pitchfork

http://nplusonemag.com/54

a couple words in and I'm hyped for this thread

Indie’s self-deception has had consequences for fans as well. One kind of fan, at least originally, was the lower-middle-class white person, frequently a college dropout, who got by on bartending or other menial work and tried to save enough money to move out of his parents’ house. This kind of person got involved in indie rock to acquire cultural capital that he’d otherwise lack. A pretty good example of this kind of indie rock fan is Ryan Schreiber. In the last decade, however, indie rock has classed up, steadily abandoning these lower-class fans (along with the midsized cities they live in) for the young, college-educated white people who now populate America’s major cities and media centers. For these people, indie rock has offered a way to ignore the fact that part of what makes your dead-end internship or bartending job tolerable is the fact that you can leave and go to law school whenever you like. A pretty good example of this kind of indie rock fan is me. In the two years since I graduated from college, I’ve had a pretty good time being “broke” in New York and drinking “cheap” beer with my friends. But sometimes I remind myself that the beer I’m drinking is not actually cheap, and that furthermore I am not actually broke: if I married someone who made the same salary I make, our household income would be slightly above the national median, which is also true of almost every person I spend my free time with. The truth is that I inherited expensive tastes and moved to an expensive city, and sometimes I get cranky about not being able to buy what I want. But when I don’t feel like reminding myself of these things, I can listen to indie music.

I am proud of myself that that is what I was going to initially copy and paste

but I'll do this one instead:

The strangest thing about Pitchfork is that, for all its success, it hasn’t produced a single significant critic in fifteen years.

the article was kind of boring and didn't being anything new to the table for how long it was, the author's kind of a dick for blowing scott's spot up though

http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/09/pitchfork_n1.html

i don't know if i'm gonna be able to make it through this

https://twitter.com/#!/RichBeck

false that mark richardson is not a significant critic.

https://twimg0-a.akamaihd.net/profile_images/215868785/Twitter_reasonably_small.jpg

otm

buzza irl

Although Broken Social Scene, Arcade Fire, Sufjan Stevens, M.I.A., and Animal Collective all produced sophisticated, intelligent music, it’s also true that they focused their sophistication and intelligence on those areas where the stakes were lowest. Instead of striking out in pursuit of new musical forms, they tweaked or remixed the sounds of earlier music, secure in the knowledge that pedantic blog writers would magnify these changes and make them seem daring. Instead of producing music that challenged and responded to that of other bands, they complimented one another in interviews, each group “doing its own thing” and appreciating the efforts of others.

hahaha you can like those artists or not like them but uh what?

buzza has been around for years. he has the biggest collection of photos from all the rotary events/weddings you can manage to get to and is a top bloke that watches out for people.
dannyag2005 2 years ago 3

When Jay-Z decided, as an obscenely wealthy entertainment mogul, that he wanted finally to leave his drug-dealer persona behind, he got himself seen at a Grizzly Bear concert in Williamsburg.

uh you may have missed a couple steps here dogg

I’ve had a pretty good time being “broke” in New York and drinking “cheap” beer with my friends. But sometimes I remind myself that the beer I’m drinking is not actually cheap, and that furthermore I am not actually broke: if I married someone who made the same salary I make, our household income would be slightly above the national median, which is also true of almost every person I spend my free time with. The truth is that I inherited expensive tastes and moved to an expensive city, and sometimes I get cranky about not being able to buy what I want. But when I don’t feel like reminding myself of these things, I can listen to indie music.

oh cool now i know what this piece is actually about

i still can't believe anyone thought this was a good idea to publish. 'long, shrill, slightly clueless attack pieces disguised as weighty, ambivalent scholarly considerations of Pitchfork' are becoming almost as overdone as 'long, shrill, slightly clueless attack pieces disguised as weighty, ambivalent scholarly considerations of The Daily Show.'

this is the best tho:

Most of all, though, we need new musical forms. We need a form that doesn’t think of itself as a collection of influences. We need musicians who know that music can take inspiration not only from other music but from the whole experience of life. Pitchfork and indie rock are currently run by people who behave as though the endless effort to perfect the habits of cultural consumption is the whole experience of life. We should leave these things behind, and instead pursue and invent a musical culture more worth our time.

oh my bad why were we making indie rock we should have been inventing new musical forms

love when writers commission the ambitious musical revolution they fantasize about but have no ability to take part in or describe in any concrete terms. "ok, musicians, hop to it! i'm ready for some new forms!"

didnt we go over this like five months ago?

fun stupid fact: i almost had a piece published in this issue of n+1 but i couldnt finish it on time

oh i fucked that up: the same issue this appeared in

didnt we go over this like five months ago?

― 51 fewer calories (Lamp), Friday, January 20, 2012 9:36 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

did we? i'd never seen this before.

love the disp name btw

fun fact: I am a sentence in n+1

The footnote about All Music Guide is so inaccurate and funny that I don't know where to begin.

love when writers commission the ambitious musical revolution they fantasize about but have no ability to take part in or describe in any concrete terms. "ok, musicians, hop to it! i'm ready for some new forms!"

― @51TimesNo (some dude), Friday, January 20, 2012 9:36 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

it's particularly amazing in this piece because the guy never explains what he even likes about music or why he cares about this topic but he DOES cop to listening to indie rock!

i think before we were just discussing the opening excerpt that was online at the time.

fun fact: I am a sentence in n+1

that is fun!

'uh oh i'm having a fantasy' - keith gessen on his gossip girl appearance

yeah i think in a thread about n+1 rather than one about pitchfork. some dude is right i dont think it was online yet tho but whiney and nabisco weighed in, the merits of n+1 as a thing that exists were debated i somehow managed not to embarrass myself goodtimes

"it should be called h+1+n+1 because this shit is worse than bird flu amirite"

lonely guy thinking baout things

asks for something new, regurgitates 500 things already said

amazing, insightful, 90% spot-on article, but in the spirit of indie rock...

[i]Although Broken Social Scene, Arcade Fire, Sufjan Stevens, M.I.A., and Animal Collective all produced sophisticated, intelligent music, it’s also true that they focused their sophistication and intelligence on those areas where the stakes were lowest. Instead of striking out in pursuit of new musical forms, they tweaked or remixed the sounds of earlier music, secure in the knowledge that pedantic blog writers would magnify these changes and make them seem daring. Instead of producing music that challenged and responded to that of other bands, they complimented one another in interviews, each group “doing its own thing” and appreciating the efforts of others.[i]

total horseshit. i don't know how blinded by your own thesis you'd have to be to describe MIA and animal collective primarily in terms of their "tweak[ing] the sounds of earlier music", but, uh, it'd have to be a lot. a lot blinded.

you really think this is amazing?

fubk

he makes one valid and useful point afaict--that pitchfork is about curation not criticism

you really think this is amazing?

hell yeah, but i die inside everytime that PRR thread gets bumped, so what do i know?

he makes one valid and useful point afaict--that pitchfork is about curation not criticism

he makes an even more valid and useful point in describing what it meant to be a curator in the late-indie/early-internet era

the difference between this article and PRR is miniscule aside from the overall tone and intent

xp i guess? if you haven't been paying attention for 10 years?

this article is probably 5 years too late, seriously.

hope everyone is alright being quoted on your opinion a few years from now

Pitchfork’s endless “Best Of” lists should not be read as acts of criticism, but as fantasy versions of the Billboard sales charts.

OTM, and it speaks to the weird better-than-ness that both indie and rock criticism assume without addressing

"rock criticism" meant as just that

acting like Pitchfork invented Best-Of lists is even nuttier than acting like Pitchfork invented the scale of 1 to 10

like people honestly have no idea how the grounds on which they get unreasonably mad at pitchfork totally give away the tunnel vision perspective that allowed them to get that heated to begin with

By keeping user-generated comments off the site, Pitchfork has behaved more like a magazine than the magazines have. The only major modification Schreiber made to the print template—putting reviews, not interviews or features, at the center—was an ingenious adaptation to the dynamics of internet buzz: interviews may sell the rock and roll lifestyle, but reviews are what blogs will link to and argue about. Finally, of course, there is the archive. By constantly updating and adjusting its archive—whether by deleting early reviews or by writing up a reissued album for a second time—Pitchfork has become the only music publication to attempt an account of what it felt like to be a music fan in the last fifteen years.

obvious as hell, and discussed to death around here, but OTM and well worth saying