― Mark (MarkR), Monday, 1 December 2003 03:59 (9 years ago) Permalink
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― gigabytepicnic, Thursday, 20 December 2007 00:22 (5 years ago) Permalink
One of my favorite bands ever.
― kiss out the jams, Thursday, 20 December 2007 02:29 (5 years ago) Permalink
Is it possible to start reviving this band's reputation yet? In amidst some goofiness and some poetry-slam yecch there's some moments that just cut through and strike me as better than almost anything else on record in the 90s. I mean, like:
"Leaning up against the wallI will: lash out dancing like a madman when you're goneI will spit the blue flame and hurl my glass against the wallAnd I will hear your name called out from a boom boxI will hear your name called out from passing cars"
I'll be damned if anyone else has better summarized that feeling he's talking about. I should find the injection of poetry into jazzy sample-hop-rock grating and cheesy but the thing is I think the guy's actually okay at poetry, or at least he can turn a phrase that rolls off the tongue and also paints a picture:
"Well I dreamed a great parade, shooting all the guns in BrooklynThe man who had a spare held out two and then you took one"
Every so often he gets a little too caught up or prose-y, but I still kinda like it:
"Six hoodlums, dicey,their faces apostrophied with headphones,surround you on the corner of Elizabeth and Springand disperse in six directionslike electrons used to scream off from the apple of the atom."
I mean, the guy is trying to compose a rap that compares the movements of hoodlums to outmoded atomic models, but he's not really rubbing your face in it, you can just kinda get lost in the fun of the words.
I dunno - I never listen to their CDs straight through anymore but I feel like it's time to stop denying that I love this band.
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 24 September 2008 04:11 (4 years ago) Permalink
A couple new Mike Doughty albums have dropped lately
I do think this new direction he's going in is fine, but he has taken the opportunity to trash Soul Coughing so many times that it actually kinda hurts. I understand that he was in a bad place but he needs to accept that the music he made meant a lot to a lot of people and it makes his judgement look bad to try so hard to distance himself from that. A buddy of mine is friends with him on Facebook and got a real bitchy response from him for even bringing it up. In fact I emailed him once and didn't mention SC at all and also got a bitchy response.
― frogbs, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 15:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
What's behind his trashing SC?
― jaymc, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 15:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
xpost -- sounds like somebody to maybe just not communicate with. (I heard a track by chance of SC's the other week in listening to an old comp and it reconfirmed my impression that the band was really kinda insufferable to my ears.)
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 16:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
apparently he had a really big experience in SC, the other band members weren't nice enough to him, and he was battling some addiction demons, etc. etc., so he talks all the time about how terrible that was for him, but that's kinda extended into hating on the fans who want to hear the Soul Coughing songs or those who tell him how much they enjoyed that stuff
― frogbs, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 16:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
Ah, I see. Yeah, I was a big fan of the first two SC records. Never heard the Doughty solo records, but I caught him live in 2001-ish and was disappointed at the direction he'd gone in.
― jaymc, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 16:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'll still rep for Ruby Vroom being a great album at the time but I don't really have any desire to revisit it now.
― psychedelicatessen (seandalai), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 16:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
I just remember XRT playing the hell out of that awful "Bustin' Up a Starbucks" song and thinking it'd be safe to write him off.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 16:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
The first time I saw SC the only song I knew by them was "True Dreams Of Wichita," so I went in expecting some kind of downtempo, Tom Waits-y thing. Tiny club, packed to the rafters, they opened with "Is Chicago...' and the room fucking EXPLODED. That bassline and scratchy guitar riff never fail to get me excited to this day.
― Prostetnic Vogon Limbaugh (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 16:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah, I wonder why he doesn't write songs like that anymore, as he's claimed many times that he was the main creative force behind Soul Coughing...very few of his solo songs hit me like that . for whatever reason he just wants to be Dave Matthews, which is disturbing consdering how well his SC material railed against that kind of sound!
― frogbs, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 16:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
Saw SC on the tour with Jeff Buckley. He and Jeff kept namedropping each other in their songs... I remember Buckley altering "Hallelujah" and it was something like "... I know this room, I've walked this floor / I used to live with Mike Doughty before I knew you."
― Punned Sheerest, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 16:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
Doughty's book is out (I felt compelled to get it because I shared a house with him right before SC took off). Drugs, meaningless sex, I gotta be me, and fuck all my old bandmates 'cause they all suck and it was all my idea. That pretty much summarizes it.
I went back and put on the song by SC that I used to like "White Girl" and was struck once again by what a good drummer they had.
Book is "The Book of Drugs." Soul Coughing fans looking for anything other than bile are likely to be disappointed...
― dlp9001, Saturday, 28 January 2012 19:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
i still really like the first two SC albums. i wanted to read doughty's book; sorry to hear it's so bitter.
― riboflavin flavored (get bent), Saturday, 28 January 2012 20:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
dlp's on the money with this, but I will contend that it was a decent read regardless, though you probably shouldn't expect too much narrative out of it. it jumps around a LOT and seems to leave out a lot of details. but essentially, most of the book is dedicated to how much he hates the other three Soul Coughing guys (AND his record label, AND all his friends, AND the whole New York music scene, AND of course, his fans)
I feel like it's Doughty's intention to make people who became fans of his through Soul Coughing (which is like, 75% of his fanbase) feel bad about liking them, which is just a shitty thing to do all around. He does imply many times that he was the genius of the band, but also that their records all sucked, and that his Dave Matthews-aping solo career is where he *really* got good, even though that career is basically him rewriting "St. Louise", "Soft Serve", and "Janine" over and over again, and that people liked SC for reasons other than himself, which is to say the rhythm section and use of the sampler were in fact the big draws!
― frogbs, Wednesday, 14 March 2012 13:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah it's sad but kind of hilarious that dude who was by his own admission a junkie for most of the band's lifespan is still REALLY REALLY convinced that everyone around him at the time was an asshole, has to write a book about how uncomfortable he is with the whole reason people know who he is and pay his rent.
Sebastian Steinberg made a record under the name Homesick Orchestra a few years ago that's really grown on me, great low key stuff.
― some dude, Thursday, 15 March 2012 03:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
I blasted "Casiotone Nation" at a very high volume in the car yesterday and, yeah, they were about so much more than Doughty. The fact that they didn't get along is probably the reason why the albums are so good! (see also: The Shape of Punk to Come)
Doughty's solo work is decent, but I do get the feeling that he really wants to show his old audience, "this is what SC should have sounded like". I like the acoustic, "small rock" Doughty, Skittish really is a pretty great album, and the songs on Haughty Melodic are plenty good even if they're smashed with overproduction. His last couple were pretty good but I can't imagine anyone hearing them on the radio and thinking, "yeah, I got to buy that!"
― frogbs, Thursday, 15 March 2012 14:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
He did have that one out-of-nowhere semi-hit though, right? Looking Out From The Bottom of a Well, something like that? It showed up a lot in the satellite radio feed at the last restaurant job I had.
But yeah - never been the slightest bit interested in the Doughty solo stuff later than "Never Gonna Come Back Down." Good for him if he likes it, but I dug and still dig Soul Coughing as outlined above. Some of the tics may not have aged well but generally some really strong material.
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 15 March 2012 15:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
MD trashing SC is the first thing I've ever liked about him.
God, remember when that superbonbonbon song was unavoidable?
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 15 March 2012 15:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
xp: I've heard a few of his songs on the radio - "27 Jennifers", "Busting Up a Starbucks", and "Na Na Nothing", all at restaurants (as it turns out)
there are parts in his book where he says things like "I would sometimes play Soul Coughing songs at my shows, but if I heard just one single yell of approval, it would feel like a dagger twisting in my heart", where it's like, dude, even if I HATED Soul Coughing, this would still make me cringe
― frogbs, Thursday, 15 March 2012 19:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
first post itt is "deep like a baby seal"
― flag post sitta (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 15 March 2012 20:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
you guys really read the fuck out of M Douty's book huh
― flag post sitta (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 15 March 2012 20:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
i think i will too i guess
― flag post sitta (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 15 March 2012 20:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
this thread kinda makes me want to, and that's an accomplishment
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Thursday, 15 March 2012 20:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
I do give it credit for being brutally honest. If anything is whitewashed, it sure as hell doesn't show. Obviously he's really hard on his bandmates but he doesn't really try to make himself come off as any better than them. Definitely very "readable" (as in, you'll probably want to read it all in one sitting)
― frogbs, Thursday, 15 March 2012 20:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
definitely won't read the book, although he is a decent writer -- the music column he used to do as 'dirty sanchez' for the ny press was pretty funny
― some dude, Thursday, 15 March 2012 20:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
definitely won't read the book
we found the one piece of pop culture some dude is too good for
― flag post sitta (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 15 March 2012 20:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
i will take the ribbing about being a loser shut-in who consumes an absurd amount of entertainment from a lot of people, but not the fucking 1000 Times Yes guy
― some dude, Thursday, 15 March 2012 21:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
a) I can listen and do listen to records outside of my house; b) giving a fuck about shit like Type Records and NNA Tapes is kind of world away from an adult man tweeting about what happened on Regis and Kelly.
― flag post sitta (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 15 March 2012 21:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
i download Live With Kelly to my ipod and watch outside in the woods fyi
― some dude, Thursday, 15 March 2012 21:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
if you can't take an ironic zing from whiney you can't take whiney
― da croupier, Thursday, 15 March 2012 21:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
i'm certainly not taking him to the forest for my daytime talk party
― some dude, Thursday, 15 March 2012 21:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
most of the book is dedicated to how much he hates the other three Soul Coughing guys (AND his record label, AND all his friends, AND the whole New York music scene, AND of course, his fans)
book is the snipiest thing i've ever read in my life. i read it in like two sittings because I couldn't put it down
― liars - wkiw (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 04:33 (11 months ago) Permalink
dying laffing at roger adultery of all ppl having a problem w/ soul coughing way up top becuz of 'overt whiteness'!
― balls, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 04:50 (11 months ago) Permalink
WGW that was my impression exactly, it was definitely a very compelling read, you just wind up hating everyone in the book. I mean I get that the band was probably very dickish to Doughty but on the other hand it's clear that Doughty wanted complete control of the band plus the most money, and was pretty unreliable as a whole. It sounds like he's got a serious attitude like "if I don't get things exactly my way, then fuck you, I don't care about the result". Every time I listen to SC my impression is that the band is amazing and the songwriting is mediocre, but I like Doughty's innate ability to recognize a hook and I think he's a good frontman. But anyone could write a song like "Blue-eyed Devil".
― frogbs, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 16:56 (11 months ago) Permalink
Steinberg also spent some time in Marc Ribot's Shrek. Yo! I Killed Your God is a great record and is worth seeking out.
― felldownawell, Thursday, 7 June 2012 05:30 (11 months ago) Permalink
I remember seeing them once with Pavement, Sloan, and Beck which might be one of the 90s-est shows ever.
I actually listened to the three records again and still really like them, nostalgia or not. The drums, bass, and samples make it so much more interesting than any of the solo Doughty stuff that I've heard, which just reminds me why I could never stand Cake, King Missle, or other jokey / nerdy / whatever type bands of that era.
― joygoat, Thursday, 7 June 2012 06:06 (11 months ago) Permalink
so does anyone prefer irrestible bliss to ruby vroom? i think i do now, probably didn't at the time.
interesting that people think his solo career is aping dave matthews, i remember when matthews realeased too much i thought it was a soul coughing rip.
― mizzell, Thursday, 7 June 2012 15:57 (11 months ago) Permalink
so does anyone prefer irrestible bliss to ruby vroom? i think i do now, probably didn't at the time.
yes, totally. heard IB first and loved it, then for a while it was my least favorite of the 3, now i think it's their best.
― shipl.de.al (some dude), Thursday, 7 June 2012 16:29 (11 months ago) Permalink
all three albums run pretty similar to me; each has like 8-9 really great songs, then maybe 1 or 2 I could do without; I would imagine that Ruby Vroom is going to be the one they'll always be known for.
maybe the Dave comparison isn't the best, it's not like I can remember more than 5-6 songs by the guy. but his first solo records Haughty Melodic and Golden Delicious seemed to impersonate that "maximalist jam band" feel, which doesn't work for him because his songs are all very simple - as I mentioned earlier you can trace probably 80% of his songs back to the same 3-4 Soul Coughing tunes. His early acoustic sets (like Smofe + Smang) portray this in a striking way - he's alternating between SC stuff and his solo stuff, and yet every song has the same chords, the same mood, the same everything - it's still a great set, but it's obvious that Doughty alone isn't what made "Lazybones" such an emotional powerhouse on record.
― frogbs, Thursday, 7 June 2012 17:12 (11 months ago) Permalink
it was pretty funny when Dave Matthews' label had David Gray and Mike Doughty on it, like guys, you ALL have a certain shared singing style and goofy way of swinging your head around when you sing, this is starting to get weird
― shipl.de.al (some dude), Thursday, 7 June 2012 17:17 (11 months ago) Permalink
new Doughty album that's all covers just came out - the jam band-styled take on "Take Me Home, Country Roads" is pretty lame but there's a track where he's rapping over John Denver's Sunshine. if you like Doughty's style but are getting a little sick of him rewriting the same songs over and over this is for you.
― frogbs, Tuesday, 27 November 2012 20:17 (5 months ago) Permalink
feel like all he wants is for people not to listen to his new stuff and say it's not as good as Soul Coughing and that i'm willing to comply with that
― some dude, Tuesday, 27 November 2012 20:27 (5 months ago) Permalink
I think that everything I need to know about Doughty was covered on his WTF episode.
― Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 27 November 2012 21:52 (5 months ago) Permalink
I can see that, it was a little hard to listen to. Just the constant paranoia and "why is this happening to me?" gets on my nerves and leaves me glad that he never got that level of control from Soul Coughing, if there's one thing his book nails it's that he was definitely the least talented member of that group (songwriting aside)
― frogbs, Wednesday, 28 November 2012 15:24 (5 months ago) Permalink
just posted on Facebook that he's looking to "revisit" his SC work but done his way, complete with a bunch of "DO NOT TELL ME TO..." statements, this fuckin' guy, trying to have your Cake and eat it too
― frogbs, Wednesday, 23 January 2013 19:07 (3 months ago) Permalink
he's revisiting Cake songs too huh
― Doctor No Cassie (some dude), Wednesday, 23 January 2013 19:09 (3 months ago) Permalink
I really want to imagine an alternate universe where Doughty wound up in Cake and John McCrea in Soul Coughing. I know "chaos theory" and all but I wonder how much really changes.
I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt w/r/t "The Book of Drugs" and his attitude of "do NOT ever mention my former (and much more popular) band to me; BUT if you MUST know you can buy 300 pages of me rambling on about it for $19.99", but if he's going to try to do Soul Coughing songs again after everything he's said, he truly is a prick
― frogbs, Wednesday, 23 January 2013 19:20 (3 months ago) Permalink
there are guys whose ex-bandmates stole their wife or screwed them out of tens of millions of dollars who don't whine year after year after year like this dude. what is the worst thing he even alleges in his book? they consider instrumental composition worthy of songwriting credit? they were mean to him on the tourbus?
― Doctor No Cassie (some dude), Wednesday, 23 January 2013 19:23 (3 months ago) Permalink
Yeah, I've really been struck by the sheer amount of dick from this guy, as if what he brought, let alone melodies/lyrics, was somehow responsible for what little success the band had. SC rhythm section was awesome, sample guy inspired. Doughty ... just the dude rambling. Wouldn't have been SC without him, but his belated, obnoxious credits grab (not to mention his unreliable narrator status as a full-blown drug fiend at the time) is unseemly.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 23 January 2013 19:36 (3 months ago) Permalink
xp - a lot of it is that the band wanted full credit on everything songwriting-wise and for the money to be a 4-way split, while Doughty thought that as songwriter and singer that it should be split 5-ways, with him getting two parts. on Ruby Vroom Doughty actually did get a bigger cut, by the way. as for the rest of them, they didn't want to just be Doughty's backing band and apparently didn't think much of him as a songwriter. there's a lot of space given to individual incidents like De Gli Antoni breaking his headphones, but it's framed to make it look like this is just something he randomly did to be mean, apropos of nothing. he compares it to an abusive marriage, and he writes about it like a dude detailing every single fight he's had in his marriage for the last five years, but only the mean stuff the wife said or did, not what led up to it. he disliked Gabay because he wouldn't play the same drumbeat twice, or something. Steinburg apparently was cheap and shady in his own way. Meanwhile it seems like Doughty was barely a functional person for upwards of two years, not showing up to recording sessions, snapping at everyone, etc. But he does claim that the other guys "ruined" all of the SC records, that they weren't anything like he wanted them to be, so maybe this is what he's talking about now, doing the songs "his" way.
― frogbs, Wednesday, 23 January 2013 19:45 (3 months ago) Permalink
Which is to say, likely shitty.
What's up with De Gli Antoni or Gabay? Steinberg, of course, is an awesome session guy in LA who's done great work with Neil Finn, Jon Brion, Fiona Apple, etc.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 23 January 2013 19:48 (3 months ago) Permalink
my friend who's pals w/ members of the band has kept up with those guys, i remember Mark toured with David Byrne a while back and seems to keep busy, not sure what Yuval's been doing
― Doctor No Cassie (some dude), Wednesday, 23 January 2013 19:50 (3 months ago) Permalink
there's a lot of space given to individual incidents like De Gli Antoni breaking his headphones
wow can't believe he survived those days, sounds like a late period black flag
― My Lol's Beyond (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 23 January 2013 19:58 (3 months ago) Permalink
"Guess Brian won't be breaking me 'eadphones again, ay mate?"
― My Lol's Beyond (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 23 January 2013 20:02 (3 months ago) Permalink
Yeah, I've really been struck by the sheer amount of dick from this guy, as if what he brought, let alone melodies/lyrics, was somehow responsible for what little success the band had. SC rhythm section was awesome, sample guy inspired. Doughty ... just the dude rambling.
Mike's Dubious Luxury album (which I downloaded) really confirmed this for me; that's his electro/experimental album, no vocals, just a bunch of odd quirky stuff, feels like it was put out to prove that it was him, not De Gli Antoni, who was responsible for "that" side of Soul Coughing. And it's awful, just a bunch of canned drum loops and vocal samples, like something a 15-year old kid would bang out over a weekend to try to impress his friends. Like, maybe there's a reason why it's 2013 and he's still rewriting "Lazybones" over and over.
― frogbs, Wednesday, 23 January 2013 20:06 (3 months ago) Permalink
And then when you thought you could escape him
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 January 2013 21:13 (3 months ago) Permalink
i like how he casually mentions he was high during clinton's inauguration... we get it dude u used to do DRUGS
― zero dark (s1ocki), Thursday, 24 January 2013 22:53 (3 months ago) Permalink
his memoir was original titled The Book of Clinton Administration Drugs
― fonkytimez lemonade (some dude), Saturday, 26 January 2013 01:27 (3 months ago) Permalink
mmmmm BACON and DRUGS
― zero dark (s1ocki), Saturday, 26 January 2013 20:47 (3 months ago) Permalink
I guess he was totally wrong about that, oops
― frogbs, Friday, 1 February 2013 19:31 (3 months ago) Permalink