http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_pj2ghas2INo/THdIIK9ebVI/AAAAAAAAB1A/aqC8nE8g1JQ/s320/gypsy1962.bmp
― Famous porn scenes like "shake that bear" (Phil D.), Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:08 (twelve years ago) link
(seems like the word was used first w/r/t the romani and not as a word that could also include irish travellers)
yes, irish travellers are ethnically irish and classed as a social group here, not as a separate ethnic group- they are in the UK.
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:08 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, there are a lot of traveling groups that have been called gypsies, but it's the roma population that has traditionally been linked to it stereotypically and historically, right? especially with those silly appropriative costumes.
i don't know much about the history, it jsut seems in general that referring to yourself as "gypsy" without having an actual link to it beyond "nomadism" is bound to offend someone. i've seen plenty of drama about it on internet places at least (tumblr whites with 'gypsy' in their sn, mostly)
― Bruce K. Tedesco (zachlyon), Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:09 (twelve years ago) link
Gypsy portrays negative stereotypes of Romanies all being strippers
― the smell of Whiney's cheap perfume (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:10 (twelve years ago) link
I kind of want to start a thread spinning off from this one - how accountable should people from another culture be towards standards of racism in your own culture
obv (at least on this board) we are all part of the larger the_west but this "gyp shouldn't be considered offensive in america" argument seems like a flip of the "well I'm British!" argument that's been shot down before
― I am that young sis, the beacon, a yardstick (dayo), Thursday, January 19, 2012 4:05 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
this is something i've been thinking about/encountering a lot
― Bruce K. Tedesco (zachlyon), Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:10 (twelve years ago) link
This movie was awesome (for a Bill Paxon/Mark Wahlberg movie.)
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51S0VHAG7PL._SL500_AA500_.jpg
― pplains, Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:11 (twelve years ago) link
interesting, i'd personally never refer to a traveller as a gypsy- it's not up there with knacker or tinker as a derogatory term but i'd have considered it the type of word my grandparents would have used. in fact, tinker/knacker itself is a term that wasn't ever used in a perjorative manner historically- both words refer to common livelihoods in travellers up to maybe the 60's- but they're both considered poor form (knacker a lot worse than poor form) to use today
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Thursday, January 19, 2012 4:06 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Interesting, D. The whole reason this is interesting to me is because I recently met an Irish Traveller ("Well, I'm Irish but I was born in Bristol so I'm English too and have lived all over so I'm kinda from everywhere") who was later refereed to as a gypsy (by an English person)and I was all sorts of confused. What do you mean a gypsy? You know, a gypsy, an Irish Traveller (using them interchangeably). Anyway that all led to me reading up on some of this and trying to get some clarification. Not all that cut and dry. I'm now reading (like literally have open in another tab) that there are Irish Traveller communities in the States - who knew?!
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:13 (twelve years ago) link
i work a lot with travellers, it's nice to be an ilxpert on something
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:15 (twelve years ago) link
kind of hoping people who are from and living in Japan start posting
― mh, Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:15 (twelve years ago) link
(when it comes to bizarro racist caricature and stereotypes)
how close is this discussion to the subject of crust punks/street kids right now
― Bruce K. Tedesco (zachlyon), Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:16 (twelve years ago) link
still a ways off, I think. Although I have a friend who lived somewhat of that lifestyle and also was really into hopping trains for a few years
― mh, Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:17 (twelve years ago) link
tbh the traveller community is pretty damn interesting - a lot of it, at least
Also re "My Big Fat Gypsy Wedding". They use Gypsy in the title but gypsy/traveller interchangeably in the show even though most of the ppl featured on the show are actually Irish travellers. I think that is pretty common in UK media and maybe why the distinction isn't all that clear?
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:19 (twelve years ago) link
I hear talk of Travelers around where I live (no, not the Arkansaw Traveler.)
Guys showing up with extra oil from another job and making a deal to seal it on your driveway.
Or painting address numbers on the curb that wash away with the first rain.
― pplains, Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:19 (twelve years ago) link
x-post - My best friend's little sister ran away from home at 16 to be a crust punks/street kids. I spent several nights out looking for her on the streets when I'd heard she might be in town. I know more than I'd like to about the subject tbh. She hopped trains too at one point.
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:21 (twelve years ago) link
there should be a sci-fi movie about time gypsies aka time travelers who venture back and forth through time conning people
― omar little, Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:22 (twelve years ago) link
they would call it TIME GYP
― I am that young sis, the beacon, a yardstick (dayo), Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:22 (twelve years ago) link
PP - yeah, most of the traveller communities in the states seem to be in the south and are descended from travellers who left during the Famine, I guess.
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:23 (twelve years ago) link
tarmacadam, kerblaying, painting are big traveller jobs in england so i'd guess the same over in the states
here, tbh, nobody would be likely to hire a known traveller workgang. the majority of known traveller community income comes from scrap metal deadling and welfare, the majority of assumed traveller income comes from illegal fighting and betting on same and criminal activity
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:23 (twelve years ago) link
timegyp awes
"they painted ID numbers on my starship and they washed off the first time i passed through a supernova."
― omar little, Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:23 (twelve years ago) link
'what do you mean the warpdrive is missing?'
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:24 (twelve years ago) link
ENBB how old is she now/she hasn't come back at all? that's the worst.
― Bruce K. Tedesco (zachlyon), Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:26 (twelve years ago) link
R.A. Lafferty's story "Land of the Great Horses" isn't quite this but it does deal with gypsies and time travel, of a sort.
― the smell of Whiney's cheap perfume (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:26 (twelve years ago) link
― I am that young sis, the beacon, a yardstick (dayo), Thursday, January 19, 2012 3:22 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
TIME TRAVELLER
― pplains, Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:26 (twelve years ago) link
"this so-called piece of rare metal from the betelgeusean system ended up being from pluto."
― omar little, Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:27 (twelve years ago) link
making a killing stripping down the remnants of the death star
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:31 (twelve years ago) link
- "So you went back in time to save Lincoln from being shot?"- "No, but I did do a really shitty job painting his barn."
― pplains, Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:31 (twelve years ago) link
Time travel + Gypsies = Tim Powers' awesome Anubis Gates.
Also I like how we've established that there's no gypsies/travellers/roma on this thread, so it's a-ok for racist jokes about them.
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:53 (twelve years ago) link
hmm i think imagining, as ilx is wont to do, what themes might run through a traveller-themed space movie doesn;t quite qualify, but i dunno
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:57 (twelve years ago) link
like i'm EVER going to catch up with the 238974394723947829342 posts since my monkey-ignorance post ~8 hours ago but
1. djp otm re learning that a word has racist connotations then never ever using it ever again2. had no idea whatsoever about the 'uppity' thing until this morning (thanks urbandictionary)3. ilx needs a racist word cataloguing thread for those of us who might say 'butter dish' without knowing what it means
― Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 19 January 2012 22:01 (twelve years ago) link
xp i suppose we could ask the 'Is This Racist' thread, tbf
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 January 2012 22:01 (twelve years ago) link
oh god i just looked up 'butter dish'
holy shit just GIS'd 'butter dish' these eyes these eyes doc they've seen too much
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 January 2012 22:03 (twelve years ago) link
I'm glad you two feel like you can joke about this.
http://images.gama-go.com/product/lifestyle/buddha-butter-dish-4.jpg
― pplains, Thursday, 19 January 2012 22:05 (twelve years ago) link
guys i don't see anything particularly...oh fuck
― omar little, Thursday, 19 January 2012 22:05 (twelve years ago) link
that's not racist look how happy he is!
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 January 2012 22:06 (twelve years ago) link
i have a bunch of smiley Buddha's in the house :(
none of them are butter dishes tho, but one is a money box
― the smell of Whiney's cheap perfume (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 19 January 2012 22:08 (twelve years ago) link
fap at NV's house, i'll just hang back and rest my legs while you guys get the tour from him.
― omar little, Thursday, 19 January 2012 22:09 (twelve years ago) link
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Thursday, January 19, 2012 3:57 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/3f/Pluto_Nash.jpg/220px-Pluto_Nash.jpg
― mh, Thursday, 19 January 2012 22:10 (twelve years ago) link
omar i think he's got about 60p in him, sorry
― the smell of Whiney's cheap perfume (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 19 January 2012 22:11 (twelve years ago) link
lol @ underlined "man"
― omar little, Thursday, 19 January 2012 22:11 (twelve years ago) link
damn
loses points for not spelling it 'da man' tho
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 January 2012 22:12 (twelve years ago) link
he da maaaan on da moooon
― ah, how quaint (Matt P), Thursday, 19 January 2012 22:15 (twelve years ago) link
Face book status update just now from girl I used to work with:
Lol my daughter comes home from school just now and says "was good lil niggie"Had to laugh! Lmbo.
Girl is P Rican and her daughter is a quarter black. Girl is in preschool.
Discuss.
― ENBB, Thursday, 19 January 2012 22:16 (twelve years ago) link
no chance
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 January 2012 22:17 (twelve years ago) link
that is a massive can of worms
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Thursday, 19 January 2012 22:18 (twelve years ago) link
each worm holding its own smaller can of worms
russian cans of worms
― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 January 2012 22:18 (twelve years ago) link