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― caek, Wednesday, 25 January 2012 11:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
i hope it's clever enough for that and it's just word-matching. Mac OS X already has this with Cmd-? (which is v. useful)
― stet, Wednesday, 25 January 2012 12:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
*not just
> You can almost drive firefox entirely from the keyboard already
but the example in the video was inkscape...
― koogs, Wednesday, 25 January 2012 12:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
I don't know inkscape in particular, but if you're using Photoshop without one hand on the keyboard you're doing it wrong. Menus like this would be a big time saver there.
― stet, Wednesday, 25 January 2012 12:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
> if you're using Photoshop without one hand on the keyboard you're doing it wrong
but that's just keyboard shortcuts, this is typing words, which is different. and if you're typing with only one hand you're doing it wrong (or at least inefficiently)
it's more the forcing their millions of users to change how they do things, proclaiming that this is an improvement that we must* all use (see also unity), making everybody's current working practices redundant, throwing away accumulated knowledge of how to do stuff. that's what annoys me and why i'm staying on the last LTS for as long as i can. if they were starting from scratch, then yes, let them do what they wants. people will use it if they like it. but don't dictate.
* ok, there may be a choice with this, but there was no choice with the unity / gnome3 switch. or kde4 for that matter.
― koogs, Wednesday, 25 January 2012 12:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
(arguing over guis is the new vi vs emacs)
― koogs, Wednesday, 25 January 2012 12:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yeah, it does seem like they're forcing these changes on users in ways that not even Apple does.
― stet, Wednesday, 25 January 2012 13:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
i don't suppose anyone here is an NFS expert by any chance?
― the emancipation of me-me (tpp), Wednesday, 25 January 2012 13:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
i love how completely stoned the last few big ubuntu ideas have been
― occupy the A train (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, 25 January 2012 15:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
We think of it as “beyond interface”, it’s the “intenterface”.
― occupy the A train (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, 25 January 2012 15:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
not very keen. it's much more effort to think of the right word for what I want to do, than just to read it off a list. that's unless it can understand thingy and wotsit in context.
― thomasintrouble, Wednesday, 25 January 2012 18:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
that's another good point. that said, i was trying to get open office to not number the heading line on a spreadsheet yesterday and none of the menu items sounded like they'd do it. ended up adding another column and putting my own number in it.
post just now on slashdot about cinnamon, which looks to be mint making gnome3 work like gnome2 (actually, i'm not entirely sure what it is because the project's front page is all taken from the wikipedia page for the spice http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/?p=1 )
― koogs, Wednesday, 25 January 2012 18:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
We think of it as “beyond interface”, it’s the “intenterface”.― occupy the A train (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, January 25, 2012 3:08 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 25 January 2012 18:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
"its like, what if you could just tell the computer what you're thinking......and it knows man"
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 25 January 2012 18:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
Mac users are probably the easiest to inflict change upon, and *nix users are probably the whiniest. Ubuntu users would be the most open of the *nix user spectrum, though that's not saying much. Intenterface is the worst name I have ever heard btw (and iOS autocorrects it to 'intent efface').
― Autumn Almanac, Wednesday, 25 January 2012 19:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
that is exactly backwards dude
― caek, Wednesday, 25 January 2012 19:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
Mac users have so much faith in the church that in most cases they hump every change like a dog, whereas *nix users (correctly imo) want every function in history to be available to them forever
― Autumn Almanac, Wednesday, 25 January 2012 19:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
if by *nix you mean linux then i cannot think of a group of users who care or think less about user interface. and i don't mean that in a "lol linux is ugly" way. i mean it seriously. i mean "flexibility"/"power" is, by a very long way, the most important thing to them. changes to the gui have pretty much no impact on what they mean by flexibility and power.
― caek, Wednesday, 25 January 2012 20:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
damn good point
― Autumn Almanac, Wednesday, 25 January 2012 20:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
um i don't know if you're paying attention but we're not talking about a user INTERFACE
― the "intenterface" (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, 25 January 2012 20:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
there are 30 page philosophical screeds on ui paradigms and the history of beos disguised as os reviews every time a new version of os x comes out. daring fireball got where it is today by being a pedant about ui. and he's read by regular os x users. i doubt anyone reads the discussion of linux ui revisions except the developers writing about it on their own mailing list.
― caek, Wednesday, 25 January 2012 20:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
not defending either approach btw
So really, when Linux has problems like this (which is increasingly rare, as you say) it's like giving away organic milk which you claim will work in cars whose manufacturers support it, and then blaming the manufacturer for not publishing the specifications of their engine when it doesn't work. The fact is, it doesn't work. Who gives a shit why apart from the dairy farmer?
― caek, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 10:41 (4 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i have read this post many times today and still have absolutely no idea what i was talking about.
― caek, Wednesday, 25 January 2012 20:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
that post is awesome
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 25 January 2012 21:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
I have absolutely no idea what the default GUI will look like on any Linux distribution since I haven't regularly used one for years, but last I checked nearly all defaults look like some variation of the system task bar/start menu/docked status icons popularized by Windows 95. They may also have some sort of multi-desktop pager widget. With these expectations, I haven't been too surprised.
OS X has the most GUI complainers, by far, although it's diminished a lot in the last few years. The biggest complaints have been the change from Spaces to the current sliding-between-desktops (and apps) thing they've got going now. To be honest, the other biggest complaint has been that the default folder and disk icons are monochrome, which... sheesh, whatever.
― mh, Wednesday, 25 January 2012 21:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
well, there's the "The Finder" complaint
― caek, Wednesday, 25 January 2012 21:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
True, that.
btw this HUD thing is dumb when used as they said, because it's not solving the problem it's identifying -- unintuitive menu organization and structure. It's just replacing it with a free-form "type what you want to do".
Now, interfaces where there's a strong language behind it that later added visual tools, like mathematica? That's a different ballgame.
― mh, Wednesday, 25 January 2012 21:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
...to use linux but the mix of HPUX and Solaris elements confuses the shit out of me.
― StanM, Wednesday, 25 January 2012 22:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
Do you mean SYS V-style versus BSD-style?
― mh, Wednesday, 25 January 2012 22:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
LVM and df -k together! I'm only getting used to storage operations on our hpux and solaris servers and now they get in some linuxes... *shivers*
― StanM, Wednesday, 25 January 2012 22:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
there's also the "skeuomorph is bullshit" complaint. I can't loathe iCal enough now
― stet, Wednesday, 25 January 2012 22:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
ok I blocked that one out because it's a non-trivial complaint and makes me kill people. I mean, want to kill people.
I can only assume someone's going to build an app that uses all the APIs from iCal only works better and I'll never have to use it now.
tbf I use Sparrow almost exclusively for email now
― mh, Wednesday, 25 January 2012 22:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
the biggest threat to windows is, well windows, but also people using phones for what they used to use computers for
― The Cheerfull Turtle (Latham Green), Friday, 3 February 2012 16:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
is there a hanleypedia entry on this?
― mh, Friday, 3 February 2012 16:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
I tihnk I was fired from being the admin - I cant even lead my own wiki :(
― The Cheerfull Turtle (Latham Green), Friday, 3 February 2012 16:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
:(
― mh, Friday, 3 February 2012 16:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
:(:(:(:(:(
sad crowd
― The Cheerfull Turtle (Latham Green), Friday, 3 February 2012 18:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
Ubuntu 12 = Quantal Quetzal" - I would have preferred Queer Queen
― The Cheerfull Turtle (Latham Green), Thursday, 26 April 2012 17:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
i bought a new laptop with windows 7 on it and i haven't uninstalled it yet :-/
linux user lost
― J0rdan, Diddy (tpp), Thursday, 26 April 2012 17:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
You're probably better off with Windows 7
― The Cheerfull Turtle (Latham Green), Thursday, 26 April 2012 18:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
's not bad
― ILX uh-huh-uh uh-huh uh-huh BEEP BOOP BOOP BEEP (snoball), Thursday, 26 April 2012 18:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
if you build a computer and install some form of linux on it is it possible to run osx apps on it? what about windows apps? is it a hassle or is it relatively straightforward.
― the late great, Thursday, 26 April 2012 18:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
wine on linux is very good at running some windows apps, particularly some old ones you can't run on windows anymore.almost everything on linux is a hassle, but it's "good" for you in that it makes you smarter, while every hassle on windows makes you dumber? some rationalization like that.
will windows8 be the next cataclysm that makes linux users out of a generation?
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 26 April 2012 18:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
on a personal level i feel like rebelling against apple, their product lines and software have been moving in a direction i don't like for awhile now - dumbing down, lots of surface-level improvements w/o a lot of substance, endless integration w/ web stuff i don't use like fb and twitter, etc etc etc
based on googling looks like the answer is no re: osx apps but all of the sources i found are a few years old
― the late great, Thursday, 26 April 2012 18:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
the only thing I really wish for Apple stuff is that the frameworks they have that let you get at calendar, contact, and music databases recognize the possibility that your primary apps may not be the built in ones. I can understand them being squeamish about allowing alternative primary calendar and email apps on the iphone, but it'd be nice! Even more so on the desktop since iCal has switched from being minimal and a little feature-needy to being kind of dumb and only slightly feature-enhanced. The backend is nice, though!
― mh, Thursday, 26 April 2012 18:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
not really linux-specific, but you could run osx under a virtual machine instance in order to use the apps. a lot of 3rd party osx apps have linux ports though.
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 26 April 2012 18:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
just use OS X and use a virtual instance of linux imo
― mh, Thursday, 26 April 2012 18:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
endless integration w/ web stuff i don't use like fb and twitter, etc etc etc
? this is not a thing
― caek, Thursday, 26 April 2012 23:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
maybe that is just my perception based on the direction of third-party osx apps and especially ios apps than the actual os itself
speaking of third-party apps i tried to use sparrow as my primary email on iphone and i must admit it kinda sucks compared to apple mail
― the late great, Friday, 27 April 2012 00:16 (1 year ago) Permalink