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Like Lou Reed's New York done right but that doesn't mean I find time to listen that often. "Going to Georgia" is heartrending spectacular for sure though.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 17 January 2003 01:38 (12 years ago) Permalink

Nadgers. Road Trip it is, then.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 17 January 2003 01:38 (12 years ago) Permalink

The best-of-Mountain-Goats CD-R I made for a friend a few months ago goes:

1. Cubs in Five
2. Family Happiness
3. The Fall of the Star High School Running Back
4. Going to Port Washington
5. Going to Alaska
6. Going to Marrakesh
7. Golden Boy
8. No Children
9. Billy the Kid’s Dream of the Magic Slippers
10. Itzcuintli-Totzli Days
11. Neon Orange Glimmer Song
12. Anti-Music Song
13. Sept. 19 Triple X Love! Love!
14. No, I Can’t
15. Orange Ball of Hate
16. Are You Cleaning Off the Stone?
17. Standard Bitter Love Song #4
18. Standard Bitter Love Song #8
19. Love Cuts the Strings
20. Seed Song
21. Water Song
22. The Window Song
23. Jam Eater Blues
24. Two Thousand Seasons
25. The Best Ever Death Metal Band from Denton
26. The Sign

Douglas (Douglas), Friday, 17 January 2003 01:54 (12 years ago) Permalink

I really love All Hail West Texas!, The Coroner's Gambit and Zopilote Machine and like most of the others. I get really into them (him, whatever) and listen to nothing else for weeks, then not listen for quite a while.

Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Friday, 17 January 2003 01:57 (12 years ago) Permalink

"He's better than Bob Dylan!" Well, maybe not...

...and maybe yes. Though keep in mind my extremely non-canonical vision of Mr. Dylan. ;-)

the L.A. show is opening for Tortoise which is funny for a whole lotta reasons

Yes it is. The funniest of which will be me spraying the crowd with whipped cream and silly string before Tor-Twah take the stage to forcibly loosen them up and make them laugh. Then I'll do the same to the band.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 17 January 2003 02:14 (12 years ago) Permalink

You can hear an interview (including, I think, his cover of "The Sign") here:

just this guy you know, Friday, 17 January 2003 02:37 (12 years ago) Permalink

I like the songs on All Hail West Texas a lot, but the sound quality is so shitty (I know, there's an aesthetic at work there) that I can't play any of it on the radio (there's an aesthetic there TOO), and that makes me mad.
How's the sound on the other stuff?

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 17 January 2003 03:23 (12 years ago) Permalink

Dude, Tortoise doesn't need Darnielle to laugh, that's the reason they had Kevin Drumm open for them on their last tour!

I have no further contribution to make to this thread.

hstencil, Friday, 17 January 2003 04:07 (12 years ago) Permalink

Tortoise fans can laugh? They must have learned from all the derisive snickering I direct towards 'em.

JS Williams (js williams), Friday, 17 January 2003 04:23 (12 years ago) Permalink

Naw they hired him so they could laugh. They could care less whether their fans do or not.

Okay, I'm swearing off this thread before I "bring the negativity" to Darnielle LoveFest '03.

hstencil, Friday, 17 January 2003 04:26 (12 years ago) Permalink

At the risk of embarrassing myself in front of the man himself, pretty much every release has great moments, & there's a lot of them. Guess I tend to lean towards the early (_Hot Garden Stomp_, _Hound Dog Chronicles_) & late (_Full Force..._, _Coroners..._) periods.

Live it's a lot of fun (even when kicked off stage & forced to play on the pavement outside the venue). Can't wait till the forthcoming UK gigs & SxSW show, 'cos it's been a long time.

Enough already.

Wondering Boy Poet, Friday, 17 January 2003 13:50 (12 years ago) Permalink

Wow, Mountain Goats John here, never knew.

Loved your cover of "I saw the Sign"

David Allen, Friday, 17 January 2003 14:37 (12 years ago) Permalink

Ned should spray the Tortoise fans with Faygo and scream "CLOWN LUV!!!!" over and over.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 17 January 2003 14:46 (12 years ago) Permalink

i feel dumb trying to post to this thread when mr d himself is around, but here goes all the same...

horace, mostly similar, but the newest album "tallahassee" has a much more polished full band and studio production, and there are surely songs on there that you could play on the radio. john peel gets away with it, anyway, but that may not seem any guarantee of radio-friendly production. (i wasn't sure i liked it as much as the other albums i have at first but it's really grown on me.)

i say YES to "cubs in five" and "best ever death metal band out of denton" and i note that "anti-music song" is on that best-of cdr and that i kind of like it myself and never thought it implied any real dislike of morrissey, whom i quite like, on john's part. i only have a few of the albums and i can't really pick a favourite out of them, they're all good.

, Friday, 17 January 2003 15:45 (12 years ago) Permalink

Ned should spray the Tortoise fans with Faygo and scream "CLOWN LUV!!!!" over and over.

That really would be the best thing that could ever happen to a Tortoise fan.

Nicole (Nicole), Friday, 17 January 2003 16:18 (12 years ago) Permalink

I only have one Moutain Goats song but I like it a lot. "The Last Day of Jimi Hendrix' Life" on a 'zine 7-inch. You keep waiting for some revelation but it turns out on that day all Jimi did was drink some water & hang around. I love that. I need to get some Mountain Goats, anyway.

Mark (MarkR), Friday, 17 January 2003 16:28 (12 years ago) Permalink

Ned should spray the Tortoise fans with Faygo and scream "CLOWN LUV!!!!" over and over.

I HAVE A VISION. I thank the Holy Prophet Dan for showing the way and Nicole for the encouragement.

[Likely enough I will simply do the honorable thing and leave after the Goats take their bow, thus beating the traffic -- assuming whoever I'm with wants to leave as well.]

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 17 January 2003 16:41 (12 years ago) Permalink

Aww, I would be happy to ship you the Faygo -- I think it is a worthy project.

Nicole (Nicole), Friday, 17 January 2003 23:23 (12 years ago) Permalink

raggy 2 dope

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 17 January 2003 23:35 (12 years ago) Permalink

unless you pronounce it "Ra-jay", Ned.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 17 January 2003 23:37 (12 years ago) Permalink

Nope. It's Irish not French, so you got it right.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 18 January 2003 04:13 (12 years ago) Permalink

saw them live in london at the ICA. I enjoyed it.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 18 January 2003 16:05 (12 years ago) Permalink

i hadn't realized how well known he was until this new album came out and there's reviews everywhere (fairly good write up in todays london times,for example,which suggests that the mountain goats could be this years flaming lips,in terms of crossover appeal)(a lot of people probably wouldn't see that as a compliment,but i was surprised that their profile was that high)
initially i heard of them and thought oh,that guy from ilx with that last plane to jakarta site has a band now?
i'm curious now,i must look into getting some of the stuff recommended upthread...

robin (robin), Saturday, 18 January 2003 16:25 (12 years ago) Permalink

Today's Times: The Mountain Goats: set to be this year's The Flaming Lips.

Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 18 January 2003 22:17 (12 years ago) Permalink

my new fave band, as of two days ago! are any of the live shows floating around on soulseek worth getting?

toby (tsg20), Monday, 20 January 2003 08:51 (12 years ago) Permalink

i like the flashing lights song a lot

liz p. (lizjoydiv), Monday, 20 January 2003 08:59 (12 years ago) Permalink

So are the Mountain Goats going to have to retire "Cubs In Five" now that the Tampa Bay Bucs have, indeed, made it all the way to January?

God, I hope not.

mike a (mike a), Monday, 20 January 2003 14:56 (12 years ago) Permalink

CFBX 92.5 FM, 5 Watts
Kamloops, BC
Charts to January 31, 2003

3) Mountain Goats - Tallahassee (4AD)

Poppy (poppy), Saturday, 1 February 2003 23:26 (12 years ago) Permalink

from norman records-

4AD are going exactly the same way as original, life affirmingly INDEPENDENT allies Mute by signing pretty hopeless bands. If The Mountain Goats are the new Pixies then that pig really DID just fly past the window. More up Clint's street are these and even he thinks they're a bit pants. The band's new CD, 'Tallahassee' is out this week. Supposedly their 12th album, previous efforts have been on little US indies, this 4AD debut is average alt-country tinged lo-fi strum rock. Some might find some nuggets of gold up in them thar mountains but all I found were some old Yak droppings. Gorgeous packaging like but the words 'polish' and 'turd' spring to mind (again)....

keith (keithmcl), Sunday, 2 February 2003 00:20 (12 years ago) Permalink

John: Play Portland. Come play Portland. There are a bunch of us planning on driving down for the upcoming SF show but, really, it would be nice to see you without driving 9 hours... So, in summation, come play Portland.


Thank you.

Also, if you play Portland, please play "Golden Boy", as it would mean a lot to my roommate/bandmate, who sings it to her godson to get him to go to sleep, and is anyway one of your absolute best songs, even better than "Fresh Berries For You".

Chris P (Chris P), Sunday, 2 February 2003 04:17 (12 years ago) Permalink

Oh, and for the people wondering where to start: I say just go with All Hail West Texas! You'll love the first song and want to put it on a mix tape right away. Also there's a song on it called "Riches and Wonders" which will heart fall into your toes. And when the song is over, and you are a puddle of curious and hauting emotions on the floor, John will look up from the Panasonic and say, "Oh, you liked that one? Wait, let me play you this other song I just whipped off..." and then "The Mess Inside" will start playing and you will hate him for writing such beautiful songs and rubbing them in your face.

There. I am done being such a fanboy. Oh, except to note my friend's observation about how awkward it is to scream out "ABSOLUTE LITHOPS EFFECT!" as a concert request.

Chris P (Chris P), Sunday, 2 February 2003 04:23 (12 years ago) Permalink

MY favourite song of the ones i´ve heard yet is The Best Ever Death Metal Band from Denton and the cover of The sign have been on a lot of mixtapes.
I hope i don´t miss you when you play Sweden in like two weeks

Jens (brighter), Sunday, 2 February 2003 19:12 (12 years ago) Permalink

don't worry keith - Phil only seems to like electronica and krautrock..

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Sunday, 2 February 2003 22:36 (12 years ago) Permalink

actually I love the mountain goats records I have but the one song I heard fromt he new one sounded, worryingly, a bit like Live.

keith (keithmcl), Monday, 3 February 2003 01:36 (12 years ago) Permalink

What?! Any idea which song it was?

Chris P (Chris P), Monday, 3 February 2003 08:28 (12 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...
sssshhhhh, I'm trying to whisper it so J0hn can't hear me...I got Tallahassee about a week ago (my first MG purchase), and I love it. I would ask for more reccommendations, but I'll just follow the advice upthread. I also started reading Last Plane To Jakarta after he linked to that great Comets On Fire piece about PAs in shopping malls. Class.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Saturday, 10 May 2003 14:04 (11 years ago) Permalink

I'm trying to whisper it so J0hn can't hear me


Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 10 May 2003 14:24 (11 years ago) Permalink

I love jOhn, but is it official I'm the only Ilxor who's actively admitted they're not really a big Mountain Goats fan yet?

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 10 May 2003 16:17 (11 years ago) Permalink

I really enjoy Last Plane to Jakarta, and I really enjoy Tallahassee. I need more mtn goats. More old stuff with tape hiss. Where can I gat some?

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Saturday, 10 May 2003 16:30 (11 years ago) Permalink is one place with the three comps of hissy compilation, cassette, etc tracks.

jack cole (jackcole), Saturday, 10 May 2003 16:51 (11 years ago) Permalink

I love jOhn, but is it official I'm the only Ilxor who's actively admitted they're not really a big Mountain Goats fan yet?

i was a pretty big fan in high school with a couple tapes, an lp and a cd but i haven't had much of an urge to listen to any of it in at least four or five years and haven't heard anything since sweden or nothing for juice.

i still get a little thrill when i see j*hn's name come up on a thread though. feels like hollywood.

brian badword (badwords), Saturday, 10 May 2003 22:20 (11 years ago) Permalink

psst--don't tell anyone, but I'm going to see TMG for the first time when he opens for Lifter motherfucking Puller June 6 in Minneapolis (am attending all three LP shows thankyouverymuch). I hope he doesn't bash me over his head w/his guitar for calling him a terrorist on MTV2.

M Matos (M Matos), Saturday, 10 May 2003 22:24 (11 years ago) Permalink

I suppose if I want to see that show I should go get in line right now. Advance tickets are sold out already.

Dan I., Saturday, 10 May 2003 22:58 (11 years ago) Permalink

And you know people are seriously going to come from all over the country and stuff. damn lifter puller and all their post-mortem press!

Dan I., Saturday, 10 May 2003 22:59 (11 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...
i wonder if we'll ever get to hear the "behind the music" story of rachel...

this is all i know: perfect harmony, great bassplaying, takes the lead on "going to queens".

also what reggae song is the snippet from the beginning of "sept 19 triple x love! love!" from?

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 15 August 2003 18:54 (11 years ago) Permalink

ha ha TS: TMG vs. TMBG!!!!

(ps J0hn somehow I hadn't heard this stuff for long time but am now the proud owner of All Hail West Texas which is friggin fabulous and really helped me not feel like a reanimated corpse yesterday morning)

nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 15 August 2003 19:06 (11 years ago) Permalink

yes, I am an ass.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 15 August 2003 19:12 (11 years ago) Permalink

umm, john, if you ever come to new orleans, i promise i'll get as many people as i can get to go, as it's not too hard to convert people into MG fandom. Also, if you'd like, i could get together a few friends to open for you as an MG cover band, perhaps "the hospital bombers." of course, we wouldnt just be acoustic. about 1/3 of the time i spend listening to your music is spent giddily re-arranging the song for a different genre. its very exciting. so get down here already. BTW when's the new album coming out?

Felcher (Felcher), Friday, 15 August 2003 19:17 (11 years ago) Permalink

(i'm sorry for reviving this)

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 15 August 2003 19:22 (11 years ago) Permalink

ps J0hn somehow I hadn't heard this stuff for long time but am now the proud owner of All Hail West Texas which is friggin fabulous and really helped me not feel like a reanimated corpse yesterday morning

Hurrah for Nickalicious! A fine album, is it not? It and Tallahassee are nicely complementary without being specifically paired.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 15 August 2003 21:22 (11 years ago) Permalink


Andrew Farrell, Friday, 10 April 2015 23:39 (1 week ago) Permalink

xpost Yeah, after All Eternals Deck, Transcental Youth, and Wolf In White Van, seems like he wanted to take it in a different direction.

dow, Friday, 10 April 2015 23:45 (1 week ago) Permalink

"Werewolf Gimmick," though, might be the closest that Darnielle has come so far to writing what could conceivably become an actual metal song.

True identity = surf song.

louie louie whoa baby imago (how's life), Monday, 13 April 2015 10:37 (5 days ago) Permalink

lots of that old black metal stuff gives me kind of a dick dale picking vibe

kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 13 April 2015 17:01 (5 days ago) Permalink

... please, tell me more

bernard snowy, Monday, 13 April 2015 18:16 (5 days ago) Permalink

British Isles dates announced today for November, including the O2

... Shepherd's Bush Empire.

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 13 April 2015 18:35 (5 days ago) Permalink

"The next Mountain Goats record will be about wrestling" - I am 100% on board with this.

"The next Mountain Goats record will be 50% jazzier" - uhhhhh

― Andrew Farrell, Friday, April 10, 2015 4:00 AM (3 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Totally the reverse for me!

jaymc, Monday, 13 April 2015 18:47 (5 days ago) Permalink

lots of that old black metal stuff gives me kind of a dick dale picking vibe

― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, April 13, 2015 12:01 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

... please, tell me more

― bernard snowy, Monday, April 13, 2015 1:16 PM (57 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Basics Of Black Metal
author: Morgal date: 04/23/2009 category: music styles
rating: 9.4 / votes: 34

black metal:

Hi readers! I wrote this article because I would like to help for beginners who already know the basic metal music techniques but want to learn the basics of black metal guitar playing. I playing black metal music for years and I have realized many things about this style of guitar playing. My lesson is about the 2nd generation of black metal (it's the 90s).I don't like the early black metal music (except Bathory by Quorthon). I think the early "black metal" music is rather heavy metal music with dark lyrics than black metal. The 2nd generation of black metal has begun with bands like Darkthrone, Mayhem, Burzum etc. To play in this style I recommend tune your guitar to standard tuning. The black metal guitar playing is mainly based on tremolo picking. It's very important technique. The most beginner guitar player cannot perform this correctly. In black metal you have to follow the blast drum beat with tremolo picking. The key to master this technique is: you have to do the up and down strokes ONLY with your wrist. Never use your arm, only the wrist moving. To play accurate with this technique, you have to stay your wrist somewhere. I tries many variations, but I think the best for me is when I play on the E-A-D string my wrist stay on the thinner strings ( G-H-E), when I play on the G-H-E strings my wrist stay on the thicker strings (E-A-D). Black metal songs' tempo is from 140bpm (Mayhem, Nargaroth, Gorgoroth) up to 200+bpm (Satyricon, Dark Funeral, Dimmu Borgir). First time practice with slower songs here comes two details of famous songs from Darkthrone and Mayhem.

dick dale (from guitar player):

Recorded by his band the Del-Tones in 1961, Dick Dale’s earliest signature instrumental “Let’s Go Trippin’” is widely considered the first surf-rock song. While it contained none of his soon-to-be trademark tremolo picking style (more on that in a minute), the song resonated with the California beach crowd and climbed the charts to #4 regionally....

tremolo picking (he even titled a song on 1994’s Unknown Territory after it) certainly lives up to its name. Dick Dale’s single most famous signature move has to be his semi-muted, trem-picked even glissandi up or down the low E string. To illustrate, try using Ex. 4a as either a one-bar pickup, or dropping it into the last bar of a song’s progression, which essentially creates the same effect. Next, Ex. 4b’s Terra Dicktyl intro riff comes on strong with non-tremmed, descending chromatic eighth-notes on beats one and three of each measure interspersed with trem-picked, open-E dotted quarters acting as pedal points.

the technique is pretty similiar obvious the musical vocabulary/sound very different but that always stuck out to me.

now this is different than everything that I was told from guitar mags during the trash metal era, black metal's tremelo picking is a distinct break from bands like Slayer who always made a big deal about using ONLY the wiki entry on "downpicking"

Downpicking, sometimes referred to as Downstroke picking, is the technique used by musicians that perform on plucked string instruments in which the plectrum, or pick, is moved in a downward motion, relative to the position of the instrument, against one or more of the strings to make them vibrate. If downstrokes are played without the addition of upstrokes (as in alternate picking), the tip of the pick never comes in contact with the strings during the time the hand is moving back up to repeat the downstroke.


Extremely fast eighth-note downstroke picking was used in the mid 70's and beyond by famous punk guitarist Johnny Ramone, who used the technique to play full live shows at fast tempos (usually around 180 to 200 bpm). This required extreme levels of stamina, but produced a very high-energy, aggressive sound. This extremely demanding, then-uncommon and somewhat innovative style contributed to Johnny Ramone's reputation as a legendary guitar player, and it influenced many now-famous rock guitarists. Downstroke picking has become a common technique in metal and thrash rhythm playing, notably exemplified by Metallica's James Hetfield, Megadeth's Dave Mustaine, Slayer's Kerry King, and Anthrax's Scott Ian among others. The popular, easily recognized guitar work of Metallica's "Master of Puppets" is almost entirely played using downstroked eighth-notes at a tempo of 212 BPM (about 7 downstrokes per second).

kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 13 April 2015 19:22 (5 days ago) Permalink

hey dow, rasslin' is not a sport.

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Monday, 13 April 2015 19:49 (5 days ago) Permalink

I forget if this has been covered here, but the deluxe vinyl that sold out immediately at the label's site is available in some record stores. I picked up my copy today.

That shit right there is precedented. (cryptosicko), Monday, 13 April 2015 19:50 (5 days ago) Permalink

This is definitely more of a downstroking affair. I was really thinking about the drums though.

louie louie whoa baby imago (how's life), Monday, 13 April 2015 23:17 (5 days ago) Permalink

yeah I thought that's what you were driving at -- hence my confusion over UMS making the surfrock/blackmetal connection [via guitar-playing style that isn't on the song in question]

bernard snowy, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 04:35 (4 days ago) Permalink

& really the most metal-feeling part of the song (to me) isn't the rockabillyish verses so much as the fist-pumping singalong chorus

bernard snowy, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 04:43 (4 days ago) Permalink

sad face about missing tonight's show

DJP, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 17:57 (4 days ago) Permalink


Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Tuesday, 14 April 2015 18:46 (4 days ago) Permalink

The Mountain GoatsVerified account

That @nyctaper show I just RT'd is one of the most fun shows we've ever played btw so grab it


Anson Burtch

RT @nyctaper: @mountain_goats April 12, 2015 City Winery –

dow, Thursday, 16 April 2015 14:49 (2 days ago) Permalink

awesome. made a spotify playlist if you want to quickly organize the setlist after you download.

And let’s say a new Hozier comes along, and Spotify outbids you (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 16 April 2015 17:52 (2 days ago) Permalink

the previous night was really fun too. my sister went and had a blast. there's a great cover in this set whose provenance I won't spoil here because the way JD announces it in the set is perfect.

louie louie whoa baby imago (how's life), Friday, 17 April 2015 08:46 (Yesterday) Permalink

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