's doing as a producer or that she doesn't know anything about musical equipment

ginuwine's cousin (monotony), Friday, 27 June 2014 02:30 (1 month ago) Permalink

oh yeah, that's totally an issue. i just think that the backlash against this song is a separate issue and i don't think there is anything inherently sexist about hoping her new album is more similar to her last album than to a skrillex album. it seems outrageously condescending to like, not criticize something you don't like because you think the artist's autonomy is so fragile it must be nurtured and supported at all costs.

on another note, i agree with monotony that i think her new album will sound totally different from both this single and anything she's released in the past. i hope to be surprised by her new album and i expect to be.

Treeship, Friday, 27 June 2014 02:55 (1 month ago) Permalink

It's gonna be children of men jams crazy

Sufjan Grafton, Friday, 27 June 2014 03:19 (1 month ago) Permalink

i just think that the backlash against this song is a separate issue

Right. I get that people might be taken aback by a style shift as dramatic as this one, but the way some of the pushback has been phrased is the same as I've seen with other female artists—especially the ones who are active on social media. All these fans flock to them very quickly and then get really possessive and creepy about every move they make. Can I cite examples? Not really. It's just a tone I've picked up by following Marina & The Diamonds and Charli XCX and Betty Who and Sky Ferreira and MØ and whoever else and seeing the fawning messages of support turn when something they don't like happens.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 27 June 2014 03:32 (1 month ago) Permalink

yeah that sounds plausible. people are generally more vicious, abusive, and condescending when they discuss famous women than when they discuss famous men. but would these be the true fans though? i think there is probably also a contingent of (young) people who love grimes so much, and base part of their identities on this fandom, that the idea of her going mainstream feels like, personally threatening. this is how it's always been with cult figures, their fans are possessive.

Treeship, Friday, 27 June 2014 03:43 (1 month ago) Permalink

Well to be fair, if you're going to make an argument about gender and it's role in the reception of musicians by their fans, you better have more in your arsenal than personal anecdotes and ~creepy feelings. Behind the scenes, yes, women aren't considered to be equals in the music business in 2014. However, that's a separate issue. Brian Wilson was recently taken to task by fans for working with people they deemed not worthy. Does that signal a trend in people trying to diminish the choices and will of people over 65? The original assertion is really reaching for the stars.

Cousin Slappy, Friday, 27 June 2014 03:59 (1 month ago) Permalink

yeeaaaah I dunno. big fan of Visions but Go is pretty disappointing imo.

dmr, Friday, 27 June 2014 04:47 (1 month ago) Permalink

did video surface of her other 2 new songs performed at governor's ball? I love "go," but she's explicitly said it's different because she wrote it for Rihanna.

Captain Maximus, Friday, 27 June 2014 15:58 (1 month ago) Permalink

Well to be fair, if you're going to make an argument about gender and it's role in the reception of musicians by their fans, you better have more in your arsenal than personal anecdotes and ~creepy feelings.

god i love this. if you want to make claims about sexism, better have a DAMN good case, because if those accused of sexism aren't on message boards, trust that a public defender will be appointed.

da croupier, Friday, 27 June 2014 16:06 (1 month ago) Permalink

I answered my own question and found vid of another new song

sounds really good. couldn't find the other though

Captain Maximus, Friday, 27 June 2014 16:55 (1 month ago) Permalink

Like something from the Nation Records roster.

panic disorder pixie (Sanpaku), Friday, 27 June 2014 22:36 (1 month ago) Permalink

pls list 5 of the 50 million songs that do the handclaps-instead-of-hi-hats thing

NI, Saturday, 28 June 2014 04:02 (1 month ago) Permalink

normally I am the first to jump on the "it's worse for female musicians" argument but this, I think, is universal. the black keys got it pretty bad this album cycle. arcade fire. the weeknd.

katherine, Saturday, 28 June 2014 04:11 (1 month ago) Permalink

pls list 5 of the 50 million songs that do the handclaps-instead-of-hi-hats thing

beyonce - single ladies
kanye west - power
baauer - harlem shake
rihanna - birthday cake
big sean - dance (a$$)
nicki minaj - stupid hoe
juicy j - bandz a make her dance
tyga - rack city
travis porter - bring it back
soulja boy - donk
azealia banks - jumanji
jamie foxx - number one
the weeknd - the fall

not to mention like 90% of new orleans bounce & a ton of other club tracks from the past 20 years

Captain Maximus, Saturday, 28 June 2014 19:21 (1 month ago) Permalink


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