I always knew David Brooks was an asshole ....

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Pareene's regular excoriations of Brooks are always a highlight of Salon

― Put another Juggle in, in the Juggalodeon (kingfish), Tuesday, January 24, 2012 2:30 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Links plz!

frogBaSeball (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 21:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

I can think of some much more inventive punishments for "successful" people than just burning their money

Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 21:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

Do you want to be an extremely "successful" person (as in you have a shit-ton of money) or do you want to live in a successful society where the actual success of those who do well in business reflect in the quality of the world you live in and enrich the communities responsible for generating that wealth and create a fertile environment for more successes?

People who think success is measured only in dollars they get paid are like kids who think about goal completion only in terms of how many cookies or toys they get

mh, Tuesday, 24 January 2012 22:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

Two of Pareene's bits:


Repeat offenses: armchair sociology, easy generalizations in lieu of research or analysis, boringness.

Representative quote:

“The magic is not felt by a lot of people. It’s not felt, obviously, by a lot of less educated people, downscale people. They just look at Obama, and they don’t see anything. And so, Obama’s problem is he doesn’t seem like the kind of guy who could go into an Applebee’s salad bar, and people think he fits in naturally there.”

(Note: Applebee’s does not have salad bars.)


He can make a defense of racist demagoguing sound benign. He obfuscates and misleads on income inequality, while, as always, accusing those damned coastal liberal elites of disrespecting Real Americans. Accusing liberals of disrespecting Real Americans is one of Brooks’ go-to lines, even though there’s absolutely no evidence that he has any clue whatsoever how the middle and working classes live in America in 2011.

Everything, with Brooks, comes down to “values.” Bad things happen because of a lack of the correct “values,” and the correct “values” are essentially white upper-middle-class mid-20th-century bourgeois values. Poverty happens because the poor don’t have those values. Earthquakes happen because of a lack of those values. The sexual abuse of children happens because — you guessed it — America lost those important pre-’60s values. The abuses at Penn State, in Brooks’ worldview, went unreported because America has become “a society oriented around our inner wonderfulness.”

That linked column on the abuses at Penn State was the sanitized version of Brooks’ comments on “Meet the Press,” in which he blamed both the failure to report the sexual abuses to the police and the riots following the firing of Joe Paterno more explicitly on “30 or 40 years” of “muddying the moral waters.” If it weren’t for women’s lib and the self-esteem movement, those kids could’ve been protected!

Put another Juggle in, in the Juggalodeon (kingfish), Wednesday, 25 January 2012 01:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

I blame Applebee's for not having salad bars.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 25 January 2012 01:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

"Applebees doesn't have salad bars" seems like an excellent one-line response to partisan hackery in itself

mh, Wednesday, 25 January 2012 01:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

if applebee's had salad bars america would be a much healthier country

iatee, Wednesday, 25 January 2012 01:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

I didn't know until recently that Applebees has a full bar!

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 25 January 2012 01:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

It is your neighborhood bar and grill, especially if your neighborhood is a shopping mall.

mh, Wednesday, 25 January 2012 02:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

I sometimes wonder if the Republican Party has become the receding roar of white America as it pines for a way of life that will never return.

This sentence is truly fucked up. I'm white, btw.

Aimless, Wednesday, 25 January 2012 18:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

I just watched the episode of 30 Rock where Donaghy and Lemon go to Stone Mountain Georgia to find a new cast member and it reminded me of David Brooks a bit

frogBaSeball (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 25 January 2012 18:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

It’s always interesting to read the quotations of people who knew a mass murderer before he killed. They usually express complete bafflement that a person who seemed so kind and normal could do something so horrific.

j., Tuesday, 20 March 2012 13:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

FUCK. You beat me to it.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

this is a really choice column. prime brooks facepalm.

j., Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

haha every time this thread is bumped I think "christ, what is it now, David Brooks?"

the prurient pinterest (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

He had a stupid one earlier in the week again imploring Obama to cut entitlements and debt and balance the budget now in a right-wing conservative manner, but which he redefines as moderate and sensible. It was formula David Brooks.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

According to this view, most people are naturally good, because nature is good.

Yawn. V tired of this conservative cliche about the materialist moral perspective.

(he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

d brooks would like to disabuse you of the idea that people are naturally good, remember that we are all shameful pots of shit and sin

i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

I thought the conservative cliché concerned how BAD people were.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

well, when it comes to the free market, people are naturally good
when it comes to what you do with your genitals, you simply can't be trusted

i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...
3 weeks pass...

Some people view politics like war. Others prefer to see it as a wooing dance. Which prism will win votes in 2012?

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 12:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

no, it's been a "flashpoint" for a major reduction in crime in America, studies suggest

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 21 April 2005 14:19 (7 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Ms Tum-Bla-Wi-Tee (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 12:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

, studies suggest

Ms Tum-Bla-Wi-Tee (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 12:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

life is good for this knucklehead(moving from Md suburb to DC):


Price: $3.95 million

Details: The New York Times op-ed columnist and wife Sarah are trading up — from their longtime home near Bethesda’s Burning Tree Club to a century-old (exquisitely renovated) five bedroom, four-and-a-half bath house in Cleveland Park. It includes a two-car garage, iron and stone fence, generous-sized porch and balcony, and what appear to be vast spaces for entertaining. The timing seems to have been right: After only a few days on the market, their old place (which also boasts five bedrooms) is under contract for $1.6 million.

By The Reliable Source

curmudgeon, Monday, 7 May 2012 15:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

Something seems especially unfair about some asshole being able to afford a $4 million house just because he happens to have lucked into being that asshole.

Scott, bass player for Tenth Avenue North (Hurting 2), Monday, 7 May 2012 15:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

And he is able to do so despite Obama not taking all of his advice on the deficit and such, and the NY Times cutting back on free views of their website.

curmudgeon, Monday, 7 May 2012 15:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

TBF I feel similarly about most major op-ed columnists. Unremarkable people who somehow managed to land and keep for themselves a gilded seat.

Scott, bass player for Tenth Avenue North (Hurting 2), Monday, 7 May 2012 16:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

^^^gets the respeck knuckles

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 20:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

Brooks columns are a cyclical problem.

Scott, bass player for Tenth Avenue North (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 20:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

took me 7 years to respond, b/c i react to any mention of David Brooks the way that an epileptic would react to a light show, but wtf:

no, it's been a "flashpoint" for a major reduction in crime in America, studies suggest

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 21 April 2005 14:19 (7 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol gabbneb using his own specious logic and uncited "authorities" to contest David Brooks's specious logic and uncited authorities.

Nu Metal is the best music there is, the rest is pussy shit. (Eisbaer), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 20:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

don't miss that guy a bit

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 20:54 (1 year ago) Permalink


Another discussion of Brooks' new mansion and his recent attack on entitlement/welfare state spending

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 19:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

Apparently Krugman's been tearing apart Brooks' horseshit without ever actually mentioning the dude by name

Choad of Choad Hall (kingfish), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 19:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

TBF, while Brooks' horseshit is indeed horseshit, that Pierce takedown kind of misapprehends some key points about our economy. The finance industry didn't really wreck a perfectly good economy, they bubbled us out of a bad one by creating fake wealth, skimming the profits and then peacing out as it burst. There really are structural problems in our economy beyond the aftermath of mortgage securitization -- I don't think even Krugman would completely discount that.

Scott, bass player for Tenth Avenue North (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 19:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

I dream of him being dropped by the NY Times, NPR and PBS and seeing if it would give him a new perspective. But that's not gonna happen so I similarly just dream of someone telling him how absurd he is on some tv or radio talk show. But that also is not gonna happen.

curmudgeon, Thursday, 10 May 2012 14:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

This paragraph at the end of Ezra Klein's response to Brooks' recent column gets it (emphasis mine):

It happens to be the case that Brooks likes Obama’s “hypercompetitive, restrained, not given to self-doubt, rarely self-indulgent” temperament, which is fine. But here he’s presented readers with a mystery that isn’t actually a mystery, and then told them, without evidence, that “most of the cause is personal” and “the key is [Obama’s] post-boomer leadership style.” Not that Brooks thinks that, or sees a case for it, but that that’s how it is. But it isn’t! Or, at the least, we have no evidence for it.

This is the feeling that I get listening to him on All Things Considered on Fridays. I think I get where he's trying to go but the logic is so convoluted and a lot of what he states as fact is really just incredibly misguided analysis. That plus his arrogance can be enraging.

all things must pass (shaane), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

I'm actually surprised he can afford a $4m house. How much can the Times possibly pay his columnists? His most recent book was a #1 bestseller, but at this point in history how much actual cash money does that translate into?

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

he's been around forever. dude is loaded.

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

He's been around forever but as far as I can tell he's only written three books. A book every 4 years just can't translate into that much income, can it? And surely even a plummy job writing a column once a week for the New York Times can't pay more than, I dunno, $200K. I'm still not seeing how it turns into $4m house money.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

TV appearances over the last 30 years

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

Atlantic Monthly, WSJ, NPR, Weekly Standard - that shit adds up

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

Speaker fees?

quincie, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

I always imagine dudes like him get "grants" from shady "think tanks" but that's basically something I made up so

this guy's a gangsta? his real name's mittens. (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

Dude is moving to my hood and I will run him down with my car if I get the chance.

quincie, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

it's also not super far from where I grew up. My synagogue was in Cleveland Park.

this guy's a gangsta? his real name's mittens. (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

holy crap, I think quincie is right. According to this:


brooks gets $20-40K every time he shows up to give an hour talk and eat banquet chicken.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

Bobos in Paradise was a huge hit in 2000 and 2001; I worked in a bookstore then.

He can still use it as a memoir title.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

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