Len Wein?! ;askldfj;vauwnpoeiv .qajfasdjahfffffffffuuuuuuuuu
Not that I'm interested in these anyway, but Len fuckin' Wein?! He's terrible!
― Steamtable Willie (WmC), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 15:03 (4 years ago) Permalink
If you want a comic that reads like it could have come out in the 60s he'll be fine.
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 15:04 (4 years ago) Permalink
Parker is not Cooke's character fyi
I'll just stick w/Morning Glories and Locke & Key. They're the only things I've read in the last year that have really been any good.
man this is just insane an odd non-sequitur
― Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 15:08 (4 years ago) Permalink
Len Wein + John Higgins = look folks, we have half the original creative team from Watchmen in EVERY ISSUE!
I think both Darwyn Cooke and Len Wein have done some great comics, but I can't see how anyone thought either of them would be a good choice for a Watchmen comic, since they both predate the deconstruction era (Cooke in spirit, Wein in his actual career) that Watchmen kicked in.
Azzarello probably can do the grim & gritty deconstruction thing, but if his Joker mini (which was an awful attempt to take the Heath Ledger "edgy emo Joker" TO THE EXTREME) is anything to judge by, his Watchmen will have all of the grittiness and none of the humanism of Moore's original.
― Tuomas, Thursday, 2 February 2012 08:47 (4 years ago) Permalink
Just watched the Ultimate cut of Watchmen out of curiosity. The Black Frieghter stuff is jarring and not-that-well integrated, but the added other (live-action) material def helps flesh out the universe a bit, makes the whole thing into a more agreeable shape. Also, I'd forgotten just how perfect Patrick Wilson and especially Billy Crudup are in it.
― Simon H., Saturday, 28 July 2012 20:40 (3 years ago) Permalink
The violence, unfortunate old-age discrepancies (JDM's supposed to be pushing 70?) and awkward dialogue lifting still the principal issues for me. Still a fair sight better (not to mention more fun) than, say, TDKR.
― Simon H., Saturday, 28 July 2012 20:47 (3 years ago) Permalink
did these ever come out then? i was almost going to drag myself to the comics shop for a guilty flip-through but i was afraid my rubbernecking might be mistaken for actual interest.
― big-mammed punisher (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Saturday, 28 July 2012 21:08 (3 years ago) Permalink
Mr. Moore, who has disassociated himself from DC Comics and the industry at large, called the new venture “completely shameless.”
Speaking by telephone from his home in Northampton, England, Mr. Moore said, “I tend to take this latest development as a kind of eager confirmation that they are still apparently dependent on ideas that I had 25 years ago.”
Love you, Alan.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Saturday, 28 July 2012 21:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
you know something is heinous when you're worried about how flippng through it will make you look in the eyes of the denizens of a fuckin comic book store.
― big-mammed punisher (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Saturday, 28 July 2012 21:11 (3 years ago) Permalink
same reason i never picked up Lost Girls
― Nhex, Saturday, 28 July 2012 23:00 (3 years ago) Permalink
― I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 29 July 2012 14:02 (3 years ago) Permalink
love to see how you'd "flip through" a box set of three slipcased hardcovers in the shop tbh
― ¥╡*ٍ*╞¥ (sic), Sunday, 29 July 2012 23:57 (3 years ago) Permalink
one displayed, unboxed
― I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Monday, 30 July 2012 00:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
WHERE THE HECK ARE OUR WATCHMEN?
― Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Sunday, June 25, 2006 9:27 PM (6 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― funny-skrillex-bee_132455836669.gif (s1ocki), Monday, 30 July 2012 01:29 (3 years ago) Permalink
― Nutri Grane (some dude), Monday, 30 July 2012 03:23 (3 years ago) Permalink
That book is why I can't get too worked up over anything DC does with Watchmen.
― LISTEN TO THIS BRAD (Nicole), Monday, 30 July 2012 03:43 (3 years ago) Permalink
Good point, Lewis Carroll had spent 1971-1991 repeatedly fucking Moore and his close friends over before he took his revenge, gr8 analogy
― ¥╡*ٍ*╞¥ (sic), Monday, 30 July 2012 03:52 (3 years ago) Permalink
This thread might be of help: those Before Watchmen comics
― Elvis Telecom, Monday, 30 July 2012 04:37 (3 years ago) Permalink
― funny-skrillex-bee_132455836669.gif (s1ocki), Monday, 30 July 2012 04:40 (3 years ago) Permalink
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 1 October 2015 18:56 (7 months ago) Permalink
― Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 1 October 2015 19:37 (7 months ago) Permalink
But with Game of Thrones‘ end looming in the next couple of years
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 1 October 2015 19:44 (7 months ago) Permalink
Jesus christ. This is just layer upon layer of unnecessary and stupid. I'd honestly rather watch a documentary series chronicling the myriad of creative methods employed in destroying all of the money would have otherwise been used to fund an inadvisable Watchmen television series.
― Famous Monsters of ILM-land (Old Lunch), Thursday, 1 October 2015 19:57 (7 months ago) Permalink
If they want to adapt some Moore property, why not Top 10? Unlike Watchmen, the concept is tailor-made for a TV series. Though I guess the whole premise would be too expensive to produce for television?
If they did do Top 10 though, I'd love to see the flame wars that'd follow the transporter accident episode: "OMG, they stole that light vs. darkness monologue from True Detective!".
― Tuomas, Friday, 2 October 2015 07:42 (6 months ago) Permalink
"Too expensive" isn't really an HBO problem. GoT ain't cheap and Westworld won't be either.
― the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Friday, 2 October 2015 08:10 (6 months ago) Permalink
Halo Jones would be ideal for a TV series. So perfect that there's no way it would happen.
― Elvis Telecom, Friday, 2 October 2015 08:27 (6 months ago) Permalink
I'd prefer to see a tv show based on literally any comic that isn't a finite story which has already been adapted, in full, by the dude who's trying to adapt it a second time.
― Famous Monsters of ILM-land (Old Lunch), Friday, 2 October 2015 10:24 (6 months ago) Permalink
aren't the ABC things like top 10, promethea, tom strong more likely to be owner-controlled? wasn't that whole thing creators' rights based?
(would like to see them try to get promethea green-lighted...)
― koogs, Friday, 2 October 2015 10:27 (6 months ago) Permalink
If Top 10 was creator-owned, I doubt Moore would've allowed DC to do two different sequel series to it without his involvement.
― Tuomas, Friday, 2 October 2015 10:45 (6 months ago) Permalink
Wasn't it always the idea with the ABC titles that he'd pass them on to other creators?
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Friday, 2 October 2015 10:48 (6 months ago) Permalink
He had developed The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen idea earlier, originally for Kevin Eastman’s Tundra outfit, with Simon Bisley slated to draw, but the idea expanded and turned into something else and veteran 2000 AD artist Kevin O’Neill became Moore’s collaborator on the creator-owned project.
The rest of “America’s Best Comics” weren’t creator-owned. Moore struck a deal with Jim Lee that would allow Moore and the artists to get up-front payment which gave Wildstorm ownership of the characters they would create in Tom Strong, Promethea, Top 10, and Tomorrow Stories. But soon after Moore signed the contract, Wildstorm was bought out by DC, and Moore was stuck working for a company he vowed never to work with again. As he told George Khoury in The Extraordinary Works of Alan Moore, “For better or worse, I decided that it was better to forego my own principles upon it rather than to put a lot of people who’d been promised work suddenly out of work.”
Moore and his “America’s Best” collaborators continued their comic-book-making, and Jim Lee mostly kept DC at a distance, although a few cases of publisher interference would annoy Moore enough to remind him that the large corporate publisher hadn’t changed much since he had last worked with them. Moore and the artists were able to produce over 100 issues of high-quality comics before he walked away from Wildstorm and DC for good, effectively closing down the “America’s Best” line even if a few series still trickled out under various non-Alan-Moore writerly guidance.
So LoEG is creator-owned (which of course explains why Moore and O'Neill were able to take it to another publisher), the other ABC titles weren't.
― Tuomas, Friday, 2 October 2015 10:58 (6 months ago) Permalink
with Simon Bisley slated to draw
Pretty glad it was O'Neill in the end!
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Friday, 2 October 2015 11:23 (6 months ago) Permalink
I hope the leak was an hbo exec at a restaurant loudly expressing their disbelief zack Snyder brought up watchmen at a meeting
― da croupier, Friday, 2 October 2015 14:00 (6 months ago) Permalink
LoEG was developed for Homage, not ABC, Lee just sold both lines to DC before anything came out.
― let no-one live rent free in your butt (sic), Friday, 2 October 2015 15:10 (6 months ago) Permalink