❀ the cult of: ➥motivational speakers ➥life coaches ➥personal growth gurus ➥new-age charlatans ➥AWESOMENESS FEST

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"i was using my creative abilities from music and from writing... and applying it into something solid... that I could you know, change into money somehow"

... and that thing was internet marketing, rather than yanno, like, being a musician or a writer!? o_0

thanks to denial, I'm immortal! (Trayce), Thursday, 2 February 2012 05:38 (five years ago) Permalink

i love this stuff and am disgusted by it at the same time. it's like cults and capitalism had some weird marriage together. amway is an old fav.

Spectrum, Thursday, 2 February 2012 05:40 (five years ago) Permalink

Trayce, he said: "FAIL! Don't be a writer" and gave a thumbs down, and even blew a raspberry, if I'm not mistaken!

garbage corn fan (Je55e), Thursday, 2 February 2012 05:41 (five years ago) Permalink

Oh ok I was skimming the damn thing, he rambles like a cokehead.

thanks to denial, I'm immortal! (Trayce), Thursday, 2 February 2012 05:41 (five years ago) Permalink

this trend is pretty much the final collective human dreamsong of psychosis before we all lose our identities permanently, rite?

Mordy, Thursday, 2 February 2012 05:43 (five years ago) Permalink

WTF is Zynnia's mysterious tragedy?

Zynnia’s life has been filled with both blessings and also profound loss.

Zynnia’s sole mission and purpose in life is to fully enjoy each moment and live in full awareness and gratitude for the power of now. Zynnia knows all too well, that at any moment tragedy can strike and the whole world you grow comfortable with can be ripped apart.

garbage corn fan (Je55e), Thursday, 2 February 2012 05:45 (five years ago) Permalink

she wanted waffles but they served pancakes instead :'(

Mordy, Thursday, 2 February 2012 05:47 (five years ago) Permalink

I mean

Zynnia has lived through it and she has immense wisdom and maturity from that journey. This is why she very consciously chooses a life of dreams coming true.

"it"?

I'd choose a life where dreams come true, but just this week I dreamed that the copier at work was located at O'Hare airport, so I can't risk it.

garbage corn fan (Je55e), Thursday, 2 February 2012 05:50 (five years ago) Permalink

"I'm in the process of both expanding and contracting my business."

blew my mind

the "intenterface" (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 2 February 2012 05:50 (five years ago) Permalink

lol that was my favorite too.

really stoked you are all here, btw.

⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 05:51 (five years ago) Permalink

amway is an old fav.

see, this is the thing... say what you will about Amway, they may be selling you overpriced toothpaste but at least you're getting an actual product to clean your teeth with.

these dudes aren't even that far removed from people who make money teaching men how to date women (Sean Stephenson has actually dipped in to this), but like, at least with Pick Up Artist gurus, the promise is that dudes will come out less afraid of talking to women-- which is a lot more solid than, "awesomeness!".

⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 05:51 (five years ago) Permalink

also a fan of when zynnia shouts "LIVE VICARIOUSLY THROUGH ME AND MY FAMILY!"

the "intenterface" (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 2 February 2012 05:58 (five years ago) Permalink

lol otm

⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:01 (five years ago) Permalink

OUT: dance moms
IN: video moms

⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:01 (five years ago) Permalink

so far, my favorite Mindvalley product is QUANTUM JUMPING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

just watch this interview Vishen did at the home of Burt Goldman, developer of the Quantum Jumping method:

http://www.quantumjumping.com/special/meet-burt-goldman

1) count how many times they mention money
2) be sure to watch till 6:43. I promise you won't be disappointed.

⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:02 (five years ago) Permalink

i bet you guys are doubling the view count on all of Zynnia's videos right now

⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:03 (five years ago) Permalink

quaNTUM JUmping

the parable is the parable of the (Lamp), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:08 (five years ago) Permalink

two phrases came into his head the first was PLANT YOURSELF the second was Take lots of pictures

the parable is the parable of the (Lamp), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:09 (five years ago) Permalink

heads up, y'all: 2012 will not be the end of the world:

bonus copping of 99% jargon

also:

⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:10 (five years ago) Permalink

⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:11 (five years ago) Permalink

i was forced (along with my workmates) to attend a customized motivational seminar once. we managed to completely sabotage it -- i think i made one of the two seminar leaders cry. i am not ashamed. these folks are the lowest of the low, occupying a totally unnecessary niche opened up by the worst tendencies of corporate culture and "self-actualization" rhetoric.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:11 (five years ago) Permalink

can you remember who the speaker was?????

⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:12 (five years ago) Permalink

"I'm in the process of both expanding and contracting my business."

Trans: "I am in a constant state of starting up new concerns, hoping the IRS wont catch me when I declare bankruptcy on the old ones"

thanks to denial, I'm immortal! (Trayce), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:14 (five years ago) Permalink

xpost

no they were nobodies... folks that were routinely hired by the business school of the university where i worked to provide "teamwork seminars" for different groups. i wasn't in the business school but i guess our boss decided to try them out.

IIRC one of the two speakers was trying to get us to learn about "optimizing teamwork" based on lessons from ... wait for it... people who "successfully" survived the holocaust. i interrupted him and told him that i couldn't leave the seminar because i was being paid to attend but that he would not be continuing this line of discussion.

he looked sort of lost, looked at the other speaker who nodded, then he kind of hung his shoulders and stepped aside for the next part of the seminar.

the head of my department, who arranged the seminar, was mortified.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:16 (five years ago) Permalink

"I personally dont believe 2012 will be the end of the world"

WOW AMAZING!~!!!! D:

thanks to denial, I'm immortal! (Trayce), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:17 (five years ago) Permalink

xpost

i got a lot of high-fives from coworkers the next day, though.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:17 (five years ago) Permalink

IIRC one of the two speakers was trying to get us to learn about "optimizing teamwork" based on lessons from ... wait for it... people who "successfully" survived the holocaust.

oh my god

horseshoe, Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:18 (five years ago) Permalink

guys there are also endless amounts of "video cover letters" from people applying for a job at Mindvalley©

&

⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:19 (five years ago) Permalink

Yeah wow amst that is... I'm gobsmacked.

thanks to denial, I'm immortal! (Trayce), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:19 (five years ago) Permalink

I mean I thought the motivational bullshit day my old workplace pulled on us once was in bad taste (they themed it on "Survivor" the TV show - the week my entire team had been told we were being laid off!).

But that just... wow.

thanks to denial, I'm immortal! (Trayce), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:20 (five years ago) Permalink

amateurist that is A+ work

⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:21 (five years ago) Permalink

yeah. for a guy who was ostensibly a "motivational" speaker he seemed pretty weak and demoralized. i think i ruined his week. i would've felt bad if his presentation wasn't so egregiously offensive.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:21 (five years ago) Permalink

this stuff is just megachurches but on a smaller screen and without the vestigial jesus part

the "intenterface" (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:26 (five years ago) Permalink

Mindvalley staff group photo

⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:30 (five years ago) Permalink

^all of these people live & work in Kuala Lumpur

⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:31 (five years ago) Permalink

the new series "young, attractive, and profoundly flaky" debuts on bravo this saturday!

anyway...

i forgot the other good part of my motivational seminar experience.

one part of the seminar was devoted to a "game" in which we were given note cards, and asked to write--anonymously-- one instance of "positive reinforcement" and one "constructive criticism" of each of our coworkers.

some of my coworkers refused the participate. i should have but decided just to do the "positive reinforcement" part.

some of the "constructive criticism" read like poison pen letters: "beth really has an attitude." "i don't think jeff is any good at his job." "i feel like jeremy is constantly talking down to people."

it made at least one of my coworkers cry. and it ended in a general uproar with us asking the "motivational" speakers for their credentials and wondering aloud how many times they had done this before.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:33 (five years ago) Permalink

so basically, if you see a motivational speaker walking down the street, just go ahead and cold cock him or her. you will do the human race a great service.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:34 (five years ago) Permalink

lol now i want a comedic series based based on motivational speakers in the style of Party Down

⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:39 (five years ago) Permalink

that pic looks like a "yelp elite event"

omar little, Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:39 (five years ago) Permalink

xpost. just getting a total amway vibe from this awesomefest/mindvalley thing. create a culture where you're special (attracting lost souls, of course = easy marks), using gurus to lead you to The Secret of personal fulfillment (making money, somehow), create a fraudulent presentation that being an affiliate will make you lots of it, with only a tiny chance of that happening.

amway's way creepier, but seems like the same basic deal ... deluding poor souls into parting with their money and getting them to shell out more. Mindvalley/Awesomefest seems linked to The Secret somehow. This is actually pretty interesting.

Spectrum, Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:42 (five years ago) Permalink

my friend just got fired from his job working as a lifecoach

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:43 (five years ago) Permalink

rather, working for a lifecoach

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:43 (five years ago) Permalink

lol i was gonna say

⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:44 (five years ago) Permalink

Several people who appeared/starred in The Secret have spoken at Awesomeness Fest

⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:45 (five years ago) Permalink

seminar as placebo effect

omar little, Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:45 (five years ago) Permalink

so much shame in that room...

his hands are a dirty fountain through which lives spurt (contenderizer), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:47 (five years ago) Permalink

part of an email friend got back when trying to get paid for the two weeks before he was fired:

On an practical and business front. Since you were hired on as a subcontractor in the get go and that from the outset we were going to take a look a few months down the road as to how we were to proceed, I feel as though that has come to fruition. And although the review of things did not look like we both thought it was going to, both initially and according to where we were playing weeks before christmas, it happened the way it did. In my mind it occurred and adjusted to suit the situation and position I found myself in (with complete commitment to not doing another thing that looked like it did prior to that moment). Although that might be hard to explain, interpret or understand, things like this happen for some of us and there is a watershed and things change overnight. It did, there's no other explanation or rationale.

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:50 (five years ago) Permalink

holy shit

the "intenterface" (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:51 (five years ago) Permalink

honestly that is the freakiest thing about this phenomenon to me, the way it seems to curdle people's ability to use language properly. a college roommate got really into the landmark forum and it was like she just spoke gibberish all the time suddenly.

horseshoe, Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:55 (five years ago) Permalink

i have a couple of friends who got into landmark forum and invited me to join a writer's group they were putting together, and i realized about three meetings in i was accidentally getting landmarked.

omar little, Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:56 (five years ago) Permalink

this is an odd list

http://www.watkinsmagazine.com/watkins-spiritual-100-list-2016#.Vr3o4ij1Cd0.twitter

Οὖτις, Friday, 12 February 2016 17:38 (one year ago) Permalink

no lag∞n, no credibility

μpright mammal (mh), Friday, 12 February 2016 18:54 (one year ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

http://sebpearce.com/bullshit/

wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 3 March 2016 21:16 (one year ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

fuck guys how did i miss they totally rebranded??

gr8080, Monday, 28 March 2016 01:42 (one year ago) Permalink

A fest for u

μpright mammal (mh), Monday, 28 March 2016 14:16 (one year ago) Permalink

"mind valley" kind of makes me picture this brain with a big chunk missing on top, in the shape of a valley.

human life won't become a cat (man alive), Monday, 28 March 2016 15:55 (one year ago) Permalink

Uncanny mind valley.

nickn, Monday, 28 March 2016 18:36 (one year ago) Permalink

rising_wedge_of_head.gif

Milton Parker, Monday, 28 March 2016 18:55 (one year ago) Permalink

one month passes...

my mom (former Andrew Cohen follower) forwarded this to me, "warning" me that it refers to Cohen's group as a cult (as if I care). She's moved on to some other guy, Thomas something.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 26 May 2016 20:32 (eleven months ago) Permalink

I am fine with not being radically anything tbh

μpright mammal (mh), Thursday, 26 May 2016 20:50 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 3 June 2016 02:46 (eleven months ago) Permalink

i'm pretty sure i've discovered the new snorg girl

Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 3 June 2016 02:46 (eleven months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

technically NSFW photos:

http://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/features/a16297/inside-the-worlds-chicest-cult/

gr8080, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 15:06 (ten months ago) Permalink

Fun article. Feels like it's the inverse of fedora types, defending "traditional" (recent invention) ideas of gender while being blissfully unaware that times have changed and you can't get away with that stuff anymore. They'll probably do less harm with the feminine caring sharing motherhood emphasis than the patriarchys HULK SMASH but they seem to be coming from the same instinct.

barbarian radge (NotEnough), Sunday, 24 July 2016 12:34 (nine months ago) Permalink

http://www.audible.com/pd/Self-Development/The-Code-of-the-Extraordinary-Mind-Audiobook/B01DFKNHI8

05-24-16
"Just a 10 hour advertisement for the $1000 program"

What disappointed you about The Code of the Extraordinary Mind?
It's not truly a program or any sort of "help" book but is, instead, just an advertisement for the paid resources on the authors website. It's like a rap song. He spends the book saying how great and rich he is to gain some credibility to refer you to the paid programs on his website.

What could Vishen Lakhiani have done to make this a more enjoyable book for you?
Offered some of the program, even a shortened version so I could learn something or try his ideas.

What did you like about the performance? What did you dislike?
It goes quickly, his voice is fine.

If you could play editor, what scene or scenes would you have cut from The Code of the Extraordinary Mind?
Most of the anecdotal stories that seem to just be excuses to drop some names to impress the listener. Very little point in the constant stories of all the famous people he's met.

Any additional comments?
This is the most disappointing purchase I've made on Audible. I feel like I just spent the last 3 days in an Amway presentation.

16 of 20 people found this review helpful

gr8080, Monday, 1 August 2016 14:59 (nine months ago) Permalink

Vishen... c'mon man

mh, Monday, 1 August 2016 15:45 (nine months ago) Permalink

five months pass...

Not quite the same arena but the mini-cults of personality that have popped up around certain podcast celebrities and writers is fascinating. They're all sort of Trumpy and paleo and whine about SJWs even when it doesn't seem to have anything to do with their schtick. Random Sam Wang tweet tonight had some guy who immediately started in on "well, you just haven't read Nassim Taleb's argument against GMOs" then repeating himself that you'd understand IF ONLY YOU HAD READ LORD TALEB'S PAPERS.

Sam Harris gets the same "well if only you had READ THIS" veneration and outrage if you point out that basically no one respects his attempts at philosophy. Bunch of schmucks who were on the Joe Rogan podcast have turned this into an entire ecosystem. My favorite are professors who whine about not moving up in academia and blame it on conspiracies against them and being 'too popular with students.'

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 13 January 2017 08:41 (four months ago) Permalink

super otm

goole, Friday, 13 January 2017 17:15 (four months ago) Permalink

ppl are really into trying to find an organizing principle or source of truth to contextualize their decisions and instead of traveling evangelist preachers with road shows we end up with Joe Rogan's podcast and Taleb mocking people for not being swole

mh 😏, Friday, 13 January 2017 18:46 (four months ago) Permalink

I accidentally engaged with Thaddeus Russell because he popped up under something trending a month ago with "drug laws effect white men too, why don't they ever mention THAT when they're talking about incarceration rates huh" and tapped out after he wouldn't respond to "whynotboth.gif"

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 13 January 2017 19:07 (four months ago) Permalink

haha wait I want to know more about nassem talib mocking people for not being swole

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 21 January 2017 07:00 (four months ago) Permalink

https://mobile.twitter.com/nntaleb/status/748232335536037888?lang=en

mh 😏, Saturday, 21 January 2017 14:52 (four months ago) Permalink

he apparently talks about weightlifting and uses it to mock people all the time

mh 😏, Saturday, 21 January 2017 14:52 (four months ago) Permalink

That's some straight up Nazi shit tbh

slathered in cream and covered with stickers (silby), Saturday, 21 January 2017 15:44 (four months ago) Permalink

that is amazing. quel flâneurisme!

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 21 January 2017 18:59 (four months ago) Permalink

ha i forget which thread it's on but i've posted a bunch of these -- searching his feed for "deadlift" is great, every one a gem

goole, Monday, 23 January 2017 18:28 (three months ago) Permalink

Someone should counter-troll asking why he's too much of a wuss to do yoke carries or Atlas Stones.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 23 January 2017 19:25 (three months ago) Permalink


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