Rolling like tumble weed Afro-Latin music thread 2012 (salsa, cumbia, reggaeton, tribal guarachero, etc.)

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Don Omar's "Taboo" got 2 votes, and I think Unperson--now Chinese Character name (Ph#L Fr**m*n) voted for some Latino artists

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 16:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

I voted for "Taboo" in the ILM poll but I'm kind of embarrassed to have voted for it. It's not very good.

John Gaw Meme (_Rudipherous_), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 16:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

I don't know, I could swear Danza Kuduro was already pretty ubiquitous in 2010. Maybe I'm mis-remembering.

John Gaw Meme (_Rudipherous_), Thursday, 19 January 2012 03:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think the search function was compromised by the down time on ILX. "Danza Kuduro" only brings up one reference, but I'm sure it was mentioned by name here more than once.

Anyway, listening to this Bio Ritmo album and really not into it. I don't care for the vocals. Some of what makes the band "quirky" just seems to be the inclusion of dubious "progressive" touches (in terms of keyboard sounds, for instance) that remind me of bad aesthetic choices in some late 70s salsa (but minus the brilliant individuals involved). It's also a bit laid back for my taste, though I guess there's nothing wrong with that--and also maybe uneventful, for salsa. Somehow they always end up sounding like a local band, rather than big time, even though they are pretty polished.

John Gaw Meme (_Rudipherous_), Thursday, 19 January 2012 04:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

i don't know anything about the timeline but might the danza kurudo sounding ubiquitous part be due to it being mostly a copy of the original that was still around

fauxmarc, Thursday, 19 January 2012 16:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

In this case, I don't think so, since I don't think I heard that song before hand. I'm probably just getting my chronology mixed.

John Gaw Meme (_Rudipherous_), Thursday, 19 January 2012 17:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

Omar doing "Taboo" and "Kuduro" appear on Billboard's 2011 year-end chart

http://www.billboard.com/charts-year-end/hot-latin-songs?year=2011#/charts-year-end/hot-latin-songs?year=2011

curmudgeon, Thursday, 19 January 2012 18:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

Hi long time no visit, I was catching up on the 2011 posts too. A few comments;

- Danza Kuduro was on my playlist back in summer 2010

- The bachata CD Ned Sublette liked was Bachata Roja (I think), keep in mind that bachata back in the day sounded nothing like it does now

- This is an interesting mix of influences from the guy who leads Bio Ritmo, it's certainly better than their own CD (imho)

http://www.parisdjs.com/index.php/post/Bio-Ritmo-Salsa-Pal-Mundo

I was looking through the salsa that came out in 2011, pretty disappointing overall I felt. The new La Excelencia CD drops in Feb 2012 and promises much if their teaser La Economia is anything to go by.

BTW, I really liked the Don Omar CD, I think he was trying to play Daddy Yankee at his own game and did a pretty good job.

Thanks for keeping the thread going, I always find it interesting.

Marco

Marcomarcos, Thursday, 19 January 2012 19:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

Marcomarcos, believe it or not, I was just thinking about you. I was thinking you had given up on this thread because of the constant negativity (mostly from me). But now it turns out even you had trouble finding anything much to like in 2011 salsa.

That Bio Ritmo playlist looks interesting. Will definitely check it out later.

John Gaw Meme (_Rudipherous_), Thursday, 19 January 2012 19:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

Saw Buika do 3 songs with Chucho Valdes and his band at a sold-out Carnegie Hall gig in NYC Saturday night(was up there visiting for the weekend). Chucho was good but a little too tasteful sometimes ("Satin Doll,") but I liked when his percussionists went to town. Plus they did one Santeria like Afro-Cuban folky chanted number I liked alot. I wish Buika would have sung more songs.

curmudgeon, Monday, 23 January 2012 19:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

Ned S*blette was raving in his email about a Friday the 20th gig he saw (and participated in?) in NYC with a who's of NYC Latin-jazz folks led by Arturo O'Farrill. Latin-jazz can be enjoyable but it is pretty formulaic it seems these days.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 24 January 2012 13:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

Should I spend my time listening to El Chaval de Bachata, who is coming to the late night suburban DC Latino club Galaxy in February? I see from Wiki he has been around for awhile

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 24 January 2012 18:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

Not sure, sorry.

John Gaw Meme (_Rudipherous_), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 19:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

javier estrada's all-tropic mixtape. mostly guarachero at the first half but gets moombahton in at the end - not a moom fan myself but what he puts in isn't too bad

http://soundcloud.com/panamerika/tropic-all-mixtape-por-javier

fauxmarc, Tuesday, 24 January 2012 19:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

Just saw a reference to a 2010 animated movie called "Chico and Rita" directed by Fernando Trueba (directed Calle 54) and Javier Mariscal, and do not recall anyone discussing it. I wonder how it is.

A gifted songwriter and beautiful singer chase their dreams – and each other – from Havana to New York and Las Vegas. Chico is a young piano player with big dreams. Rita is a beautiful singer with an extraordinary voice.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 24 January 2012 20:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

Chico & Rita - this is a short review I wrote in Sept 2010;

We had a Cuban night yesterday, heading down to the Barbican to watch two new movies made in co-op with the Spanish film industry and TVE. Chico & Rita was my favourite.

Set in 1948 Habana, a talented young jazz pianist meets a beautiful singer with a captivating voice. United by music and desire, they embark on a passionate and tormented love affair that takes them from Cuba to the neon lights of New York and Las Vegas.

The film is an animation and it’s spectacular, recreating the exuberance of 1940s Havana and 1950′s NY and Vegas. The story also cleverly incorporates famous incidents from latin music history such as the death of Chano Pozo, the drugs raid and subsequent closure of the Palladium Ballroom and the Buena Vista phenomenon.

The film is underscored by a great soundtrack from Bebo Valdés, featuring Thelonious Monk, Cole Porter, Dizzy Gillespie, Charlie Parker, Chucho Valdés, Puente and more.

Ladies will love the sentimentality of the film’s ending and would do well to have their tissues at the ready.

Make sure you see this when it gets a general release.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kMdL4Y5KB6A

Marcomarcos, Tuesday, 24 January 2012 22:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

Thanks.

x-post to my own post re Chucho:
New Yorker Ed Morales is also writing for Univision. Here he is on their tumbler raving about the Chucho Valdes show at Carnegie Hall that I was at

http://univisionnews.tumblr.com/post/16371220793/chucho-valdes-buika-carnegie-hall

Here's another take on the weekend of Latin-Jazz in NYC. Writer Larry Blumenfield, for the Village Voice, says "Valdés sometimes seems like James Brown in his prime"

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/2012/01/afro_latin_jazz_orchestra_january_20_chucho_valdes_january_21_review.php

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 25 January 2012 13:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

Seems to me that Valdes often just wants to be an improvising jazz cat and not play those more straight-forward Latin rhythms. His choice.

curmudgeon, Monday, 30 January 2012 14:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

Got an email about a new Chicha Libre album, Canibalismo. Have not listened yet. Oh, public release not till May. A big long tour in support: a worldwide tour that includes stops in Los Angeles, San Francisco, New York, Buenos Aires, Santiago, Bogota, Madrid, Barcelona, Paris, and Moscow.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 7 February 2012 14:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

ArtsBeat - New York Times Blog
February 6, 2012, 3:44 pm
With No Place at Grammys, Latin Jazz Artists Plan Their Own Concert
By JAMES C. MCKINLEY JR.

A group of Latin jazz musicians are planning to hold a concert in Los Angeles on the same night as the Grammy Awards to protest the decision that eliminated 31 categories from this year’s awards, protest organizers announced Monday. The concert will follow an afternoon rally on Sunday to be held on a street corner outside the Staples Center, where pop music’s royalty will be assembled for the flashy annual Grammys bash.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 7 February 2012 15:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

I wish singer Choco Orta would tour. She's gonna be in NYC uptown as part of Salsa Wednesdays at Taíno Towers on February 29th at 240 E. 123rd Street between 2nd and 3rd Avenues

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 7 February 2012 15:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

Not the Grammys participants: Ray Carrion and his Latin Jazz All Stars will head the bill, along with John Santos, Bobby Matos and Oscar Hernandez.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 7 February 2012 15:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

Izzy Sanabria anounced on his facebook page today that Jimmy Sabater passed away today. La Excelencia posted "Jimmy Sabater was a great singer, timbalero and and one of the inspirations to La Excelencia. May God have him in his Glory. Our condolences to the Sabater family your in our prayers".

Very sad news.

I wanted to tip you guys off to a really fantastic release, myself and DJ Dave Hucker over here in London UK both agree it's already in the modern classic hall of fame. Don't be put off if Timba doesn't usually do it for you, just make sure you hear it and listen with an open mind, it's cinemascope music. And for once the hype of the descarga review is justified;

http://www.descarga.com/cgi-bin/db/24670.10

Marcomarcos, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 21:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

Judging by the audio clips, this sounds like it would be way too timba for me, regardless of your attempt to put that issue aside.

_Rudipherous_, Thursday, 9 February 2012 04:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

If I had any money to spend on CDs, I'd be buying a lot of these dubiously legal Rareza reissues.

_Rudipherous_, Thursday, 9 February 2012 04:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

http://soul-sides.com/2012/02/remembering-jimmy-sabater/

singer and sometimes writer with the Joe Cuba Sextet

curmudgeon, Friday, 10 February 2012 14:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

I have a major aversion to Timba too and had no interest whatsoever in listening to this when I was sent a copy. But believe me Mis 22 Anos is a stunning record, I can't really explain, you just have to hear it with your own ears. You get no feeling whatsoever as to the twists and turns each track takes on those clips, there's some very hard and funky salsa in those grooves.

The Subway Salsa Montuno Records release is a killer too.

Marcomarcos, Saturday, 11 February 2012 01:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

I will give it a shot

curmudgeon, Saturday, 11 February 2012 14:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

Marco, have you heard the new Bloque 53 yet? I know you like them (not a fan myself). I hear a lot of modern Cuban influence in the vocals on the first clip here: http://www.descarga.com/cgi-bin/db/24690.10?KMtM2HnK;;393

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 16:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

Listening to clips from the new Azucar Negra. Ugh, real timba first thing in the morning.

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 16:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

Really difficult.

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 16:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

Funny though, I have to admit that in the handful of dance classes I've taken over the past year or so, when instructors throw on Los Van Van or Manolito I end up enjoyng it, even if I initially wrinkle my face up.

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 16:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

God these [expletive deleted] really stick to the formula most of the time. I bet the timberos are going to love this.

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 16:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

Just starting to check this out now. I can't remember why I ever liked Mayito Rivera's vocals. And why do the trumpets always sound the same in practically every contemporary Cuban song? It's a disctinctive Cuban trumpet sound and it bugs me inexplicably. The groove is good (except for that annoying heavy-footed thump they have started throwing in on so many songs). As usual, they do get credit for energy.

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 19 February 2012 01:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

Oh, "this" is the NG la Banda album, not the Azucar Negra that was the last thing I'd mentioned on the thread.

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 19 February 2012 01:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

Looks like this is the Ned S*blette show you are talking about upthread
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/23/arts/music/afro-latin-jazz-orchestra-at-symphony-space-review.html

Dalai Mixture (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 19 February 2012 02:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

That trumpet sound is extremely pinched. Is it a combination of using mutes and some sort of electronic effect? I just don't know, but it's all over contemporary Cuban music (and has been since some point in the 90s). There have been times I've semi-liked it because it's so identifiable, but it just bugs me again at this point. Does anyone else have any idea what I'm talking about?

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 19 February 2012 04:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

I don't know, man, this album sounds like timba to me. I don't see how it's so different.

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 19 February 2012 04:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

Really hate the way they use the traditional drum-kit.

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 19 February 2012 04:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

But again, they have something going on and it has a lot of energy--but: ugh.

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 19 February 2012 05:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

Plus too much Latin jazz.

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 19 February 2012 05:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

I don't WANT the three underscored with a heavy drum thud. Why? Why do they do that?

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 19 February 2012 15:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

Deforms the rhythm, imo.

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 19 February 2012 15:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

How is this album not quintessentially timba?

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 19 February 2012 15:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

Twenty posts of me complaining about a genre nobody on ILM cares about.

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 19 February 2012 16:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

And "Mambo Number Cero" is just inexcusable.

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 19 February 2012 16:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

Twenty posts of me complaining about a genre nobody on ILM cares about.

― _Rudipherous_, Sunday, February 19, 2012 10:01 AM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark

fwiw, i loled

Laura Lucy Lynn (La Lechera), Sunday, 19 February 2012 16:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

ha.

curmudgeon, Monday, 20 February 2012 08:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

Could have been worse, whiney or deej could have taken an interest.

Can You Please POLL Out Your Window? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 20 February 2012 13:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

Might be DJing next week in London - planning to go heavy on the reggaeton. Any great new electro-cumbia songs i should be thinking about playing as well?

Mohombi Khush Hua (ShariVari), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 14:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

Meridian Brothers do quirky. The sound of that track isn't really a viable sound for salsa in general, plus the whole project is yet more retro music, even if it's a different sort of retro.

Maybe cumbia has made the leap more easily because it doesn't require as much rhythmic complexity? Or maybe improvisation is more central to salsa, and harder to approximate electronically.

Anyway, I don't think technological progress equates to aesthetic progress. But then aesthetic value is fuzzy and endlessly debatable, so of course it doesn't.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 15 December 2012 16:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

I checked out that Meridian Brothers album a little while back and just found it annoying.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 15 December 2012 16:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

Mostly I hate everything.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 15 December 2012 17:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

I figured that if it was on Soundway it was retro but just posted it because I came across that title

curmudgeon, Saturday, 15 December 2012 18:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

To go full circle (they were discussed on here at the start of the year) Bio Ritmo also do a very creditable attempt at modernising salsa. Despite the hipster label they do really cut it live too

Marcomarcos, Sunday, 16 December 2012 23:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

Marco, do you happen to know any good English language online sources for keeping current with (or catching up with!) cumbia? Any good books in English on the topic, especially from a listener/collector perspective (not so much ethnomusicology, though I'm willing to venture into that if necessary).

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 16 December 2012 23:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

I saw Bio Ritmo only once, at a really under-attended show in Philadelphia. They were annoyed with me for requesting a merengue (so I could dance with some non-salsera friends), but my friends and I probably made up about a third of the audience. I was still very new to salsa at the time and didn't really understand the politics of requesting a merengue, so to speak. I wouldn't do that today unless I knew for sure the band was into playing merengue.

They were okay but did seem dispirited by the poor turnout.

Live clip above sounds decent.

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 16 December 2012 23:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

What is that song in the middle of the clip? Sounds familiar, but the arrangement seems very different. Possibly from Roberto Roena's La 8va Maravilla? Somehow that doesn't sound quite right.

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 16 December 2012 23:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

Might be Azuquita.

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 16 December 2012 23:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

It reminds me of "Cuarto Bate" by Azuquita (at least that's where I've heard the song) but maybe it's just similar.

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 16 December 2012 23:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

Richmond, VA Bio Ritmo play DC regularly but I have gone only once (they were fun). I also like their offshoot group Miramar that revives '50s and '60s Puerto Rican boleros. Not very modern, I know.

curmudgeon, Monday, 17 December 2012 21:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

Not salsa-- Argentine electro-something dj
EL G is the DJ name of Grant C. Dull, label manager of ZZK Records, co-founder of Zizek Club and a 8-year adopted citizen & cultural ambassador of Buenos Aires.

12/28/12 @ Beauty Bar – Chicago, IL [LINK]

12/29/12 @ Eighteenth Street Lounge – Washington DC [LINK]

01/04/12 @ BPM Studios (BomBeat) – Williamsburg, Brooklyn, NY [LINK]

01/05/13 @ Fox Haven (Bombon) – Houston, TX [LINK]

01/12/13 @ Elbo Room (Tormenta Tropical) – San Francisco, CA [LINK]

01/16/13 @ Eastside Luv (Subsuelo) – Los Angeles, CA

01/17/13 @ Zanzibar (Afro Funke’) – Santa Monica, CA [LINK]

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 18 December 2012 23:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

Death to indie cumbia.

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 18 December 2012 23:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

Nah, I don't really care one way or another.

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 18 December 2012 23:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

I listened to the beginning of the Future Sounds of Buenos Aires and wasn't into it.

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 18 December 2012 23:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

Probably not my thing either. As for other things--I did listen to Mexican indie-rock singer Carla Morrison but her ballad-heavy approach does not interest me in the way that Julieta Venegas does/did. Gonna try and see if another NPR fave, Bomba Estereo, has improved as the NPR folks claim. No salsa, but I've been listening to old mambo on a Sunnday radio show.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 18 December 2012 23:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

Hmmmm, wonder if it is worth $30 to see and dance to salseros Paquito Guzman and Raulin Rosendo at Cuba Libre in DC on Sunday the 23rd?

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 13:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think I saw Guzman once and wasn't too pleased, but honestly can't remember. Doesn't he have kind of an overblown melodramatic style? That's something that doesn't tend to survive well as a singer ages, in my view. Not to be obnoxious, but he seems like a performer well past his prime.

_Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 15:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

Raulin Rosendo not really ringing any bells beyond name recognition.

_Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 15:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

Me too. He's come to DC a lot over the years but I just know that he's a 50-something Dominican salsa singer.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 16:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

been very much into el g and a lot of the zzk crew (el remolon, frikstailers, villa diamante) for a few years now, nice to see that they're coming to dc but the line at esl on saturdays is ridiculously long, i guess less so if gotten there earlier, and i'm not too into the crowd. i'd try and brave it but the old school vinyl thing at u hall that night's going to be what's up

fauxmarc, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 16:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

OT shot in the dark: does anyone know of any good book-length overviews of Argentina's history? (No need to check amazon or WorldCat, etc. for me. I can do that myself. Just wondering if anyone happens to be able to recommend one off-hand.)

_Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 16:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

Might be old newsy wewsies, but did you guys see this thing that's out on Analog Africa:

Albert Crampus (NickB), Wednesday, 19 December 2012 17:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

Saw it but haven't checked it out.

_Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 17:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

haven't heard, but would listen to!!

passion it person (La Lechera), Wednesday, 19 December 2012 19:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

Listen away...
http://open.spotify.com/album/6EsqKrqreoVsnArRLYg77B

Albert Crampus (NickB), Wednesday, 19 December 2012 19:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

Think I read that disc two is the cumbia one

Albert Crampus (NickB), Wednesday, 19 December 2012 19:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

I recognize a lot of the names on here -- I wish someone would just reissue whole albums by some of these people -- Wganda Kenya, por ejemplo -- I get tired of listening to other people's comps all the time! I don't have the time (or inclination really) to travel to places where I could find these original records, so won't someone bring them to me?

Also it has been ages since I heard the word Valledupar! I still predict that there is a vallenato revival on the horizon.

passion it person (La Lechera), Wednesday, 19 December 2012 19:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

Actually, that's not true -- I would love to travel, I just wouldn't do it solely to find records that I'm sure I wouldn't find anyway.

passion it person (La Lechera), Wednesday, 19 December 2012 19:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

I've been enjoying this over the last few days too

passion it person (La Lechera), Wednesday, 19 December 2012 19:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

Saw them two months ago. Pretty fun.

TS: shambala vs. sha la la, man (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 20 December 2012 02:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

Got that Diablos del Ritmo comp in the mail a while back, only listened to bits of Disc 1 so far but it's kinda fun.

誤訳侮辱, Thursday, 20 December 2012 03:10 (2 years ago) Permalink


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