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don't know how you can say preferring "shades" is doing ddm wrong because each track is like a totally different exploration of mood. liking a ddm song is doing ddm right

Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 21:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

unless it's the one with Chris Brown

I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 21:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

loving this record as much as i do is tough because chris brown

Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 21:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

Skylar Grey gives Chris Brown some competition.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 21:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

skylar grey works very well on "coming home"

luckily the chris brown songs aren't very good in any case

first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 21:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

you and perry are literally the only people who post on this board who think that

tebow gotti (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 21:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

who -- me?

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 21:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

no, what lex said

tebow gotti (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 21:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

dudes, come on, "i know" is really beautiful

Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 21:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'm gonna call bullshit on my own argument just on principle - i remember a couple years ago sarge said the same thing to me when i said the "love vs money"s were my least favorite songs on that dream album - but to me the DDM album is just a joyride of bright, energetic, percussive bangers and i always resent how "shades" fucks up the flow for me

tebow gotti (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 21:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

i haven't seen anyone, anywhere rave about how amazing "yesterday" is, because it's not

first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 21:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

i like "yesterday" just wish anyone else were singing it

Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 21:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

"shades" is far from the only slow, woozy, depressive moment on LTTP - "angels", "strobe lights", "loving you no more"...and they're as integral to it as the bangers

i mean even "hate you now" and "looking for love" are basically massively dark and paranoid

first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 21:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

like i really enjoy "yesterday"'s structure, how this simple melody just collects intensity. the ending of the song is really cool too but i guess that holds for every song on this awesome record

Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 21:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

I like DDM as much for the lush, sumptuous stuff as much as the bangers and "Shades" is maybe the apotheosis of that.

And Brad otm about "Yesterday"

lag∞n affiliated (The Reverend), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 22:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

tbf k3v is the only one crazy enough to dislike 'shades'

#YOLO #NAMASTE (D-40), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 22:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

I really like "Yesterday" though it's not in the top tier of songs on the album - the only problem with it is knowing it's Chris Brown.

I want to hate on CB as much as the next person and heaps of his stuff in the past two years has been awful but I remain impressed at whatever internal molecular adjustment so many of you have accomplished whereby you now appear to have a physical reaction to his mere presence on a song.

I mean, if "Yesterday" was my favourite song I'd feel a bit weird promoting it for the same reason, but nor do I automatically vomit in my mouth every time I hear the same vocalist who I loved on "Forever" and "With You" and "Superhuman" and "Run It" and "Yo" and...

Tim F, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 22:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

Also "Shades" is awesome, probably my second favourite song on the actual album, though it was a bittersweet moment when I realised it's the DDM track most successful at converting the "watching a party through smoke" crowd.

Tim F, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 22:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

i don't even dislike 'shades' i just feel like ppl are overenthusiastic about it, like half the song is timberlake's dumb grocerybagging which you all like ironically

tebow gotti (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 22:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

there's something smarmy about CB's vocal tone that was ignorable before, maybe even suited the songs, but which is just insufferable now. i don't thin he was ever what i loved most about his big hits.

first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 22:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

i genuinely enjoy timberlake's grocery bagging

first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 22:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

"yesterday" is probably my third- or fourth favorite song, i actually think CB's voice suits it very well

tebow gotti (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 22:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol xp

tebow gotti (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 22:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

hating timberlake's grocery bagging is 1) homophobic (jk) 2) taking things too seriously. the song is just fun

#YOLO #NAMASTE (D-40), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 22:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

mayyybe thematically, i mean who cares tho, and sonically it's more an outlier than pretty much everything else other than "change"!

― tebow gotti (k3vin k.), Tuesday, January 31, 2012 4:01 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this isn't true at all... sonically it fits w/ a lot of stuff on the album, layers of synths and vocals, you're being crazy

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 31 January 2012 22:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

i think chris brown is great on this album... i mean there are places where his wounded, fragile singing voice really does not work, and there are places where it's totally perfect, and i think on this album it's pretty close to the latter

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 31 January 2012 22:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

if there's anything that breaks up the flow of the album it's "angels", which i love, but "hate you now", "shades" and "your love" all use similar tricks and then in the middle is this hollowed out track w/ a biggie verse

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 31 January 2012 22:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

one of the great strengths of this album that i picked up on more w/ some distance is how seamlessly so many major stars are folded into the album... it's not so much that they disappear but it's almost at times if like the entire black pop music community has come together to express its heartache at once

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 31 January 2012 22:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

^^^ said that in my review. The thing is like an updated Motown revue.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 22:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

Also, Timberlake is the last thing I remember about "Shades." What lingers is the insinuating, slinky groove and mood.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 22:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

also

what you gonna do
what you gonna do when i'm perfect for you
girl watch how it's gonna drive you crazy
and love's gonna turn you up baby
girl watch how it's gonna drive you crazy

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
WHAT YOU GONNA DO WHEN I'M PERFECT FOR YOU

etc.

Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 22:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

^^^ that's the best part of "Shades", & the way it transitions into the Timberlake part

Euler, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 22:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

to me its the vocals on the chorus... or whichever part it is where they sing "whatchu gonna do when i'm perfect for you?"... the vocals on that are great, the way they're layered so thick, it plays perfectly with the "hate you now" and "your love"

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 31 January 2012 22:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

Last slew of posts have all been very much OTM.

Tim F, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 22:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'll spend the rest of my life defending this album to skeptics.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 23:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

i might be totally wrong about this, but it sounds to me like the harmonies on the chorus are layered in a way that is slightly out of sync, which has this great, disorienting effect.

Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 23:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

i assume it's bilal & fauntelroy doing those parts?

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 31 January 2012 23:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

I mean, if "Yesterday" was my favourite song I'd feel a bit weird promoting it for the same reason, but nor do I automatically vomit in my mouth every time I hear the same vocalist who I loved on "Forever" and "With You" and "Superhuman" and "Run It" and "Yo" and...

It certainly helps that I mostly hated Chris Brown before he beat up Rihanna; "Run It" and "No Air" was the only songs of his I actually liked before he plopped himself on my personal boycott list.

I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 23:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

for all of my shortcomings,.. welcome to my homecoming!!

dayo, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 01:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

man i was listening to this album (or more specifically my LTTP/LOVElove vs. HATElove/A Telltale Heart mega playlist) all day today and marveling at these songs all over again, fun to come home and see you guys were all talking about it at the same time.

fwiw k3v the wayne & justin parts of "shades" (especially wayne) are probably my least favorite parts of the entire album and the rest of the song is probably my favorite, and i've made my peace w/ that and consider the song great in spite of its faults

lana del rey: everythang's workin' (some dude), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 02:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

lex has pointed this out but despite the fact that I've probably racked up a cumulatie of 30-50+ plays on each track, each song just still sounds so fresh and nice and unique

dayo, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 02:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

for all of my shortcomings,.. welcome to my homecoming!!

― dayo, Tuesday, January 31, 2012 8:48 PM (55 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It's been a long time coming!

[Love that there is another secret reference to moar soul classics embedded in the lyrics. Sam Cooke what!]

Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 02:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think what I really want to know is when Diddy actually learned how to rap

I mean, it's been building for a good long while now but I think he is legit good album this album, not just "good for Diddy"

I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 03:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

He doesn't rise above "okay" imo, even on "Looking For Love," but that's a personal best.

He sinks again on the new Ross mixtape, alas.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 03:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

well let's be clear, "good" and "amazing" are two different levels

I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 03:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

I like to think on LTTP that the company inspired him.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 03:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

even tho the whole thing was ghostwritten my favorite moment of his is still "Testimonial" from Press Play

frogbs, stills, and nash (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 03:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

eh i always thought his rapping was a pretty secondary concern on this album -- a lot of songs he only sings, or shows up w/ one verse a full two and a half minutes in. obviously there are some strong moments within those verses (it just hit me today how good he is on "someone to love me") but i mean he's still using ghostwriters and considering how often on this album it's rick ross it's kind of lol for you to say that.

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lana del rey: everythang's workin' (some dude), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 03:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

whoops - I meant "Someone to Love Me" in my example.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 03:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

Diddy's always been enjoyable as a rapper if he has someone good writing for him.

Re: "Angels" sticking out, I kind of get the impression he put it out there before he'd really figured out the direction of the rest of the album and it ended up coming along for the ride. Note that the version on the album is reworked slightly from the single to fit in a bit better: those trancy synths at the beginning, no violin solo.

lag∞n affiliated (The Reverend), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 03:52 (2 years ago) Permalink


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