Boulder the "most liberal city" in Colorado?

Sgs, I kinda feel the Denver vibe, and I

Anyhow what I was saying is that I really like Denver now, and I feel like it's a pretty cool place, but when people visit I start to feel self-conscious about it, like it's not as RADICAL as I originally thought. I definitely like it here better than I did when I lived here before (February of 2003 through September 2003).

Although Lost Lake is going to be no more in 2 months time which is going to make Denver 100x lamer.

I was sad to leave, there were things about it I really loved, people and my 'hood, but the suckassness of DU and how much I hated teaching cast an unfortunate pall over my time, especially after I'd spent so much effort moving there. I still think it's a pretty cool place though, it felt like half-town, half-city sometimes, with mostly the good parts of each. As in, there are plenty of good and great things but it's as if you have to know to look for them in a way, they're not on display as much as they are in a larger city.

I'd like to visit there again. I didn't do as much as I could've there--didn't go to the art museum, or any museums really, which is nuts 'cuz I heart museums. It must've been a weird time in my life.

Have any of y'all been to that restaurant up the mountain outside Boulder? the Flagstaff Inn I guess it's called? We were on too tight a budget and too underdressed but it looked cool.

:(

Denver is probably a bit more expensive than Chicago, but not much more.

It's funny -- I've heard people say it's expensive to live there but it didn't seem too bad in general. Or are you talking rent? I meant to check out housing prices there but didn't get around to it. I didn't really get the traffic thing either ... at least, Boulder seems almost too small to really have a bad traffic problem, no? Maybe we weren't driving at peak times though. The buses seemed to come by really frequently.

Last time I was there, aside from driving through, (which was uh 1996, to visit some friends at the University) there seemed to be a disproportionate number of young "liberal" well-to-do post-hippie Phishheads in SUVs (before SUVs were SUVs, actually) that appeared to be taking narcisism to a new level. But, indeed, this is probably a stereotype.

I have a friend who lives near Boulder that I visit now and again and he lives an idyllic life up in the mountains. I'm jealous about that.

My rent is pretty damn cheap. I think it's a renter's market here. To buy a house is pretty ridiculous, but I think that's pretty much everywhere. I pay $475 all utilities included for a washington park 1-bedroom (it's tiny, though). Groceries are the only thing that seem overpriced to me.

Boulder is far more expensive compared to Denver. I think most one bedroom apartments are $700-1000 where they are probably $450-900 in Denver (depending on neighborhood and etc.)

in other news, thank fucking god Pete Coors didn't get elected to Senate, though there's a running bet going on in my family on how long it'll take Salazar to switch sides.

So, I'm going to be in Boulder for a summer internship. A friend of mine who grew up in Denver says that Boulder is sort of a hippie town. I'm prepared for that, though, I think. It's all about what kind of hippie town it is. I'm in Ithaca right now, which leans toward the burnt out hippie side. As long as Boulder isn't full of people stumbling in and out of the bong shop, staring distantly and muttering things at my shoes, it should be alright.

Every third craig's list post in the subleasing section goes out of its way to mention that they are "420 friendly".

oh, ZS do you know this girl:

http://photos-d.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v107/72/81/43300184/n43300184_30531059_1299.jpg

if you wanna get high give me a call ZS

boulder is okay. i mean, it's real pretty. but there's something about it that is slightly depressing. like, all my old co-workers would go on hikes after happy hour and go running during lunch.

also that movie 'catch and release' was set in boulder and it was terrible.

Ha, I know that girl AND that guy. That's Greg, right? I see him pretty often at Korova, although he always gives me that look like "what's that dudes name? oh well.."

The girl I met a few weeks ago, I think, when some people came over to our house after the Excepter show.

Might definitely take you up on that homosexual II.

Oh wait, that's not Greg. God I'm a dufus today. But he works at No Radio, correct?

You'll be fine in Boulder. Lotsa people from Ithica there. It's hippie rep is pretty overblown these days. It's more of a rich, white liberal town now, with a healthy dollop of granola. If you're not into XTREME sports, it can be a pretty boring place. We moved to Denver.

Make sure you listen to Radio 1190!

I'm in Boulder now.

I'm in a kind of crazy living situation. I'm living with other guy, but he's best friends with all of his neighbors, and they've knocked down the fences in their backyards so it's like an open community area. I have been smoked up like fifty times since I got here yesterday, and have been offered a margarita by a stranger not once but twice.

The roommate and his friends are nice, but they probably think I'm a weirdo. I played them the Santana Shredz video, and they didn't think it was that funny. Then one of them was like "Why don't we watch a REAL Santana song?" and before I knew it we were watching Santana live at Woodstock 1969. Admittedly, that Woodstock footage was pretty cool. But the thing is, they weren't looking for woodstock footage. They were looking for ANY Santana footage. And I'm already getting really sick of listening to Sublime. They're still cool dudes though. My roommate says "Yeah, right?" anytime he agrees with someone else, which is endearing.

Anyway, Mandee (or anyone else in Boulder) send me an email if you want.

yikes, Sublime!

Emailing you ZS.

also reply to mandee wright at gmail dot com - the email address im registered under is defunct.

omg boulder is my least favorite place in the world

The Honorable Stanley Fish

the email address im registered under is defunct.

Ooooh, that makes sense. I sent you a few emails the other day, but it's better that they went to a defunct email address because they were written the night before I took the flight out here, and I was in a crazy situation where I didn't know the exact address of the place I'm subleasing at, and the subleaser was in Utah mountainbiking and couldn't be reached by telephone. So I sent you a message like "Umm...I'm really sorry, but there's maybe a 2% chance I might need a favor from you as soon as I get into Boulder".

I'm leaving for the first day at my internship now, but I'll be sure to check my email later.

Jhoshea - the key in life is to start your way at the very bottom and gradually work your way up, and that way everywhere you go seems like an improvement. This is why I was fortunate, in retrospect, to grow up in a shitty tiny town in rural Missouri. Because hey - at least Boulder has mountains and stuff.

yah i have deep and abiding love for the colorado rockies - and a number of people im quite fond of live in boulder - still it is my nemecity

uh anyway yr just there for an internship right

I can really appreciate Boulder now that I live in Denver and am only there once a week.

Denver is way better than Boulder, though!

But it takes a few years before one can see its charm.

ive only ever spent a few days in denver - i liked it tho

i think boulder would be awesome if it weren't for all the people

everyone says it was amazing in the 70s

i think a lot of colorado was amazing in the 60s-70s. e.g. Aspen, when Hunter was running for sheriff.

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u33/icedcake/HunterSeason1front400x286pixcels.jpg

In response to the original thread question: I lived in Boulder for a time and yeah, like others have noted above, how liberal can a place actually be when it is largely a haven for the super-rich? Like Ann Arbor, another town in which I have lived, there is plenty of leftist hand-wringing being performed over California Sirah and expensive vegetarian cuisine, but I imagine there is also a lot of secret appreciation for capital gains tax cuts and supercheap Mexican labor. Also, at least as of the late 90's, about 70% of those same people commuted to Denver every day in gigantic SUVs. Everyone else seemed to own a Saab, for some reason.

Ann Arbor and Boulder are a far cry from the hotbeds of anti-establishment activism they were before Reaganism set in, yet both towns somehow maintain that illusion. In both cities, people are far too comfortable to be genuinely pissed off at corporate culture.

Seasonal tourists excepted, the real "most liberal city" in Colorado is probably some hippy mountain utopia like Telluride or Crested Butte.

Telluride is Aspen v.2.0 and heaving with rich folk. Crested Butte is a main drag with a pizza place that serves 40s and many dirty bros.

Durango is probably more "liberal" than either of them. But fuck it, I just want to move to Marble or Silverton.

there is plenty of leftist hand-wringing being performed over California Sirah

Syrah? Petite Sirah? neither is close to CA's most notable grape.

Durango is probably more "liberal" than either of them - Oops. I meant Durango, not Crested Butte. I've never been to Crested Butte. Regarding the Telluride/Aspen thing: that's really too bad, though not surprising at all. I haven't been there in over ten years, but at the time it was a comfortable change of pace from the increasingly upscale and homogenized environs of the Vail/Summit County towns. I suppose its co-option was inevitable. I have purposely avoided Aspen, but I'm sure it has changed drastically from the days when Hunter Thompson was elected Sheriff (or very nearly elected - I forget).

Syrah? Petite Sirah? neither is close to CA's most notable grape. - OK, youve got me. I was referring to Petite Sirah, as it is generally pretty expensive, but you are welcome to subsitute that with any California red you feel to be more appropriate.

gbx they cancelled iron horse as silverton had 12" of snow on saturday. i would like to live in durango i think.

boulder, ugh.

I've actually explored very little of CO's mountain towns - must be because I'm from the NoCo prairie. Actually I have no excuse as I've lived in CO for 28 years.

Durango's the most liberal?

i wouldnt think so.

Benjamin -

I'm originally from near St. Louis, Missouri. A small town called Farmington. But now I'm living in Ithaca, NY, but only until I graduate next May. Then somewhere else. I HAVE NO HOME.

Mandee

I'm coming to Denver on Thursday night/Friday/Saturday afternoon. If you would like hang 10 gimme a call!

Alright, they don't like the "1-2-3-4-5, 6-7-8-9-10, ELEVEN TWELVE!" song, or the animation. FUCK THIS.

Mandee - wanna see Matmos tomorrow in Boulder? Pleeeeeeeease?

i'm down for Denver drinks on July 26th

I loved Boulder when I visited. especially Boulder Brewing company

Alright, they don't like the "1-2-3-4-5, 6-7-8-9-10, ELEVEN TWELVE!" song, or the animation. FUCK THIS.

what the fuck are these people

Z S email me at dr dot drew dot daniel at gee mail dot com so that I can list you in Boulder brah

Drew, I just emailed you, but since it's already 6:30pm I'm assuming it's too late for guest list action. No big deal though, I'll be there either way.

WAIT IS IT TONIGHT OR WEDNESDAY ZACH!!?!?

sorry i just now saw this! AND I JUST GOT HOME FROM WORK AND I STINK!

Jordan is speechless!

mandee, did you get my ilx mail?

OH! Jordan!!! The email I am registered under is no longer valid - email me at mandee wr!ght at gmail dot com

oh cool, i re-mailed you

They're still cool dudes though. My roommate says "Yeah, right?" anytime he agrees with someone else, which is endearing.

-- Z S, Monday, May 26, 2008 4:22 PM

RONG

omg boulder is my least favorite place in the world

-- jhøshea, Tuesday, May 27, 2008 9:13 AM

RITE

Anybody lived in Ouray or Silverton?

I moved back here, to Boulder. I got dragged to some awful show at the Boulder Theatre (Charlie Hunter), with a bunch of people standing around not even paying attention to the music.

This is the weird thing about the jam band scene. Most of the people I know who go to these shows walk around and socialize, meet people they saw half way across the country at some other lame show, and only intermittently notice the music.

Other than that, I am extremely happy. I've lived here before, when I could hardly bare it,but now I've got a decent job and can actually enjoy the place. Side note, this is one of the most fit conscious cities in the country, yet when I live here I pack on the pounds.

Family vacation in Steamboat Springs next week, meeting up with even more family. I've always had an irrational hatred of Colorado, so I admit I am prejudiced, but I'm also open to having my mind changed. So: what am I in for? Hippies? Bobos? Bozos? I'm sure it will be fun with fam regardless.