Luck: HBO series: David Milch, Dustin Hoffman, Michael Mann

and hot dogs

and horses

yeah, the whole "these huge animals that can't talk to anyone are the athletes" thing is really a big part of what makes it so weird, too. it def becomes more apparent when watching racing on tv than being at the track, but i'm really looking forward to how milch plays w/ that.

luck bronys

dmr tell us abt yr relationship to the horse racing world

I'm the managing editor for web at the Form. worked there 8+ years, before that my only involvement in racing was as a fan. group of college friends started road-tripping to the Ky Derby every year and I got hooked.

can u explain the structure of a pick six, its some sort of knockout pool no

pick six is just, pick the winners of six races in a row. I guess you could call it a knockout pool because if you miss one of the winners, you lose.

xp - I think so? Or some kind of accumulator?

the accumulator part is that if no one hits the pick six on a given day (it can be really hard to hit if some longshots win) then they pay out part of the pool as a consolation prize to people who got 5 out of 6 and hold the rest as a bonus jackpot for the next days pick 6. if no one hits the pick six for a few days in a row then that jackpot can get really huge which is what happens in the Luck pilot episode

ok but it looked like some of the races they could have had any horse win, and some they needed a specific horse to win?

yeah, the pick six costs more depending on the amount of houses you are picking to win. so they hedged picking only the one in that one round and then had the cash to spread across a number of different horses in other rounds

^^^

i dont think that's exactly right cause were it true in situations where theres a lot of rolled over money itd make sense just to bet every horse, my impression was that there was an overall cap for the number of horses you could bet in all six races

ok that would make sense

not really. the thing is with each horse you bet the cost of the ticket goes up exponentially

like if you played the field on each race you tick would cost a billion dollars

right, what did they spend on their ticket? $20k?

when you have a large carryover there are like huge conglomerates that pole together to buy a $10,000 ticket

the pick 6 is not set uo to be user friendly

right, what did they spend on their ticket? $20k?

I think they bet $800-something

handicapping wonks who are much wonkier than me (I don't bet pick sixes, costs too much $$$$) claimed that the ticket as written out on "Jerry's" napkin should have cost $3K

looking forward to dmr's posts itt as much as i am looking forward to this show!!

hahaha. hi-5

not really. the thing is with each horse you bet the cost of the ticket goes up exponentially

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tbf this sounds a lot more like what I said than what u did

or what moldy did

lol ipad

i dont think that's exactly right cause were it true in situations where theres a lot of rolled over money itd make sense just to bet every horse

i was responding to this. just saying that this ticket would not be cost effective

ah so yes ty for that info it was I think the missing piece

btw factoid it is often a winning proposition to buy every lottery ticket once the pots get big enough, just not logistically feasible

lol

My aunt and uncle paid for their daughter's wdding with a pick-six win.

Ok, just saw the pilot. Not bad, not amazing. The soundtrack--Sigur Ros as a horse is euthanized in particular--were distracting. Felt rather unengaged during most of it, yet when it was over I wanted to see more.

No Deadwood, not yet anyway, but I'll keep watching.

Could do without the Massive Attack theme song (good song, wrong fit), the cajun guy, the handsome picks guru, and Dustin Hoffman. Otherwise, good stuff.

idk how anyone can do without dustin hoffman

It's easy.

dustin is best

i'm a total dustin hoffman stan after seeing straight time. his performance in that one is one of the most committed and convincing and _physical_ performances i've seen.

super dope movie 4 sure

yeah it's the best basically

and there's a connection in that michael mann did an uncredited rewrite on straight time.

wow did not know that

I like Dustin's Hoffman's good performances. I did not care for him in the pilot of Luck, and also I did not care for him in Mr. Magorium's Wonder Emporium.

Dustin's Hoffman's

the review in nyer says he kinda just plays it as a cypher the whole time and gives u nothing to care abt but im gonna go ahead and see for myself

yeah from evidence of pilot episode, he is not doing much to make his character likable (sp?) or easy to read

like-able?? jesus that word looks wrong no matter how i spell it.

likeable often confounds me as well

second episode pretty great too

how are you seeing episode 2-- is it on demand already?

Ive read that it's on hbo go

yeah, it's on hbo go

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Haven't seen the show, but that NYT descrip of "detente" btwn Milch and Mann made me laugh. They must've nearly gouged each other's eyes out.

haha that piece was so these two guys

Written by David Carr (main subject in the documentary Page One), who's very Milch-ian himself.