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Is that the big site in Essex?

ENBB, Friday, 20 January 2012 15:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

yes, as was. Not heard much about it since the evictions TBH- no longer considered "news" I suppose.

good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Friday, 20 January 2012 15:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's a big change atm, i don't know what internal debate process is taking place but certainly they're settling in growing numbers and leaving camps/caravans/transiency behind

There's been an explosion in traveller population in recent years due to young families returning from england because of housing initiatives available here since 2004 or so, leading to inevitable complaints of queue-skipping etc

Nobody would be too happy to see a traveller family move next door either, it's worth pointing out, and it's be remiss of me to dismiss that as nothing but prejudice, you would have a lot higher instance of antisocial behaviour among traveller familes as opposed to settled tbh

(govtname)mac (darraghmac), Friday, 20 January 2012 15:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

neil- many of those families moved to a ?legal? site nearby iirc

(govtname)mac (darraghmac), Friday, 20 January 2012 15:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

yes- but more legal shenanigans by the look of it: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jan/19/dale-farm-travellers-eviction-battle?newsfeed=true

good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Friday, 20 January 2012 15:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

As far as i know, until the 1990s local authorities in England were forced by law to provide halting sites for nomadic populations. That was abolished, forcing travellers and nomadic Roma groups to settle on private land, which causes all sorts of problems.

At the same time, there's also a responsibility to house them in regular council developments should they wish to take up that option. More and more, in the UK at least, are doing that because it's not worth the hassle of moving from one site to the next, waiting to be evicted.

Mohombi Khush Hua (ShariVari), Friday, 20 January 2012 15:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

heh you wouldn't know by my constant waffling but i'm on a phone so can't access articles in real time, will take a look later

(govtname)mac (darraghmac), Friday, 20 January 2012 15:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

2.40, 3.20, 4.15 for the real action moments

pet tommy & the barkhaters (darraghmac), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 23:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

I just learned Garda is the police? Man, at least one dn makes more sense now.

mh, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 23:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

now i'm watchin fights, can't help it

pet tommy & the barkhaters (darraghmac), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 23:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

I watched Knuckle the other week. Those fuckin guys.

my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Thursday, 10 May 2012 09:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

Is this what is meant by "I've a horse outside"?

i will show you fear in a handful of nuts (how's life), Thursday, 10 May 2012 12:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

broadly yes, tbh

pet tommy & the barkhaters (darraghmac), Thursday, 10 May 2012 12:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

7 months pass...

connors family convicted of forced labour, nasty fuckin details tbh

first u get the flower, then u get the honey, then u get the stamen (darraghmac), Friday, 14 December 2012 14:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Irish Travelers use a secret argot or cant known as Gammon. It is used primarily to conceal meaning from outsiders, especially during business transactions and in the presence of police. Most Gammon utterances are terse and spoken so quickly that a non-Traveler might conclude the words merely had been garbled. Most Gammon words were formed from Irish Gaelic by applying four techniques: reversal, metathesis, affixing, and substitution. In the first, an Irish word is reversed to form a Gammon one - mac, or son, in Irish became kam in Gammon. In the second, consonants or consonant clusters were transposed. Thirdly, a sound or cluster of sounds were either prefixed or suffixed to an Irish word. Some of the more frequently prefixed sounds were s, gr, and g. For example, Obair, work or job, became gruber in Gammon. Lastly, many Gammon words were formed by substituting an arbitrary consonant or consonant cluster in an Irish word. In recent years, modern slang and Romani (the language of the gypsies) words have been incorporated. The grammar and syntax are English. The first vocabulary collected from Irish Travelers was published in 1808, indicating that Gammon dates at least back to the 1700s. But many early Celtic scholars who studied it, including the eminent Kuno Meyer, concluded it was much older.

i was gonna try to learn java or c# or something useful, but doesn't this sound fun?

b'hurt's tauntin' (darraghmac), Wednesday, 30 January 2013 01:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

that sounds like bullshit.

Say Bo to a (Fizzles), Wednesday, 30 January 2013 01:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

I mean more fun, but bullsjit.

Say Bo to a (Fizzles), Wednesday, 30 January 2013 01:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

when you've heard it spoken it sounds like idk what

b'hurt's tauntin' (darraghmac), Wednesday, 30 January 2013 01:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

tbf i could say the same about english as spoken round my way so pinch of salt with yr gammon

b'hurt's tauntin' (darraghmac), Wednesday, 30 January 2013 01:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeh for sure. English is one of the most skewed accents I've heered.

Say Bo to a (Fizzles), Wednesday, 30 January 2013 01:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

idk the whole secret cant feels too organised a concept. cant/jargon feels like a general language thing.

Say Bo to a (Fizzles), Wednesday, 30 January 2013 01:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

dont all languages have thieves cants

How many of these effluential surveys do you take? (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Wednesday, 30 January 2013 01:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

russian certainly does

lombards probably describe all southern dialects thusly

How many of these effluential surveys do you take? (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Wednesday, 30 January 2013 01:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

apparently the 'secrecy' aspect is overstressed

xp probably

i remember after moving the 15th or 16th time all the travellers kids in the new town assumed i was one of em and kept addressing me in gammon for like 3-4 months it was weird

b'hurt's tauntin' (darraghmac), Wednesday, 30 January 2013 01:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

do you look like your parents? maybe you are secretly a traveller by blood and they knew it

mh, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 01:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

by the time you've moved 15 times the blood kinda starts to become insignificant tbph

b'hurt's tauntin' (darraghmac), Wednesday, 30 January 2013 02:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

Cockney rhyming slang and Polari are generally talked about as being "secret" argots as well, i think. idk how true that is in the case of the former.

Head Cheerleader, Homecoming Queen and part-time model (ShariVari), Wednesday, 30 January 2013 09:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

Is Gammon the same as shelta?

questino (seandalai), Wednesday, 30 January 2013 12:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

Ah, apparently so: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelta

questino (seandalai), Wednesday, 30 January 2013 12:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

that's lightweight gammon

dog latin, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 12:55 (1 year ago) Permalink


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