jop jop jop pazz and jop 2011

dr. MORBiuS

Of your picks this year, I have Cauldron, Blood Ceremony and Vektor as metal. Sound right?

Well, I'd say you missed two (see above), but I'm not gonna quibble about it.

The only thing I didn't get about Dr. M's original post was why an album at #58 and a single at #33 was proof that "u ppl shore like" the JF.

that too

Oh, I see. Yeah, I'd call Nazareth and Gentlemen's Pistols hard rock, not metal. My basic rule is that a band has to either be in EM, or their Wikipedia page has to describe them as metal in the first sentence.

gotta say I'm pleasantly surprised at Raphael Saadiq's Stone Rollin''s placing (#39 with 33 votes), I figured it would get nowhere near the (inferior) The Way I See It (#18 with 45 votes in 2008) but it had a pretty respectable showing.

Much of pop music—with a few exceptions, and God bless Lady Gaga—had a bread and circuses flavor this year, especially as experienced online. As long as we're arguing amongst ourselves about Lana Del Rey or Tyler, the Creator, we're not discussing unemployment, #OWS, or the simple fact that the majority of GOP presidential candidates are certifiably batshit crazy.

Jim Testa
Weehawken, New Jersey

Amazed anyone still seriously uses "bread and circuses" about pop music. Most of the people (ILX mainly) I discussed OWS with were the same people I discussed Tyler and LDR with. Amazing how the human brain can accommodate more than one topic.

think of all the starving children he could have been feeding (or at least TALKING about feeding) at the exact moment he was writing that shitty Pazz & Jop comment instead

I know my biggest concern in the world today is that not enough people have been talking about why Herman Cain and Newt Gingrich are kinda nutty.

think about all the poor children who can't afford circuses.

The only thing I didn't get about Dr. M's original post was why an album at #58 and a single at #33 was proof that "u ppl shore like" the JF.

By 'you people' I meant most of the 8 or so ILXors whose ballots I looked at.

sd, I'd love to explain every little goofy nuance of all my posts to you but zzzzzzzz

at this point the gop presidential race is way more bread+circuses than pop music

for what's its worth, my comments were ALL about the destruction of the human race. but i am thinking about LDR right now...

late to the thread but are you fucking kidding me re: tune-yards??

^^^ woke up to my Facebook feed clogged with these posts.

^^^ sang this post to the tune of "Turn My Swag On"

Whiney, I think you have to give up complaining about mediocre indie rock and middlebrow rap when your cash your first spin paycheck

tbf Spin's top 20 rap albums was superior in every possible way to P&J's top 20 rap albums

who's the biggest "oh hey i guess they put out an album this year" artist on the list -- for me it was The Decemberists

― Whitechocolatespacecase (some dude), Wednesday, January 18, 2012 10:10 AM (49 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

their album went #1 this year!

US Number 1 Albums Of 2011

Highest artist that I have not heard of on the Albums list:
57 The Men, Leave Home

Highest artist that I have not heard of on the singles list:
44 Blawan, "Getting Me Down"

Still pissed they got rid of the reissues category.

also btw jon/via/chi I'm actually really really impressed by your ballot

i don't really get the passion some people have for year-end reissues lists -- like i think it's great that reissues are consumed and written about but imo it doesn't lend itself to year-end listmaking like new releases.

can't find 'Jon Viachi' on the ballots page...is his real name Jonny Leather?

xpost -- Agreed, and related to that:

doesn't ned do pazz & jop? he could have been the 3rd vote for the 5 eps.

Conflict of interest! And I did submit a ballot for the first time in a while. Full rundown of all choices done last month on my blog.

no singles? BAD ned, bad bad ned ::waves rolled up newspaper::

Fuck a singles list.

can't find 'Jon Viachi' on the ballots page...is his real name Jonny Leather?

He's the fourth Jonathan alphabetically.

(Apologies for using your GOVERNMENT NAME.)

undone - the brah song

Whiney, I think you have to give up complaining about mediocre indie rock and middlebrow rap when your cash your first spin paycheck

― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, January 18, 2012 11:08 AM (39 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

tbf Spin's top 20 rap albums was superior in every possible way to P&J's top 20 rap albums

― Whitechocolatespacecase (some dude), Wednesday, January 18, 2012 11:09 AM (37 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Our top 40 list is better than the Pazz top 40 too....

yeah apologies jvc xxp

http://www.savewesternoh.org/images/Give%20Me%20a%20Break%20Stossel.jpg

xp

well, for better or worse i feel like MOST halfway decent year-end lists compiled by an individual critic or specific publication's staff tend to be "better" than P&J, the latter just holds more weight in the consensus-measuring sense. i was just depending Spin against the 'middlebrow rap' zing because that list was suitably goonish.

i don't really get the passion some people have for year-end reissues lists -- like i think it's great that reissues are consumed and written about but imo it doesn't lend itself to year-end listmaking like new releases.
I just think reissues/compilations should be a separate category — as P&J did in the past — so as not to confuse things or split votes. What’s the point of an old Smashing Pumpkins album or the Beach Boys “Smile” box set competing with new music released in 2011?
In 1991, P&J wisely kept “Nevermind” from going up against “James Brown: Star Time,” “The Complete Stax-Volt Singles 1958-1968,” “Ray Charles: The Birth of Soul” or “Phil Spector: Back to Mono (1958-1969).” Similarly, three year’s later Hole’s “Live Through This” didn’t compete with “Louis Armstrong: Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man: 1923-34.”
Plus, I just want to see if I missed anything. Without a separate category, there are fewer reissues mentioned overall IMO.

yeah i definitely agree that reissues being in the main poll clouds things up, i raised an eyebrow earlier today at this ballot that has THREE reissues of very popular well known albums on it:
http://www.villagevoice.com/pazznjop/critics/2011/686341/

i guess i'm not sure why someone would do that if not given the option to do a seperate reissues ballot, and even then i confess losing that part of the poll doesn't feel like a huge loss to me. reissues lists are interesting but measuring consensus on them seems so abstract; are you voting for the ALBUM itself primarily or how much value is added by the remastering or bonus material or liner notes? would you a vote for an album you loved for years if it went back in print this year with particular changes or improvements, or only for something that you discovered for the first time as of the reissue? i imagine lots of voters answering these questions differently, which makes the 'results' of such a poll kind of a meaningless mish mash.

*with NO particular changes or improvements

wtf are you listening ro when hella dated Smashing Pumpkins records sound better than anything else in 2011

haha what an unbelievably terrible ballot

the smile sessions are a bit tricky though, because it's not really a reissue, the stuff was never officially released or leaked in that form before.

i mean, if a band's album sits in limbo for 3 years then comes out, it's kinda the same thing imo

haha i found that when i was looking to see if anyone voted for that great Craig Wedren record and was v disappointed when i saw the rest of the ballot

Ned (and everyone else), please vote in the ILM 2011 poll! It's clearly a more worthy enterprise. If you're already maxed out on list-making for the year you can just resubmit your P+J ballot.

yeah Smile is a unique case, although something like that that's such a big deal and in some ways still a 'new' product i feel like it's fair game for the main poll, like Bruce's The Promise the year before.

wtf are you listening ro when hella dated Smashing Pumpkins records sound better than anything else in 2011

Drake and Rick Ross, probably

haha i found that when i was looking to see if anyone voted for that great Craig Wedren record and was v disappointed when i saw the rest of the ballot

that dudes ballot is like inverse case of those ppl whose ballots i checked cuz the voted for like a rad spectrum spools lp and find at least one terrible james blake record or s.thing in the rest of their top ten

are you voting for the ALBUM itself primarily or how much value is added by the remastering or bonus material or liner notes?

Most of the reissues that used to score in the results, when it was its own category, weren't really this kind, though -- They tended more often to be career retrospectives, or box sets, or unearthings of previously obscure stuff by cult acts like Os Mutantes or Shuggie Otis or Esquivel or whoever. (Not saying the category was great -- in fact, mediocre cult acts who got hip cred for a year and bloated boxes by Hall Of Famers were part of what dragged it down. Which is part of why the category wound up seeming like a waste of time to tabulate. Just saying it wasn't dominated by pre-existing old albums with outtakes tacked on.)

Agreed that "Smile" is a special case when it comes to reissues. Similarly, "The Basement Tapes" (1975) and "VU" (1985) were also "new" music.

cover feature on the artist with the #190 album
http://thewire.co.uk/images/artists/lil_b/cover336.jpg

gtfo