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does anyone know if freeheat are still going?

I saw 'em play a coupla months back, Jim Reid now looks like a slightly portly accountant - which is fine

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 25 September 2003 10:44 (twenty years ago) link

does anyone know if freeheat are still going?
I saw 'em play a coupla months back, Jim Reid now looks like a slightly portly accountant - which is fine

...and perhaps equally pertinently, Jim'n'William's sister is currently peddling her wares in a band called Sister Vanilla, with contributions from both brothers on her album.

Looks like we Londoners missed (t)he(i)r last gig tho, cos it was this Tuesday just gone. Was anyone there?

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Thursday, 25 September 2003 15:32 (twenty years ago) link

esoj (or anyone else for that matter), can you direct me to more information on House of Mexico? My googling attempts have failed and having them mentioned in the same breath as The Radio Dept has me interested. Also, did the Sister Vanilla album ever come out? I liked the track on the geographic comp as well as the track she sang on Munki.

fffv (fffv), Thursday, 25 September 2003 16:30 (twenty years ago) link

one month passes...
CD80 'portable' Mary Chain go!

Upside Down
Never Understand
You Trip Me Up
Just Like Honey
The Living End
Taste of Cindy
Some Candy Talking
Psychocandy
The Hardest Walk (Some Kind of Wonderful OST vers.)
April Skies
Kill Surf City
Happy When It Rains
Everything is Alright When You're Down
Darklands
Deep One Perfect Morning
Nine Million Rainy Days
Cherry Came Too
On the Wall
Sidewalking
Don't Ever Change
Blues From a Gun
My Girl
Head On
Sometimes Always

(ok, this one is very personal and ignores their later stuff. they're one of my three favorite bands and this collection represents some of my most treasured music, but the last 3 albums just didn't do it for me. "Reverence" is the glaring omission here because I like the idea and lyrics, but the song itself is kind of a tuneless dud. I'd also like to have had "Far Gone and Out" or "Almost Gold" but they're just not as good as the tracks that fit 80 minutes on this one.

I'd love to have someone recommend a CD80 for the last three albums/b-sides.

The list is chronological for official releases per song appearance - 81:21 overburn!)

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 6 November 2003 22:46 (twenty years ago) link

See, I'm mad at you because _Honey's Dead_ is far and away my favorite JAMC album. Not having ANY of those tracks is not on.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 November 2003 23:23 (twenty years ago) link

PARTICULARLY if you're going to put the DEEPLY DEEPLY OVERRATED "Head On" on there!

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 November 2003 23:23 (twenty years ago) link

Don't kill him, Perry, as Just Like Honey shows taste.

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Thursday, 6 November 2003 23:24 (twenty years ago) link

Actually Dan, I was thinking partially of you when I suggested someone do a comp of their favorite tracks from the later albums!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 6 November 2003 23:26 (twenty years ago) link

My comp would be Barbed Wire Kisses.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 6 November 2003 23:29 (twenty years ago) link

that's why you're a mentalist!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 6 November 2003 23:30 (twenty years ago) link

I'm totally boring and unhelpful because my comp would be _Honey's Dead_ plus the remix of "Teenage Lust" from _I Hate Rock & Roll_.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 November 2003 23:30 (twenty years ago) link

not that Barbed Wire Kisses isn't grebt/bording on perfection, but no "April Skies"? no "Just Like Honey", that's just weird, dude.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 6 November 2003 23:31 (twenty years ago) link

Dan, I'll throw it on tonight!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 6 November 2003 23:31 (twenty years ago) link

it saves me a CDR spencer!

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 6 November 2003 23:34 (twenty years ago) link

is it me, or is the whole brmc/warlocks dress-black-dope-drone deal like basically existentially incorrect at this stage of the game? god knows i loved this shit for years, and the first two mary chain recs remain two of my faves ever, but it seems like the wrong way to sound/dress/live now. somebody smarter than me needs to put a couple of a hundred words together explaining why i am right.

dan (dan), Friday, 7 November 2003 00:32 (twenty years ago) link

they just don't do it right. If they were actually cool/sexy it would work. I think the Strokes follow a similar kind of "cool" dress code and it works better for them. I guess nowadays with the pervasiveness of stylists etc, people withhold the bestowing of cool. When Jim and William dressed like the VU and spray stenciled c*nt onto their button down shirts (buttoned all the way up) it was like the coolest thing in the universe.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 7 November 2003 00:44 (twenty years ago) link

Anyone heard the new JAMCha...I mean, Raveonettes?

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Friday, 7 November 2003 01:49 (twenty years ago) link

Spencer, I like you, but you've finally put a foot wrong here. Up your bum for not picking "Reverence"!!!! My favorite song ever!

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 7 November 2003 04:15 (twenty years ago) link

And I'd include "Sundown" for

the planet's more fucked up than I'll ever be

Right on! Honey's Dead was like a coming of age for me, I can't be objective about it.

Did Hope Sandoval break it off with her Reid bro then?

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 7 November 2003 04:17 (twenty years ago) link

tuneless dud


??????????????????????????????????????????

It's got a tune, a tune you can whistle!

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 7 November 2003 04:19 (twenty years ago) link

yeah i think Hope is doing Colm O'Ciosoig, correct me if i'm wrong

the surface noise (electricsound), Friday, 7 November 2003 04:20 (twenty years ago) link

Actually, I like "Reverance", just not as much as all the other stuff. I just listened to it and changed my mind about it's dud-ness, and it was definitely the final cut.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 7 November 2003 04:23 (twenty years ago) link

Hope lives north of Berkeley (Hills/Kensington?). Anthony Kyle Monday pointed her out to me at the Smog show here. She's small!

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 7 November 2003 04:27 (twenty years ago) link

Nordique,

Hope and Colm live up the hill from you in K-ton.

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 7 November 2003 04:31 (twenty years ago) link

and Hey! which (smog) show were you at? starry plough?

did you meet the hstencil? msp?

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 7 November 2003 04:35 (twenty years ago) link

I met hstencil very briefly, g! I bought a cd of "Julius Caesar" of of him, and errr, distinguished myself by not saying much to him. He was kinda busy, though. nice guy!

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 7 November 2003 04:48 (twenty years ago) link

msp-I haven't had the pleasure.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 7 November 2003 04:52 (twenty years ago) link

eleven months pass...
Hey, whatever happened to that touted JAMC revival last year? It never seemed to get off the ground. Sigh.

I'm listening to Munki today. Time has been kind to it. At the time, I remember having an "OMG, WTF?" reaction to it because it was almost like the JAMC recording a satire of a JAMC album.

But with some time and distance, that's what's so great about it.

Danger Whore (kate), Monday, 11 October 2004 09:18 (nineteen years ago) link

I'll have to have another go at Munki. Munki love, you guys...

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 11 October 2004 09:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Are they ever going to release the video on DVD?

I mean, honestly. My tape has just disintergrated in ... certain sections. I need a nice, clear, DVD, frame by frame-playable version.

But anyway, yeah. Munki. I mean, maybe it sounds so great because I've heard so much crap lately. I wonder how charitable I would feel if I put on Blues From A Gun or something.

Danger Whore (kate), Monday, 11 October 2004 09:33 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, and i'd like a second video collection preferably one containing the teenage lust video that we never got to see when it was out.

didn't like munki when i hear it recently (apart from Moe Tucker) but Honey's Dead was GREAT on another listen.

(i have the video in digital format (vcd or divx) if that's any use to you kate.)

koogs (koogs), Monday, 11 October 2004 11:38 (nineteen years ago) link

and i'd like a copy of their Whistle Test(?) performance from '86 ish

koogs (koogs), Monday, 11 October 2004 11:44 (nineteen years ago) link

You know, if only I had a DVD writer etc, I'd do you a copy of my "Psychoanalysis" J&MC Compilation (runs up to Sidewalking iirc) which was top. I say so anyway.

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 11 October 2004 12:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Hrmmm. See I was disappointed with Honeys Dead the last time I dragged it out.

Danger Whore (kate), Monday, 11 October 2004 12:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Me too, when I bought it. No actually, I'm thinking of Automatic. HD was a return to form for me.

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 11 October 2004 12:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Honeys Dead dated badly, to my ears. Good songs, but the production just screamed NINETEEN NINETY TWO!!! to me.

Danger Whore (kate), Monday, 11 October 2004 12:04 (nineteen years ago) link

I've said this before, on this forum, in fact, can't remember on what thread, but I remember someone taking the piss out of me because I was taking the piss out of dance music for dating badly. Sigh.

Danger Whore (kate), Monday, 11 October 2004 12:05 (nineteen years ago) link

The one I'm most likely to 'dig' out is Stoned and Dethroned, funnily enough. "Come On" is one of their best singles, it's just that it's got a particularly feeble title.

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 11 October 2004 12:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Stoned and Dethroned... hrmmm. That's the one that left the least impression on me. Even though I saw them quite a bit on that tour, my main memory was always "Ho-Ho-Hope, ugh." (Going onstage with the JAMC and complaining that there's *feedback* - what is she thinking?) I suppose there were some decent tracks on it, but some truly dire lyrics. "Jesus walks on the water, we walk on wetness, too" or something like that?

I mean, sure, they're not known for their lyrical prowess, but it's a long way from "I'll be your plastic toy" or even "I wanna die on a sunny day" for chrissake.

Danger Whore (kate), Monday, 11 October 2004 12:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Odd. I was actually blasting Psychocandy this weekend. When the wife and child returned home from an errand, my wife furrowed her lovely brow and said, "what on earth is this awful noise?". It's still got it!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 11 October 2004 14:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Honey's Dead: http://www.robotfist.com/030205/030205_35.html says it better than i ever could. love that guitar sound in Catchfire. reminds me of Bo Diddly or one of those.

> Psychoanalysis" J&MC Compilation

sounds a lot like the video here: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00004R699/ref%3Dnosim/iq451-21/026-6561500-4698820

which is what i have. i just used my tv capture card to make a digital copy for backup purposes. and because i could.

amazon review for 'sound of speed':
"Reviewer: kat791 from england
not what i was expecting, but good nonetheless. the leonrad cohen cover 'the tower of song' is way cool, as is the cover of 'my girl'. cool acoustic guitar and the singer's got a nice voice. pretty good. similar to the beta band."

8)

koogs (koogs), Monday, 11 October 2004 14:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Why does "Automatic" get so little respect? Yeah, I wish they hadn't used a drum machine, and they were clearly trying to sell out a bit with an album of straight-ahead rock songs. But what great songs they are! And the production hasn't dated any more than that on "Darklands".

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 11 October 2004 14:50 (nineteen years ago) link

> Psychoanalysis" J&MC Compilation

Something I made myself, out of vids and snippets off TV. If amazon are selling it, I shal go paranoid !

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 11 October 2004 14:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Why does "Automatic" get so little respect? Yeah, I wish they hadn't used a drum machine, and they were clearly trying to sell out a bit with an album of straight-ahead rock songs. But what great songs they are! And the production hasn't dated any more than that on "Darklands".

I love Automatic too. However, the production has dated a little more than Darklands as it has fewer distinguishable electronics. However, Darklands is mostly drum machine too! (some people disagree with me on this point. unfortunately, they are wrong).

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 11 October 2004 16:46 (nineteen years ago) link

you can get their whistle test performance on one of the bbc whistle test dvds. they do "in a hole" and it is amazingly mesmerising, though sadly not performed in front of bob harris i is sure would have had a coronary... reid, reid and hart are all in bike leathers whilst bobby gillespie sports fetching khaki...

gerardo francisco, Monday, 11 October 2004 19:52 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Somebody talk to me right now and at length about how insanely great Honey's Dead is, and why, with particular reference to "Sundown," "Reverence," "Tumbledown," and "Frequency." Thanking you in advance, I remain.

xero (xero), Thursday, 21 September 2006 20:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Dan P to thread...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 21 September 2006 20:04 (seventeen years ago) link

I finally found an mp3 of the version of "Some Candy Talking" from the NME 7" freebie - and I am finally happy.

I.M. From Hollywood (i_m_from_hollywood), Thursday, 21 September 2006 23:38 (seventeen years ago) link

The Hardest Walk (Some Kind of Wonderful OST vers.)


Please describe what the difference is between this and the "Psychocandy" version, someone!

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 22 September 2006 08:07 (seventeen years ago) link

my sister's boyfriend's band supported jim reid last week. i was well impressed! they couldn't have cared less.

pisces (piscesx), Friday, 22 September 2006 10:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, honestly, I could hang onto 21 Singles and Barbed Wire Kisses.

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Friday, 22 March 2024 22:09 (four weeks ago) link

"Head On" >>>>>> Psychocandy

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 22 March 2024 22:51 (four weeks ago) link

I am of the moderate centrist position that they should have stopped after Automatic

Which is not to say I begrudge them their continued existence, we all must make rent as best we are able in this cursed world

Kraal Disorientation Chamber (emsworth), Friday, 22 March 2024 23:17 (four weeks ago) link

The world is a poorer place without "Almost Gold" and "Far Gone and Out."

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 22 March 2024 23:19 (four weeks ago) link

Perhaps marginally poorer but I am okay with it. I dunno, I lived thru all those 90s JAMC records and saw them at the tail end of their OG incarnation, and it was all good enough. But I think those first three records and Sidewalking are where it is most at.

Kraal Disorientation Chamber (emsworth), Friday, 22 March 2024 23:26 (four weeks ago) link

it was playing in hmv this morning when i went to buy a copy, always slightly embarrassing

koogs, Saturday, 23 March 2024 19:15 (three weeks ago) link

(just ask them to turn down that racket while you're paying)

StanM, Saturday, 23 March 2024 20:27 (three weeks ago) link

Honeys Dead is a cracking album

I saw them play at Electric Picnic in '07 and they were probably the dreariest act I watched that weekend.

Saxophone Of Futility (Michael B), Sunday, 24 March 2024 12:03 (three weeks ago) link

I like post-Psychocandy JAMC okay, but I can totally understand how they could seem ridiculous, naff, unintentionally comedic/parodic, it’s part of the package I guess

brimstead, Sunday, 24 March 2024 16:32 (three weeks ago) link

it was playing in hmv this morning when i went to buy a copy, always slightly embarrassing

Story I have recounted before: the fights that used to go on for control of the turntable when I worked at a record store in the mid-'80s. I honestly thought Psychocandy was perfect for a busy Saturday afternoon, a much better choice than Robert Palmer or Whitney Houston or Bruce Hornsby or whatever.

I still love the album whenever I revisit something on YouTube, but, from a customer standpoint, I really don't know what I was thinking.

clemenza, Sunday, 24 March 2024 18:44 (three weeks ago) link

(I know you're talking about the new album, which I haven't heard and probably never will.)

clemenza, Sunday, 24 March 2024 18:45 (three weeks ago) link

have been buying their stuff since Never Understand and haven't had a reason to stop yet. can't think of another band where that's true.

koogs, Sunday, 24 March 2024 18:56 (three weeks ago) link

@Kraal: the moderate centrist position is definitely defensible, but I think Honey's Dead and the slightly leftfield Stoned and Dethroned are more than worthy. Finding the new one kind of a bummer on the first pass though.

Saw em in Philly on the tour where William bailed (Munki?). Only time I did; wish I'd gotten it together to go sooner.

three of the doctor's valuable bats are now dead (broom air), Sunday, 24 March 2024 19:09 (three weeks ago) link

Loved Honey's Dead upon release (probably the first album I got from them) and saw them on the US Rollercoaster tour. Worked my way back after that but tuned out by the time Stoned came out (it's nice though and Sometimes Always is a minor classic). Since then, I've filed them in the category of dependable bands who I don't really need anymore new/extra music from. Might pick up the new one since I'm hearing a a bit of extra synth in their sound.

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Monday, 25 March 2024 08:26 (three weeks ago) link

I was going to get the cassette edition, but all places had it sold-out/unavailable three days ago.

I suspect it got cancelled. Unless any of youse got it ordered?

Mark G, Monday, 25 March 2024 18:21 (three weeks ago) link

New one has some cool bits (the advance tracks mostly) but also some really abysmal career nadirs (The Eagles and the Beatles? Wtf)

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Saturday, 30 March 2024 13:11 (two weeks ago) link

"don't come down" is exactly like the songs me and my friend strove to make in high school. i love it so much

Comfortably numbnuts (Heez), Tuesday, 9 April 2024 12:50 (one week ago) link

they sound mostly like late-90s Primal Scream to me now

fetter, Tuesday, 9 April 2024 16:11 (one week ago) link

Yeah, this is... not great, it's a pretty mixed bag. Which would be fine for a late career album like this, but the lows are really low.

New one has some cool bits (the advance tracks mostly) but also some really abysmal career nadirs (The Eagles and the Beatles? Wtf)

Fully agree, that one is embarrassing.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 17:14 (three days ago) link


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