"Escape From New York" - stupid film, but.... Classic or Dud?

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Well, isn't it? I mean, it's still great, but c'mon....TELL ME it's not stupid.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 7 March 2004 00:49 (11 years ago) Permalink

it's amovie that tthinks with its dick. it's not stupid it's different

:|, Sunday, 7 March 2004 00:59 (11 years ago) Permalink

maybe alittle stuppid yes but manly stupid

:|, Sunday, 7 March 2004 01:01 (11 years ago) Permalink

Totally classic. The sequel was rubbish because of the really stupid surfing scene.

Ste (Fuzzy), Sunday, 7 March 2004 01:23 (11 years ago) Permalink

Well, surfing is stupid.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 7 March 2004 21:53 (11 years ago) Permalink

by the way, CLASSIC

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 7 March 2004 22:11 (11 years ago) Permalink

You know, after the speech at the beginning, I was pretty disappointed by the Warriors too. Overhyped.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 7 March 2004 22:12 (11 years ago) Permalink

Wrong. Twenty push-ups for that, Anthony.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 7 March 2004 22:13 (11 years ago) Permalink

The bad thing about the Warriors is that their leader, the coolest one, gets killed right away.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Sunday, 7 March 2004 22:22 (11 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, but Swan takes over....and he's cool!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 7 March 2004 22:24 (11 years ago) Permalink

Meanwhile, Ajax gets himself arrested and humiliated by Mercedes Reuhl!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 7 March 2004 22:28 (11 years ago) Permalink

In Riverside Park, no less.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 7 March 2004 22:30 (11 years ago) Permalink

Has anyone picked up the new Escape From New York DVD yet? Carpenter has a commentary track on it, but I was wondering if Russell was in on it too. Their commentary is the total highlight of the Big Trouble... and The Thing discs.

Also, EFNY is total classic.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 00:51 (11 years ago) Permalink

I love it on the Big Trouble commentary when they start yakking about their kids' efforts in hockey.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Oooh...Carpenter commentary sounds great!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 01:19 (11 years ago) Permalink

4 months pass...
It's on AMC right now. Again.

i say this sheerly as an observation and without misogynist or sexist intent -- Adrian Barbeau's breasts were a thing of jaw-dropping splendor.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 29 July 2004 02:33 (11 years ago) Permalink

Or were they two things?

St. Nicholas (Nick A.), Thursday, 29 July 2004 13:50 (11 years ago) Permalink

2 years pass...
Also John Carpenter totally has the mind of a twelve year old boy, which I intend as a sincere compliment.

I agree, and it's what I detest most about his movies.

EfNY is watchable, Russell is sexy (and doing a laidback Clint Eastwood impression), but sorry, the opening half-hour is even more deadly w/ the exposition than usual for Carpenter. And the jokey American Bandstand ending? Are we not sposed to take the second-reel "human survival hangs in the balance" w/ the president's summit meeting seriously? I prefer a hero with some non-solipsistic moral connection even in dumb stuff.

The head on the parking meter is the best laugh.

Snake Plissken (played in unintentionally hilarious camp fahsion by Mr.Goldie Hawn, Kurt Russell).

You've gotta be kidding. KR ain't stupid.

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 14:20 (8 years ago) Permalink

i dunno, dude, have you ever seen captain ron?

the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Wednesday, 18 April 2007 14:22 (8 years ago) Permalink

The problem with Captain Ron is everything BUT Kurt Russell!

kenan, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 14:27 (8 years ago) Permalink

ok that is a good point but agreeing to do that movie indicates a certain lack of intelligence. or that he owed a lot of money to someone.

the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Wednesday, 18 April 2007 14:31 (8 years ago) Permalink

they can't all be Used Cars or Silkwood.

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 14:38 (8 years ago) Permalink

no, captain ron is one of the worst movies i've ever seen, is the thing.

the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Wednesday, 18 April 2007 14:39 (8 years ago) Permalink

i mean the pull quote on the box just says "FUNNY", i mean honestly with all the local station hacks willing to be bought in this world, the best they could do is "FUNNY"

the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Wednesday, 18 April 2007 14:40 (8 years ago) Permalink

haha Martin Short can suck the life out of anything, I'm convinced. He's a comedy vampire.

kenan, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 14:41 (8 years ago) Permalink

Martin Short was fucking great on SCTV. Then it was time to earn.

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 14:48 (8 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

god i love this movie
and john carpenter
i feel like i have rediscovered something and it's changing my life all over again
and i'm not even a 12-yr-old boy!

rrrobyn, Monday, 19 May 2008 23:26 (7 years ago) Permalink

Personally I love Big Trouble in Little China, who's with me?

chap, Monday, 19 May 2008 23:34 (7 years ago) Permalink

i think this is my spring/summer of john carpenter (realized i've never seen 'ghosts of mars' or 'vampires' all the way through, so, hm)

i think it will rule

rrrobyn, Monday, 19 May 2008 23:34 (7 years ago) Permalink

ernest borgnine and i have the same birthday

rrrobyn, Monday, 19 May 2008 23:43 (7 years ago) Permalink

Jeez, Rrobyn. I'm a Carpenter fan, but those are both terrible movies.

Oilyrags, Monday, 19 May 2008 23:48 (7 years ago) Permalink

realize the parenthetical - they will be in context of greater carpenter + i have completist tendencies

rrrobyn, Monday, 19 May 2008 23:51 (7 years ago) Permalink

Ah, I see. Well, enjoy the good ones, then!

Oilyrags, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 00:01 (7 years ago) Permalink

Pliskin's tat is out of control.

Abbott, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 00:05 (7 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

this movie hasn't aged well IMHO

Eisbaer, Friday, 1 August 2008 18:58 (7 years ago) Permalink

seeing it again after all these years, it looks ... and SOUNDS ... like an apocalyptic episode of "knight rider."

Eisbaer, Friday, 1 August 2008 18:59 (7 years ago) Permalink

soundtrack may be best part.

Steve Shasta, Friday, 1 August 2008 19:04 (7 years ago) Permalink

^ what he said

jaxon, Friday, 1 August 2008 19:08 (7 years ago) Permalink

Some day I might write a blog about how the ending of the sequel has caused it to endure in my memory FAR longer than the tons and tons of better movies out there. It's really an awesome 15 seconds.

Eric H., Friday, 1 August 2008 19:11 (7 years ago) Permalink

what is actually on the tape?

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Friday, 1 August 2008 19:13 (7 years ago) Permalink

Easily Adrian Barbau's finest hour.


and her finest hour is Swamp Thing obv

David R., Friday, 1 August 2008 19:25 (7 years ago) Permalink

Some day I might write a blog about how the ending of the sequel has caused it to endure in my memory FAR longer than the tons and tons of better movies out there. It's really an awesome 15 seconds.

this is totally true!

Simon H., Friday, 1 August 2008 19:31 (7 years ago) Permalink

Its aged really well, prob the best thing Carpenter ever did!

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 2 August 2008 14:52 (7 years ago) Permalink

4 months pass...

This movie hasn't aged as well as Big Trouble in Little China or Halloween, but its pretty good, considering.

And Adrienne Barbeau's breasts are amazing to behold.

B.L.A.M., Wednesday, 17 December 2008 04:50 (6 years ago) Permalink

And Isaac Hayes' car is amazing.

B.L.A.M., Wednesday, 17 December 2008 04:50 (6 years ago) Permalink

I think it's a part of many St. Louisan filmlovers' development to see this as a kid, just dig it like any other wacky movie, find out it was shot all downtown because downtown looks like a post-apocalyptic New York, rewatch it, and fall totally in love with it.

Seriously, I've known at least people who've gone through this cycle.

en i see kay, Wednesday, 17 December 2008 05:37 (6 years ago) Permalink

at least six people

en i see kay, Wednesday, 17 December 2008 05:38 (6 years ago) Permalink

3 years pass...

Just watched this for the first time as a followup to doing BTILC the other night (see thread). It's...okay? Like, it cleaves so close to being the world's most generic dystopian craphole movie (I'm thinking of MST3k fave City Limits here), just a string of terrible cliches...but then there's this great supporting cast, who really do elevate the hell out of this: Lee Van Cleef is awesome, Ernest Borgnine is charming, Isaac Hayes is basically cool, and Harry Dean Stanton plays the sleazy treacherous guy like a sleazy treacherous guy who's had all the sleaze dried out of him in a few years of living in New York.

Soundtrack's sweet too. So I guess what didn't click for me was either the plot (great premise, but the episodes went up to 5 when they needed to go up to 11) or, sad to say, Kurt Russell, who looks and feels like he's cosplaying the character. Maybe it's just after watching BTILC, where he gets so much more material to work with, good lines, some jokes...here he just wheezes and grunts his way through the scenes. I still basically want to see him escape from New York but I'm not cheering when he does.

So, based on the above, should I keep following Russell & Carpenter down the Netflix rabbit hole? I get the impression Escape from LA is to be avoided at all costs...

Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 07:47 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah this film has a lot going for it but it manages to squander way too much of that. there's a lot of neat stuff that shows up and just kind of fizzles out b/c carpenter didn't seem to know what do with it, plot-wise. this is true of a bunch of other carpenter movies: they live (which like escape from n.y. has a climax that feels very rote), the thing (ditto)... not to mention the horrible crap he made in the 90s and 00s.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 10:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

like walter hill (a more unusual and somewhat better director IMO), he peaked early.

assault/halloween vs. the driver/the warriors??

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 10:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

man between this thread title and the aliens one

playlists of pensive swift (difficult listening hour), Monday, 19 October 2015 21:30 (1 month ago) Permalink

i wish i could conjure back up the particular way i was annoyed and bored by prince of darkness, cause i'm remembering these bits and pieces that were good. it just felt like this ridiculously large cast all pacing around independently of each other. like we're still meeting new people an hour into the movie, and nobody seems really aware of anything else that's going on. there's this sense of non-urgency or disconnectedness, people having weird my-dinner-with-andre conversations about the anti-god equation off in a separate movie from the people trying to escape the green slime. it would feel dreamlike if it felt like it was on purpose, i guess.

and then there's like a twenty-four hour montage, sun setting, sun rising, as dennis dun (IIRC) slowly tries to break through a wall with a chair or a spoon or something, and in the last ten minutes he tries to get the people on the other side to actually help? the creepy computer was cool i guess.

Gorefest Frump (Doctor Casino), Monday, 19 October 2015 22:59 (1 month ago) Permalink

vampires is the carp nadir afaic. james woods is one of those guys who is exceptional in the right role and this wasn't one of them.

what I most remember abt that movie oddly is that is was one of gregory sierra's last screen roles before his apparent retirement. I love when old school dudes show up, but this was no 'deep cover' kinda role for him.

nomar, Monday, 19 October 2015 23:03 (1 month ago) Permalink

I saw that in the theater and man so baaaaaad. apart from the guy who gets sliced in half. that was funny.

Οὖτις, Monday, 19 October 2015 23:04 (1 month ago) Permalink

According to the original book's author John Steakley, the film contained much of his dialogue and none of his plot.

nomar, Monday, 19 October 2015 23:09 (1 month ago) Permalink

thing I remember about Vampires was just lots of misogyny, like every other vampire was a woman who was being tortured or burst into flames

also sealed my lifelong distaste for James Woods

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 19 October 2015 23:50 (1 month ago) Permalink

I actually called Carpenter on that at the press junket (way back when), and iirc his and everyone's defense was they're not women, they're vampires! I guess he had a point, but still ... not biting.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 20 October 2015 00:47 (1 month ago) Permalink

"not biting"

Gorefest Frump (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 20 October 2015 01:17 (1 month ago) Permalink


Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 20 October 2015 05:04 (1 month ago) Permalink

why dress them in gendered clothing if their gender is irrelevant, why not make them more animalistic etc etc

it was a choice & a bad one, and that's a cowardly answer "but but theyre just vampires"

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 20 October 2015 05:07 (1 month ago) Permalink

As a kid I was a bit obsessed with Frank Doubleday as Romero, he stole every scene. it took me years to find out his actual name and the name of the character, he's also the guy that shoots the kid in Assault On Precinct 13

MaresNest, Tuesday, 20 October 2015 11:13 (1 month ago) Permalink

Holy shit. I'd never made that connection before! I can't stand that scene though, even though it's what sets everything in motion.

how's life, Tuesday, 20 October 2015 11:40 (1 month ago) Permalink

don't order the vanilla, kid!

wizzz! (amateurist), Tuesday, 20 October 2015 13:06 (1 month ago) Permalink

This is my favorite carpenter OST right now. So krautfully delightful.

I liked but was vexed by PoD when I watched it w couple of years ago. I wanna see it again. I like jarringly quiescent genre stories. I'm a huge fan of In The Mouth Of Madness (not that it's quiescent but it's late carpenter that no one mentioned)

banned on ixlor (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 20 October 2015 14:07 (1 month ago) Permalink

Yeah, much prefer In The Mouth of Madness to boring old Prince of Darkness (tho POD has a mildly interesting commentary track where Carpenter sometimes seems quite irritated by his co-commentator Peter Jason).

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 20 October 2015 14:20 (1 month ago) Permalink

PoD is frustrating, so many of the main roles are taken by bland, soapy actors which is a real shame as it has a couple of genuinely great bits, the 'this is not a dream' transmission sequences, the guy with the wobbly voice who says 'pray for death' then his head falls off cause he's made of bugs , the old homeless lady licking the Priest's hands.

MaresNest, Tuesday, 20 October 2015 15:36 (1 month ago) Permalink

But PoD does look really great in HD and the soundtrack is just a really menacing, slow building bassline with some ornamentation.

MaresNest, Tuesday, 20 October 2015 15:41 (1 month ago) Permalink

PoD definitely foreshadows the later truly incompetent films

nevertheless it is transmitting from the year one... nine... nine... nine

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 20 October 2015 17:21 (1 month ago) Permalink

flipped through Ghosts of Mars last night on youtube due to this thread. had never dared before. it is pretty bad.

>also when the one alien ghost is screaming on the hill like BAAGAAWUGGALAAAAAA, that was great


Milton Parker, Tuesday, 20 October 2015 17:26 (1 month ago) Permalink

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