Artists who appear to be conservative/right-wing at heart, yet are mostly lauded by liberals/leftists.

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You may wish to check out some of Styles' views on homosexuality.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 2 January 2006 22:09 (eighteen years ago) link


How can liberals watch justify giving their money to right-wing art?

patrick bateman (mickeygraft), Monday, 2 January 2006 22:27 (eighteen years ago) link

You may wish to check out some of Styles' views on homosexuality.

ah, point taken.

kingfish holiday travesty (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 2 January 2006 22:33 (eighteen years ago) link

You might want to check out Burrough's views on women.

Bob Six (bobbysix), Monday, 2 January 2006 22:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Tom Stoppard.

A|ex P@reene (Pareene), Monday, 2 January 2006 22:45 (eighteen years ago) link

tre parker + mat stone

mark p (Mark P), Monday, 2 January 2006 23:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Cormac McCarthy, based on a profile of him in Vanity Fair last year.

Eazy (Eazy), Monday, 2 January 2006 23:14 (eighteen years ago) link

P.J. O'Rourke

Super Cub (Debito), Monday, 2 January 2006 23:23 (eighteen years ago) link

no way is Burroughs right-wing - he was a mysogynist who liked guns, sure, but he was appalled by the state apparatus, by the corrupt rich, by Christianity, by puritanism, by racism, by homophobia, by conservatism, ad infinitum.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 2 January 2006 23:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Mark P OTM

Also, doesn't Vincent Gallo claim to be a conservative?

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Monday, 2 January 2006 23:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Vincent Gallo believes in racial purity. Seriously.

GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 00:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Vincent Gallo believes in racial purity. Seriously.

Vincent Gallo to jerk off, sell sperm [but not to darkies]

GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 00:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Johnny Cash (beloved by all?)

Just cos he was a Christian doesn't make him right wing. This was an artist who promoted the rights of Native Americans, opposed Vietnam and the Iraq war. Despite being "saved" he never became sanctimonious.

stew!, Tuesday, 3 January 2006 00:06 (eighteen years ago) link

fyodor dostoyevsky

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 00:09 (eighteen years ago) link

I love it when ILM goes on one of its witch hunts.

My contribution to the blacklist and I"m surprised it hasn't been said: Bob Dylan

shookout (shookout), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 00:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Larry David (Curb Your Enthusiasm etc).

Wogan Lenin (dog latin), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 00:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes, a witch hunt. Clearly none of us will ever watch another David Lynch film.

I'm not convinced that Gallo believes any of the racialist nonsense that he says.

Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 00:21 (eighteen years ago) link

He writes for Vice, which is crime against humanity enough.

GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 00:28 (eighteen years ago) link

The guy's a dirtbag, but I suspect everything he says (from the racialist crap to 'redheads smell funny' to wishing cancer on Ebert) is just part of his artistic persona. Or maybe he's nuts and really believes all of it, but that's just difficult to believe.

Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 00:34 (eighteen years ago) link

I suspect everything he says is just part of his artistic persona

so? does that somehow make it better?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 00:37 (eighteen years ago) link

or, what purpose does his artistic persona serve other than his own?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 00:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes, saying stupid things to be outrageous is annoying, but nothing like actually holding white-supremacist views.

Maybe if Gallo had a bigger stage, where anyone but Vice fanboys and Chloe Sevigny gave a damn about his views, it would be a bigger deal. But he is, ultimately, a nobody.

Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 00:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Results 1 - 10 of about 634,000 for "david duke".
Results 1 - 10 of about 823,000 for "vincent gallo".

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 00:50 (eighteen years ago) link

If David Duke got an onscreen blowjob, I'm sure he'd have more results.

Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 00:53 (eighteen years ago) link

VG spent quite some time in my company a few years ago and never came out with any neocon shite. We mostly talked about women artists and how he thought Jenny Holzer was a lot cooler than Barbara Kruger. I think he does like to wind people up based on what he thinks will upset the status quo of whatever group, and is merely oppositional on purpose. However I think Matthew Barney might be a little bit to the right of where most people assume he is.

NO FUCKING WAY was Johnny Cash conservative. He basically looked at Xtianity as a force for redemption and was the sole Xtian on the planet that I ever had any respect for.

suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 01:20 (eighteen years ago) link

isn't larry david like the ultimate hollywood leftie and democrat?

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 01:35 (eighteen years ago) link

sorry, lefty

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 01:35 (eighteen years ago) link

these threads always seem like witch hunts to me anyway

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 01:36 (eighteen years ago) link

and i happen to know for a fact that vincent gallo feels the same way.

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 01:36 (eighteen years ago) link

David's contributions since the '00 race: http://www.newsmeat.com/celebrity_political_donations/Larry_David.php (all Democrats)

Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 01:37 (eighteen years ago) link

i dunno, Curb just seems to be him getting ratty and irritated by people all the time. I don't know why I get a sort of right-wing vibe from him.

Wogan Lenin (dog latin), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 01:41 (eighteen years ago) link

so you just deemed him right-wing because he plays an irritable character in a TV show?

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 01:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Larry David is most certainly left wing.

Even in Curb Your Enthusiasm, there's an episode where he gets a new dog that barks at black people and causes him all manner of embarassment, and makes some remarks that have his status as "friend o' lesbians" retracted, all while wearing a bow tie which causes someone to call him "Tucker Carlson over there". There's also another episode where he's about to start making out with a gorgeous fellow co-star of The Producers but then notices a picture of George Bush on her dresser, asks her if she's a republican (she is), gets disgusted and has to leave.

Andrew (enneff), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 01:52 (eighteen years ago) link

but... the vibe!!!

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 01:53 (eighteen years ago) link

How can it be a witch hunt when the premise of the thread is artists who are "mostly lauded by liberals", despite their personal politics? That sounds like...whatever the opposite of a witch hunt is. Unless you're hunting witches just so you can tell them how much you dig their work.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 01:53 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't see Salvador Dali mentioned yet.

This would be more interesting going the other way - supposedly right-wing (but not really) artists that get shunned by leftists. The only one I can think of off the top of my head is Lynrd Skynrd.

Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 01:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Robert Heinlein

truck-patch pixel farmer (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 02:26 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm a leftist who loves Skynyrd, but wasn't the band (except maybe some left leaning from Van Zant) pretty apolitical and aren't the surviving members Bush-endorsing?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 02:32 (eighteen years ago) link

T.S. Eliot, Evelyn Waugh, Robert Bresson, and Philip Larkin to thread!

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 02:34 (eighteen years ago) link

for those exotic amongst us w/ exotic tastes: gabriele d'annunzio (who, among other things, wrote the futurist manifesto and staged a fascist takeover of a city disputed b/w italy and yugoslavia); thomas mann (who at least hated the nazis); leni von riefenstahl.

thumbs up to milo re salvador dali (who vladimir nabokov once called
"the spanish norman rockwell" [though mr. rockwell himself was somewhat left-leaning]).

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 02:54 (eighteen years ago) link

marinetti wrote the futurist manifesto

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 03:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Do leftists laud Riefenstahl? I can't get past the fact that she's an evil Nazi cunt (and her photography that I've seen is some Aryan-ideal-in-Africa shit).

Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 03:14 (eighteen years ago) link

As to Skynrd - at worst apolitical, but often expressing a down-home blue-collar populism, never right-wing (as a lot of people seem to think of them - just a bunch of backwards rednecks, etc.). The surviving members might be Bushies, I guess, but I try not to think about the post-crash L-S.

Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 03:17 (eighteen years ago) link

I like Tucker Carlson more than I like the dude from Arkansas, because I can never understand what he is talking about.

Freud Junior, Third Cousin to Chuck Norris (Freud Junior), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 03:21 (eighteen years ago) link

marinetti wrote the futurist manifesto

i stand corrected. marinetti didn't invade fiume, tho'.

others: john ford (or at least certain french lefty film-lovers did). lee ving (alex in nyc to thread!) morrissey.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 03:33 (eighteen years ago) link

a slight thread diversion: i would SO love for some rapper to take this blue velvet dialogue -- "I'll send you a love letter! Straight from my heart, fucker! You know what a love letter is? It's a bullet from a fucking gun, fucker! You recieve a love letter from me, and you're fucked forever! You understand, fuck? I'll send you straight to hell, fucker!" -- and either quote it or use the soundbite, the same way that they've used scarface soundbites and quotes.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 03:35 (eighteen years ago) link

speaking of:

50 Cent

Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 03:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Knut Hamsun and Louis-Ferdinand Celine.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 03:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Gertrude Stein

Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 03:53 (eighteen years ago) link

I like Tucker Carlson more than I like the dude from Arkansas, because I can never understand what he is talking about.

Are you talking about Johnny Cash? And did you know that Tucker Carlson was once a contributing editor to the right-wing Arkansas Democrat-Gazette?

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 04:09 (eighteen years ago) link

evidence for p cook/b butler plz.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 13 July 2006 11:24 (seventeen years ago) link

two years pass...

Frank Miller used to be like this, but I'm pretty sure most of his leftist fans have abandoned him by now.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 7 April 2009 21:51 (fifteen years ago) link

That reminds me - I'd like to reread those Martha Washington books again at some point. What was the deal with those?

Nhex, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 03:52 (fifteen years ago) link

eleven years pass...

Billy Corgan?

Tuomas, Friday, 2 October 2020 06:18 (three years ago) link

the answer to this is miranda lambert

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, 2 October 2020 06:27 (three years ago) link

Mort Walker!


I miss Scott. Nobody picked up on his (tongue in cheek) implication that liberals love Beetle Bailey and Hägar the Hörrible.

Boring, Maryland, Friday, 2 October 2020 16:19 (three years ago) link

FP'd you for Dik Browne erasure

erratic wolf angular guitarist (sic), Friday, 2 October 2020 18:10 (three years ago) link

Jorge Luis Borges is one that immediately comes to mind, though his politics mostly aren't evident in his writing. I can't imagine most conservatives have read him, let alone heard of him.

american primitive stylophone (zchyrs), Friday, 2 October 2020 18:13 (three years ago) link

The above stuff about Lynch from 2006 is very interesting in the light of 2020, particularly the stuff equating "family values" with conservatism. Though cons always paid lip-service to such values, I can think of few things more corrosive to family values than capitalism.

american primitive stylophone (zchyrs), Friday, 2 October 2020 18:17 (three years ago) link

shows how the perception right and left has changed so significantly the last 10 years ( also to the point where I'm wondering whether Bill Hicks isn't creeping closer to a valid answer here)

thomasintrouble, Friday, 2 October 2020 18:21 (three years ago) link

Bill Hicks would have been a Berniebro.

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Friday, 2 October 2020 18:28 (three years ago) link

Norm Macdonald seems to be the most obvious answer to this thread right now

frogbs, Friday, 2 October 2020 18:30 (three years ago) link

The above stuff about Lynch from 2006 is very interesting in the light of 2020, particularly the stuff equating "family values" with conservatism. Though cons always paid lip-service to such values, I can think of few things more corrosive to family values than capitalism.

Lynch is so into families that he's had four of them

(and started at least two of those by cheating on then ghosting a previous partner or wife aiui)

erratic wolf angular guitarist (sic), Friday, 2 October 2020 19:23 (three years ago) link

Damn, I didn't know that. X reference with the "separating the art from the artist" thread.

american primitive stylophone (zchyrs), Friday, 2 October 2020 19:30 (three years ago) link

Bill Hicks would have been a Berniebro.


Nah he’d be a corona truther.

Boring, Maryland, Friday, 2 October 2020 20:12 (three years ago) link

I'd suggest H.L. Mencken, even though his politics were all over the place by today's definitions. "At heart" he seems conservative.

Josefa, Friday, 2 October 2020 20:19 (three years ago) link

and unless I’m misremembering p gd racist

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Friday, 2 October 2020 20:42 (three years ago) link

you're not misremembering

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, 2 October 2020 21:07 (three years ago) link

Nah he’d be a corona truther.

I don't know how the guy who talked like this gets lumped into the reactionary bin -" Take all that money we spend on weapons and defenses each year and instead spend it feeding and clothing and educating the poor of the world, which it would pay for many times over, not one human being excluded, and we could explore space, together, both inner and outer, forever, in peace."

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Monday, 5 October 2020 02:11 (three years ago) link


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