NEW AMERYKAH, POLL 1 (4th World War)

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So I realize this is a naïve question, but are her previous albums like this? I had always just thought of her as a slightly better version of a Jill Scott-type neo-hippie-R&B singer, which is not my thing at all, but I LOVE this album. Does her previous work have the same kind of simultaneous hip hop/70s soul vibe to it? The only older songs of hers I remember hearing were the live version of Tyrone and Bag Lady, which was pretty good but it was always weird to me that it used that same guitar sample as the then-current Dr. Dre song.
Also, was J Dilla directly involved in any of her music?

Whitey on the Moon, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 05:01 (5 years ago) Permalink

Time for some research, Whitey on the Moon.

Dimension 5ive, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 05:20 (5 years ago) Permalink

Also, was J Dilla directly involved in any of her music?

― Whitey on the Moon, Monday, January 5, 2009 11:01 PM (54 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

not too much, only on one of her biggest grammy award nom'd singles -- but i expect those deep cuts are hard to google for

choom gangsta (deej), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 05:56 (5 years ago) Permalink

OK OK jeez I acknowledged that it was naïve. I just wanted to get some feedback on what you guys thought of her older stuff before I actually buy/download/conduct further research.
And I apologize for not knowing who was "nom'd" for female vocal R&B performance or whatever Grammy in 2000.

Whitey on the Moon, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 06:14 (5 years ago) Permalink

nom'd nom'd nom'd

choom gangsta (deej), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 06:15 (5 years ago) Permalink

Baduism is neo-soul with hip-hop fringes - no rapping, no scratching, but the tight clip of the drums tells the tale. but it is very neo-soul (and brilliant).

Mama's Gun never goes as far as The Healer in the Hip-Hop direction, but the group who recorded it are the soulquarians (feat. Dilla), and it is an utterly sublime album, you need to hear it.

Worldwide Underground (is that the title of the EP?) is gonzo and brilliant, Danger is badass 70s funk meets Hip-Hop, while 'I want You' is like sultry water torture.

doggy1998: im only only 10 and i listen to music like this (stevie), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 10:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

the first verse of 'danger' sets that scene like BAM. so perfect.

lex pretend, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 10:10 (5 years ago) Permalink

me and this baby
gon' be here all night long
walkin' this wood floor
until my man gets home
i'm at the front door
i'm listenin' by the phone
but i'm gon' be here
with my make-up on

lex pretend, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 10:11 (5 years ago) Permalink

her albums in order:
mamas gun
baduizm
worldwide underground
the new one
though i find it hard to really decide which is better of the last 3 there as they all have some really brilliant tracks. but basically mamas gun is impossibly classic.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 11:09 (5 years ago) Permalink

All four are impossibly classic, so listen to them simultaneously.

Eric H., Tuesday, 6 January 2009 12:16 (5 years ago) Permalink

That said, I rank them as such:

4th World War
Mama's Gun
Baduizm
Worldwide Underground

Eric H., Tuesday, 6 January 2009 12:17 (5 years ago) Permalink

Part 2 comes out February 17th! Same day as The-Dream. Wish I had four ears.

Owen Pallett, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 14:08 (5 years ago) Permalink

oh noes the weight of expectancy (which i didn't have at all for Part 1). can it be better?

Timezilla vs Mechadistance (blueski), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 14:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

A Badu-lovin', magazine-readin' friend told me that Erykah, in an interview, said the 2nd part was mostly uptempo stuff like The Healer. Honey was originally meant to be on Part 2 but was moved to Part 1 at the last minute, hence its "bonus track" vibe.

Owen Pallett, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 15:06 (5 years ago) Permalink

don't toy with my expectations now

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 15:22 (5 years ago) Permalink

uptempo stuff like The Healer

does not compute. but i welcome more beats like that. if that's true about 'Honey' then it's weird that it then also became the single (so perhaps there are other singles/radio jams on part 2?)

Timezilla vs Mechadistance (blueski), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 15:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

at first i was like "wtf the healer is not uptempo" but it's pretty much the same tempo as "honey", it just has that slow burn vibe

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 15:53 (5 years ago) Permalink

An album full of "Healer"s?! As if I already didn't think the Nu AmErykah enterprise was already for-all-time material.

Eric H., Tuesday, 6 January 2009 15:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

of course you would say that your next album is all like the best song on your last album

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 15:57 (5 years ago) Permalink

She could say the next album is like the worst song on 4WW and I'd say the same thing.

Eric H., Tuesday, 6 January 2009 16:09 (5 years ago) Permalink

i'm kinda amazed that this album actually charted higher in many European countries than in the UK (e.g. #5 in Sweden! #10 in Switzerland! seems v random)

Timezilla vs Mechadistance (blueski), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 16:10 (5 years ago) Permalink

*Cough*. Maybe it wasn't The Healer. I put on the record, we started talking about the new album, Alex said "an album of uptempo songs like this", and I don't remember if it was The Healer or Amerykahn Promise. This is important! Two very different songs. I'll ask him today at lunch.

Owen Pallett, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 16:26 (5 years ago) Permalink

if that's true about 'Honey' then it's weird that it then also became the single

not weird at all, obviously the thinking was "we need a single to sell this album, let's use that really obviously accessible song you were gonna hold for the next one". finally the weird single/bonus track status of "Honey" makes sense!

some dude, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 16:34 (5 years ago) Permalink

haha an album of amerykahn promises. IMAGINE!

lex pretend, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 16:42 (5 years ago) Permalink

i never understood why 'the cell' wasn't considered an appropriate single, anyway. i think it's even more melodically immediate than 'honey'.

lex pretend, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 16:43 (5 years ago) Permalink

She could say the next album is like the worst song on 4WW and I'd say the same thing.

Come to think of it, she's already had something like that -- an album of "Me"s. It's called Mama's Gun.

Eric H., Tuesday, 6 January 2009 16:53 (5 years ago) Permalink

i never understood why 'the cell' wasn't considered an appropriate single, anyway. i think it's even more melodically immediate than 'honey'.

it's ruffer and more 'minimal' which would rule it out for me as single material

the 'add a little lemon' line in 'Honey' actually bothers me a bit just because i thought 'wait is this still a cliched metaphor or are you literally singing a song about a foodstuff?'

Owen maybe you did mean Amerykahn Promise as that or The Cell are the fastest tracks

some dude a track originally intended for the second album becoming the first single off the first album seems unconventional or "weird" to me but whatever

Timezilla vs Mechadistance (blueski), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 17:03 (5 years ago) Permalink

haha an album of amerykahn promises. IMAGINE!

― lex pretend, Tuesday, January 6, 2009 11:42 AM (22 minutes ago)

^would buy

k3vin k., Tuesday, 6 January 2009 17:07 (5 years ago) Permalink

she said in an interview shes working with wajeed, jay electronica, madlib and basically other hip hop producers for pt 2. so it prob will be more like the healer. id like it to be more like master teacher pt 2, me, and telephone, but apparently part 3, or the third album shes done/been talking about is more mamas gun-sounding stuff, apparently more blues/jazz-based.

honey is an underrated song on this album.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 17:08 (5 years ago) Permalink

MORE BALEARIC

Timezilla vs Mechadistance (blueski), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 17:09 (5 years ago) Permalink

O_O

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 19:38 (5 years ago) Permalink

I want this embedded IN MY BRANE

Dimension 5ive, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 19:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

:-O

k3vin k., Tuesday, 6 January 2009 20:24 (5 years ago) Permalink

I talked to my resident Baduphile. When NA1:4WW came out, Erykah had big plans. 'New Amerykah 2: Return Of The Ankh' was to come out summer 2008, she was also gonna make a record with 'band', Tin Machine-style. She was even gonna publish a magazine. These plans have been altered or set aside.

At the time, she said of NA2:ROTA that it was made independently of NA1:4WW. Conceptually and compositionally different. She said it was more deeply steeped in 70s funk. As the sole track from the ROTA sessions, we can imagine ROTA to be an entire album of "Honey"... which is the song Alex referenced me to.

Here's a Youtube of a song from the new album, from a VH1 performance. It is called "Annie Don't Wear No Panties"

Owen Pallett, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 20:28 (5 years ago) Permalink

"She was sittin' on the front pew/ Givin' Deacon Johns n em a good view"

XD XD XD

The Reverend, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 20:39 (5 years ago) Permalink

fellas if u can't afford it
think u better videotape record it

lex pretend, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 20:40 (5 years ago) Permalink

also jesus HER HAIR IS INCREDIBLE

lex pretend, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 20:40 (5 years ago) Permalink

is that the clip where she calls out her sister at the end for singing a wrong note? i love that.

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 20:41 (5 years ago) Permalink

also jesus HER HAIR WIG IS INCREDIBLE

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 20:41 (5 years ago) Permalink

her chris dave is incredible

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 20:43 (5 years ago) Permalink

her body (and voice, obv) is incredible.

i luv badu.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 21:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

Suddenly I have the fears about ROTA. "Annie" is cute and funny, but in no way primo Badu material.

Eric H., Tuesday, 6 January 2009 21:03 (5 years ago) Permalink

"my ass and legs have gotten thick" indeed

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The Reverend, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 21:05 (5 years ago) Permalink

not heard it but that lyric makes me think of betty davis. that whole vhi gig is on the net as mp3s somewhere...

and yes, GREAT ass.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 21:05 (5 years ago) Permalink

i would kill for a mama's gun-style record with that live band.

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 21:06 (5 years ago) Permalink

On the converse, hearing that it's all supposed to be like "Honey" and "Annie" makes me feel a lot better about the prospects of the new album than if she was trying to make another album just like 4th World War.

The Reverend, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 21:07 (5 years ago) Permalink

i don't think she understands how much ilx loves this record and how she ought to make more like it.

& my ass and legs have gotten thick is a great line.

schlump, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 21:26 (5 years ago) Permalink

New Amerykah Part 2: He Got In! Plus Woah My Ass Is Awesome In That YT Clip

Timezilla vs Mechadistance (blueski), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 21:51 (5 years ago) Permalink

"the Morbius strip of issues" (stevie), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 23:57 (5 years ago) Permalink

sorry, meant to post THIS:

it's all good though...

"the Morbius strip of issues" (stevie), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 23:57 (5 years ago) Permalink


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