I heard Geir Hongro wants to kill all black people. Confirm/deny?
― Dom Passantino, Monday, 24 September 2007 10:47 (5 years ago) Permalink
you've made a good start, but SFG are small fry
Scouting for Girls have the number 12 album this week unfortunately.
Dom, Monster Magnet are great!
― Raw Patrick, Monday, 24 September 2007 10:53 (5 years ago) Permalink
I used to go to school with a girl who had a... that guy from Monster Magnet (Dave something) poster on all of her workbooks and folders. She was about 6'3". They sucked.
― Dom Passantino, Monday, 24 September 2007 10:55 (5 years ago) Permalink
Covering ALL yr folders in MM is going too far I admit. You have to leave some to cover in Kyuss posters.
― Raw Patrick, Monday, 24 September 2007 11:03 (5 years ago) Permalink
It's a satanic drug thing, you wouldn't understand
xpost
― DJ Mencap, Monday, 24 September 2007 11:05 (5 years ago) Permalink
This is not about skin colour. Black people should also write proper tunes, and when they do they do it just as great as white people.
― Geir Hongro, Monday, 24 September 2007 11:34 (5 years ago) Permalink
"And that's the end of that chapter"
― Dom Passantino, Monday, 24 September 2007 11:37 (5 years ago) Permalink
Kula Shaker weren't that bad in retrospect. Oasis were actually worse than Kula Shaker, I think (worse tunes, stupider lyrics - some achievement! - more derivative, dreary plodding feel) Athlete are far worse than Kula Shaker, Scouting for Girls are are worse than Kula Shaker by a distance as great as the distance between the 2 farthest points in the galaxy. I suspect most 2nd division britpop and nearly all lammo music is not only worse than Kula Shaker, but actually much worse. (this is not saying much I know)
― Pashmina, Monday, 24 September 2007 11:46 (5 years ago) Permalink
<i>Kulkinari is the only writer from the mid 90s NME/MM axis that I would still bother going back and reading, _but_ his musical taste was dreadful and Sleeper were actually better than any band he used to plug of his own accord (lol monster magnet lol).</i>
i have just discovered that jw locked the 'RONG' thread on nb, so let me just say RONG, and that monster magnet>>>>>>sleeper, and that kulkarni is deathlessly genius. his musical taste was fucking dead sharp, and i own many fine albums thans to his advice.
― stevie, Monday, 24 September 2007 11:47 (5 years ago) Permalink
Man, if ONLY we still had an ILXor who was capable of starting Sleeper vs American rock band threads....
― Dom Passantino, Monday, 24 September 2007 11:49 (5 years ago) Permalink
Kula Shaker should be judged by the only criteria that matters, their melodies, which is were they fall short of - among others - Oasis by ripping off old Stone Roses songs and calling them their own.
― Geir Hongro, Monday, 24 September 2007 11:50 (5 years ago) Permalink
ripping off old Stone Roses songs
How dare they steal those original Roses tunes.
― onimo, Monday, 24 September 2007 11:54 (5 years ago) Permalink
"...fashion journalist Alexis Petridis in The Guardian..."
Ha ha ha 10/10 Dom.
Oasis entire career has been based on lifting other bands' songs, Geir!
― Pashmina, Monday, 24 September 2007 11:55 (5 years ago) Permalink
Oasis are lifting riffs, Stone Roses are lifting actual melodic lines. Important difference. "Into The Blue" is an entire lift of "Bye Bye Badmen". Oasis were only influenced by, say, the piano theme from "Imagine" without ever copying it note for note.
― Geir Hongro, Monday, 24 September 2007 12:13 (5 years ago) Permalink
Lots of hip-hop tunes are based upon lifting riffs or tunes from older tunes note for note though. Which is one of the reasons why hip-hop is inferior.
― Geir Hongro, Monday, 24 September 2007 12:14 (5 years ago) Permalink
Surely a great tune stays a great tune? In fact, copying an extant magical melidy is the best thing to do.
― Raw Patrick, Monday, 24 September 2007 12:20 (5 years ago) Permalink
melody, obv.
Surely a great tune stays a great tune?
But when it is composed it is composed and it doesn't need to be recomposed.
It's better to compose a new tune in the exact same style, and chances are it may be a great tune too.
― Geir Hongro, Monday, 24 September 2007 12:25 (5 years ago) Permalink
Geir is on his hobby horse here and shouldn't be encouraged (I kinda thought he'd grown past some of these ideas but I guess getting misty-eyed for britpop has reawakened the zealot in him), but I can't help myself: Geir between the sort of "theft? tribute!" melodic cribbing that Oasis does and sampling, I know the latter seems more creative to me. Oasis picks your pocket and tries to look innocent; hip hop folds your dollar a half-dozen times and hands in back to you in a shape you wouldn't have guessed at. Lifting a riff honestly and recontextualizing it = writing; aping a style or two as Oasis did = pastiche.
― J0hn D., Monday, 24 September 2007 12:30 (5 years ago) Permalink
Pastiche is musical genius.
― Geir Hongro, Monday, 24 September 2007 12:32 (5 years ago) Permalink
And a good tune shouldn't be changed or "shaped" it should be kept the way the composer intended it.
― Geir Hongro, Monday, 24 September 2007 12:33 (5 years ago) Permalink
most composers, including Beethoven, Chopin, and all the romantics you claim to like, disagree strongly with you on this point, as the use of a theme by another composer is a time- and tradition-honored practice; the only constant is that one does not keep the melody "the way the composer intended it," as to do so would be pointless. That is to say: most composers would say your assertion there is nonsense.
― J0hn D., Monday, 24 September 2007 12:37 (5 years ago) Permalink
ban geir
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 24 September 2007 12:41 (5 years ago) Permalink
but Oasis used the stolen melodies in a real kind of interesting way by bolting them to a shoegaze / drone rock non dynamic tempered with the first wave of over compression made them more than whatever parts they were a sum of. maybe. i wrote a proper piece about this, but it's bad form to link yr own pieces on ilx isn't it. it's like oasis changed the form but not the content or something.
― acrobat, Monday, 24 September 2007 12:45 (5 years ago) Permalink
BAN GEIR BAN GEIR BAN GEIR BAN GEIR BAN GEIR BAN GEIR BAN GEIR
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 24 September 2007 12:47 (5 years ago) Permalink
i wrote a proper piece about this, but it's bad form to link yr own pieces on ilx isn't it
Let's hope no-one tries to do this on this thread
― DJ Mencap, Monday, 24 September 2007 12:52 (5 years ago) Permalink
in all seriousness, ban geir
― Dom Passantino, Monday, 24 September 2007 12:54 (5 years ago) Permalink
Wellllllll...
Oasis reduced the whole of the alternate/indie sector to "top ten hits, anything else isn't good enough" and all the inventive / quirky / etc bedrock disappeared.
― Mark G, Monday, 24 September 2007 12:55 (5 years ago) Permalink
He's still only 34? Fuck me.
His age hasn't prevented him from still talking bollocks though, I notice.
― Ned Trifle II, Monday, 24 September 2007 12:56 (5 years ago) Permalink
bang eir
― Pashmina, Monday, 24 September 2007 13:19 (5 years ago) Permalink
― Mark G, Monday, 24 September 2007 13:25 (5 years ago) Permalink
It is strange how disagreeing with the typical ILM-opinion that "hip-hop rules, "white" music sucks" can stir so much emotion.
― Geir Hongro, Monday, 24 September 2007 13:35 (5 years ago) Permalink
the typical ILM-opinion that "hip-hop rules, "white" music sucks"
yr evidences, let me see them
― Just got offed, Monday, 24 September 2007 13:37 (5 years ago) Permalink
but Oasis used the stolen melodies
Oasis didn't steal melodies. They pastiched styles. Which is a lot better and actually a sign of musical genius.
― Geir Hongro, Monday, 24 September 2007 13:38 (5 years ago) Permalink
Do you like Neil Innes?
― Mark G, Monday, 24 September 2007 13:38 (5 years ago) Permalink
[It is strange how disagreeing with the typical ILM-opinion that "hip-hop rules, "white" music sucks" can stir so much emotion.
-- Geir Hongro, Monday, September 24, 2007 2:35 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
no emotion here, chief.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 24 September 2007 13:39 (5 years ago) Permalink
xpost (or, actually, better response = )
Talent Borrows, Genius Steals.
― Mark G, Monday, 24 September 2007 13:40 (5 years ago) Permalink
Hip-hop and house/electronica was about to destroy music, and Britpop was needed to re-estalish the tune ass all that mattered again.
― tissp, Monday, 24 September 2007 13:44 (5 years ago) Permalink
I take in then Geir that you have no response to the use of themes by other composers in classical music
kinda figured as much
― J0hn D., Monday, 24 September 2007 13:46 (5 years ago) Permalink
i regret reviving this thread.
fucking geir.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 24 September 2007 13:48 (5 years ago) Permalink
dude, such threads give oxygen to the fires of ignorance, bigotry and stupidity that ultimately consume all of geir's arguments, don't sweat it.
― stevie, Monday, 24 September 2007 13:52 (5 years ago) Permalink
LOL, groundhog day.
― Pashmina, Monday, 24 September 2007 14:10 (5 years ago) Permalink
The point in case here is the reviewer should never have reviewed that album at all. If the reviewer dislikes then entire idea of a bunch of white guys with guitars making old-fashioned tuneful music influenced by 60s and 70s music, then let someone else review them instead, and let this guy stick to his hip-hip or house instead. Those of us you like tuneful music aren't interested in the opinions of those who don't.
― Geir Hongro, Monday, 24 September 2007 19:19 (5 years ago) Permalink
let this guy stick to his hip-hip
...hooray?
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 24 September 2007 19:21 (5 years ago) Permalink
Geirhog Day
― Dom Passantino, Monday, 24 September 2007 19:25 (5 years ago) Permalink
I like how Neil is getting it in the neck for dissing "a bunch of white guys with guitars making old-fashioned tuneful music influenced by 60s and 70s music" and also for liking Monster Magnet
― DJ Mencap, Monday, 24 September 2007 19:48 (5 years ago) Permalink
no way, geir: half the fun of music reviewing is watching someone tear chunks out of an album they were always going to hate. and half the fun of writing reviews is finding new ways to hone yr invective. in fact: i'd argue that people should only review things they don't think they'll like. (well, okay: i wouldn't really. but i might in this instance.)
also, as i always like to point out at times like this: following the legendary 0/10 review of "hippopotamomus" in the NME, i rushed out to buy it.
― grimly fiendish, Monday, 24 September 2007 19:50 (5 years ago) Permalink
The point about reading a review is finding out "Is it likely that I will like this album or not?". If the album is in a genre you don't like, then you skip the review and don't read it at all. And then, if the album is in a genre you like, then you expect the reviewer to like the same genre, and tell you whether this is a good album judging from that genre's set of quality criteria.
That is: Kula Shaker should have been judged by their tunes and their musicianship, not by their "originality", as none of their fans were looking for "original" or "groundbreaking" music anyway.
― Geir Hongro, Monday, 24 September 2007 19:59 (5 years ago) Permalink
b-b-but ... if i had cloth ears and liked that kinda stuff, i'd still know from NK's review that i was just gonna love the patronising retro stylings of mid-90s kula shaker. just as i knew i'd love that momus album (and did).
that's why reviews are bylined: it's one person's view, not a publication's, and over time readers might or might not come to identify with -- or maybe loathe! -- certain writers.
also: i read reviews of all genres. that's one of the ways i started, er, listening to a lot of different music -- stuff i thought i'd hate. hellfire, it was reading a piece in (cough) "the word" that made me think, right, i'm going to give fuckin' dylan a try (qv thread somewhere else on new answers right now). seriously, dude, you should try it :/
― grimly fiendish, Monday, 24 September 2007 20:09 (5 years ago) Permalink
et bloody cetera ad infinitum.
― Mark G, Monday, 24 September 2007 21:18 (5 years ago) Permalink
That's nonsense. Classical composers were always experimenting with different orchestral arrangements, new instruments, etc... And there's been experimentation with production techniques in pop since at least the late 60s.
― max r, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 23:03 (5 years ago) Permalink
I was going to send this thread around to some friends b/c of the interesting review but then the thread got derailed. still derailed i see.
― Billy Pilgrim, Wednesday, 26 September 2007 00:45 (5 years ago) Permalink
But melodies were always an important part of 60s pop and 19 century classical music, even if there were other elements too the melody was always there at the bottom.
― Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 26 September 2007 09:09 (5 years ago) Permalink
geir do you like harry warren?
― Pashmina, Wednesday, 26 September 2007 10:43 (5 years ago) Permalink
-- That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, September 24, 2007 2:48 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Link
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Wednesday, 26 September 2007 10:46 (5 years ago) Permalink
Votes for imagebombing?
― Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 26 September 2007 10:47 (5 years ago) Permalink
there should be a 'killfile last 100 posts' function
― Just got offed, Wednesday, 26 September 2007 10:48 (5 years ago) Permalink
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Wednesday, 26 September 2007 10:51 (5 years ago) Permalink
ilm has been silent for 17 minutes, as the LBZC plots its next move
― Just got offed, Wednesday, 26 September 2007 11:09 (5 years ago) Permalink
― roffle roffle, Wednesday, 26 September 2007 11:14 (5 years ago) Permalink
I couldn't find a .jpg of three pots and one kettle, sorry.
― roffle roffle, Wednesday, 26 September 2007 11:15 (5 years ago) Permalink
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Wednesday, 26 September 2007 11:19 (5 years ago) Permalink
TS mr idée fixe vs the holy trinity of lazy, adolescent snark.
(ha, xposts)
― Pashmina, Wednesday, 26 September 2007 11:20 (5 years ago) Permalink
That looks like a Yello video that never was.
― NickB, Wednesday, 26 September 2007 11:24 (5 years ago) Permalink
Personally I think their comeback album is indeed better than any of their two 90s albums. They have stripped away all of the "indie" elements and gone fully fledged hippie-pop with quite a hint of 70s softrock/pomp pop. Which fits them greatly.
― Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 31 October 2007 01:55 (5 years ago) Permalink
I like "Tattva."
― Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 31 October 2007 02:28 (5 years ago) Permalink
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqncFetwku0
Yeah, they sucked
― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 23:18 (5 years ago) Permalink
I'm happy to say that KulaShaker never graced my stereo - I thought they were bollocks.
this DG guy OTM
― DG, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 23:25 (5 years ago) Permalink
Mr Snrub OTM 2 posts ago
― Noodle Vague, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 23:30 (5 years ago) Permalink