Poptimists get into ...METAL?!

wait a min, is that Ned on the cover of the Cauldron album?

cannot wait to hear that full christian mistress album. the two songs i've heard so far are stellar.

i pre-ordered it like 3 months ago

george it looks like the poptimists aren't interested :(

You shouldve linked to this thread when Uncle Acid placed on the countdown

i did (i think) but maybe pop fans just aren't interested in the bogeyman called metal?

Cher Lloyd - Sticks + Stones
Ghost - Opus Eponymous

Next to each other on my albums ballot. There's lots of great stuff in this thread. Pop / metal seems like a really natural crossover.

probably a reaction against harsh vocals that long term metallers have got a bit fed up with without it going backwards to lame 80s glam pop metal stuff.

Maybe "poptimists" don't consider themselves poptimists (or realize there's no such thing?) Anyway, I'm not sure whether people consider me a poptimist or not, but I just wanted to mention that, just a couple years ago, people would give me hell on ILM's rolling metal thread whenever I complained that such and such band (or metal in general, then) "wasn't catchy enough," since (this is more or less a direct quote I think) "hooks haven't been important in metal since the '80s." Anyway, I'm glad lots of metal (and Rolling Metal) wound up coming around to my way of thinking. And I'm on record already as liking a lot of metal posted on this thread (and also on record as liking the Pistol Annies album, fwiw).

I also think I was fed up with vomit-style vocals before lots of other metallers around here were. (And I used to catch hell about that too!) Did like (and write about) that Jex Thoth album back when it came out, though. And that sort of thing (Blood Ceremony, Devils Blood, etc.) has only gotten better since, to my ears.

if its good music then it doesnt matter if its growling or screeching or singing as long as it fits the music really. Im not a fan of death metal or heavy rawk 80s style vox. With the odd exceptions of course.
but when all the music has the same vox it does get very boring quickly.

it might be a very basic thing to say but some things just sound good and some don't. And to another person it may be the opposite.

Well, I'd say one positive side effect of more audible/comprehensible/not-merely-ugly-and-"brutal" vocals is that some metal seems to be (I'm crossing my fingers anyway) turning slowly back into a music with actual songs, not just a sound. Songs you can actually tell apart, and remember when the album's over. Maybe to some people they never went away, and other people might not care. But to me, it's a healthy development.

^^word

i think the reason people hated pop in metal was because it reminded them of 80s pop/glam metal, a lot of this newer stuff isn't like that. So now they have a new reference point and think 'hey this stuff isnt that bad after all'. Of course purists will hate it, but purists usually only listen to music thats ancient anyway as newer stuff isnt as pure or something.
in short, fuck them.

but there's room for all. I love atmospheric stuff. I love good riffs. I do not think metal should be only "classic verse chorus verse" ( i hate those indie ppl i know who think all music should be britpop). It shouldn't be only 1 or 2 kinds of anything.

I interviewed Emile Sande last week. I told her I was disappointed when I listened to her album and found out that 'Breaking The Law' wasn't a cover of the Judas Priest NWOBHM classic.

She didn't know what I was referring to but she admitted that her interest had been aroused slightly.

lol I was hoping for the same thing when I saw her album's tracklist.

Not exactly pop but the intro for this is veeeery Bark Psychosis

http://youtu.be/Vb01CfEdkGI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb01CfEdkGI

Have I succeeded in getting other people into Midnight Odyssey? YES.

i keep thinking of posting things but they would be more suited for a "hey avant garde noise freakos get into...METAL?!"

did someone post an ulver video yet or is that still exiled from metal town

or actually anything off of last years devin townsend album. pop people should really dig into latter day devin stuff.

The one Hammers of Misfortune song I heard sounded like Big Country (this is not a bad thing in my book btw)

i am mostly alone in this obv but i was really disappointed in this most recent hammers of misfortune after really digging them up until now.

you should start that thread jjj

"hey avant garde noise freakos get into...METAL?!"

I sort of expected the Wolf People album to be a great uniter but then no one seemed to really notice it.

Wolf People are no Powerwolf.

tim f did you play these yet?

I just wanted to mention that, just a couple years ago, people would give me hell on ILM's rolling metal thread whenever I complained that such and such band (or metal in general, then) "wasn't catchy enough,"

I think "people" in this phrase is really just ornery old me

thinking really hard lately about the latest retro wave in metal, which I think much of this stuff counts as - Ghost, Devil's Blood, my own favorite In Solitude, and also the new one by RAM which is excellent Hall of the Mountain Grill x Sad Wings of Destiny stuff: I think there's a fair amount of good songwriting in it, and generally less of the nostalgia-retro impulse that makes me dislike neo-thrash as much as I do. Feel like some of this stuff - especially Ghost and In Solitude - manage to sound sort of of-another-time without coming off irritating and romantic about it, which is a hard trick

naturally me being me I hope no crossover at all occurs & no new converts are gained

Are there many good metal vids out there? I stopped following just as web2.0 was kicking off so I have no idea. Is it literally just goths in churches or do they have better stuff than that?

I don't know if Red Fang's video's are "good" but they are certainly "fun" (in a very beery way):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQPfQvLIseA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VufilzHKTqk

i hear whiney's working on something abt this tbh http://i.imgur.com/zi7hd.gif

I think "people" in this phrase is really just ornery old me

I actually had somebody else in mind, believe it or not. (And I had my ornery moments, now and then.)

Are there many good metal vids out there?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GadSyHS6ow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8-zehtCs7U

I don't know if Red Fang's video's are "good" but they are certainly "fun" (in a very beery we receive money from pabst way)

i hear whiney's working on something abt this tbh

― dave cool, Friday, February 3, 2012 9:18 AM (2 hours ago)

some of the coolest news I've heard yet! Thanks!

in solitude are great too

chuck have you heard the jpop metal that j3ff t is a big fan of?

I'm not sure what J-Pop Metal that would be. I saw the Babymetal video that got passed around on Facebook last year, if that counts, but otherwise I've heard way more K-Pop than J-Pop, and what I've heard hasn't been very metal.

i suppose its a bit more computer game/anime metal but jeff can tell you more(i cant stand it)

I believe pfunkboy is asking about a band called Blood Stained Child. They're definitely different - a sort of anime death metal combo? Not easily described.

i was more thinking of the stuff i alerted jeff to via a blog i read. I think that stuff is even cheesier than blood stained child. some of its instrumental anime power metal (with anime artwork) i call it lolita cosplay metal to annoy jeff (and he cant really argue with those descriptions!)

like this kind of thing
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-pK7junLlELE/TyG6dM3R-VI/AAAAAAAAHHE/o4qm-FDNXGM/s512/acov_tid164522.png

yes that's the album cover for Ryu-5150 – Symphonic Touhou V

god only knows what it sounds like.

I saw Blood Stain Child (who I kept getting mixed up with Old Man's Child, who I always used to mix up with Old Man Gloom, who I actually liked an album by once) on Rhapsody last year; either never got around to it or heard a couple tracks then decided it wasn't worth the trouble -- Not sure which. Are they considered "Visual Kei" (which I'm only vaguely familiar with because I edited a global Billboard story about it once)?

Never heard of that other one.

oh i love Old Man Gloom (isis/converge spin off) bizarrely i got into Isis and Converge via them about a decade ago. They definitely don't fit the premise of this thread!

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-YB4BZ1biNq0/Twx_-RqHUjI/AAAAAAAAG2o/P8J3saSb-vk/s576/acov_tid163074.png

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-I55czN4zKlk/TwduZS_4n8I/AAAAAAAAGyo/l7_Rfbpubb8/s600/acov_tid162627.png

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-B3zIhXzuG-M/TwdUe6S3fwI/AAAAAAAAGyA/t9MyvlIjv9o/s503/acov_tid162752.png

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Oexs7mO6UTA/TwTKcotf3PI/AAAAAAAAGwQ/0UGhQ139WTI/s420/acov_tid162570.png

I'm pretty sure Chuck wouldn't be into any of those. Ryu-5150, Iron Attack, and Kissing the Mirror are all Touhou metal, which basically means instrumental shred covers of songs from this one videogame series. Dragon Guardian is basically insane power metal. And Undead Corporation are melodic death metal in the vein of In Flames. None of which really tracks with Chuck's taste.

Aldious and Asriel, on the other hand, are female-fronted Gothic-ish metal with a heavy dose of pop. I would start there if you are going to start with Japanese stuff. Not the ones that AG is linking to.

Ha, thanks Jeff -- I might have more use for "insane power metal" than "female-fronted Gothic-ish metal with a heavy dose of pop" these days (couldn't really get into the new Lacuna Coil or Nightwish at all -- though my wife says I should ask you guys where I can get the new Gathering with that Octavia Sperati lady) but I'll keep those in mind.

I mean, it's the Japanese version of Gothic, which translates to this:

http://img.karaoke-lyrics.net/img/artists/37316/aldious-225092.jpg

Which I would say sums up what Aldious sound like pretty well.

Myrkur's not a bad choice actually. It's like Tori Amos's idea of black metal

― steely dad (Drugs A. Money)

based on "mausoleum" i'd say it's more lorena mckennit's idea of black metal!

― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Friday, February 10, 2017 6:44 AM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

or dead can dance, i can't decide

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wish i liked myrkur more bc all of these descriptions make her music sound like it's Perfect

I did not even realize Clutch had 12 albums! I'm prob way overdue to tackle their whole discography.

Pick one at random. They're all exactly the same.

I like the *sounds* of Myrkur but a lot of her album sounds half-finished

Yeah I mean I thought the album was a solid B-minus but theoretically Lex wd be looking for different things out of BM than I would

the record i heard was "mausoleum" which is her and a choir in a crypt, no metal at all. i guess it's not typical of her? but it sounds better than when she tries to do the black metal thing.

She should collaborate with Mesarthim on her next album

oh btw the answer to this thread is blood command

maybe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4i1y34IazI

xps- i kinda figured a good groove metal album is some lightning in a bottle shit, and Roots was a 'one good album in an otherwise meritless genre' situation but i'll check some of these out, thx. enjoying Clutch rn, this music makes me lol but in a good way