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really surprised by "til the world ends" in the top ten. didn't realize that many ppl liked that song.

The Reverend, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 02:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

did jeff n glenn not get Turisas (lol) in the top 200?

Jimmy Riddle Orchestra (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 02:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

i never even heard of death grips until it started showing up on year-end lists a few weeks ago

Reginald "Bono" Dwight (some dude), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 02:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

Fairly average year - I was the only voter for 6 of my 10. Some of them didn't surprise me - I wasn't expecting a huge groundswell of support for Emmure, and obviously Lulu was the metal pervert's vote-getter of choice, so I was out there alone in supporting Morbid Angel. But nobody else liked Amon Amarth's album this year? Or Girl in a Coma's? Those were great, catchy records.

誤訳侮辱, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 02:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh wait Yob in the top 200 too. 5 metal albums (i don't count ghost). hipster metal is finally dead. i mean they are hipster picks but still, not a big metallic showing. or maybe its always like that? seemed like more a few years back.

scott seward, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 02:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

i like that philip sherburne voted for blut aus nord.

scott seward, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 02:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

doesn't ned do pazz & jop? he could have been the 3rd vote for the 5 eps.

scott seward, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 02:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

and he could have gotten jess to vote for it. he should have pulled a bob seger and gotten it in the top 20.

scott seward, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 02:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

top 20 rap albums for huge middlebrow lulz
1. Jay-Z and Kanye West, Watch the Throne
2. Drake, Take Care
3. The Roots, Undun
4. Danny Brown, XXX
5. Kendrick Lamar, Section.80
6. Das Racist, Relax
7. Clams Casino, Instrumental Mixtape
8. Big KRIT, Return of 4Eva
9. Beastie Boys, Hot Sauce Committee Part 2
10. DJ Quik, The Book of David
11. A$AP Rocky, LiveLoveA$AP
12. Tyler, the Creator, Goblin
13. Common, The Dreamer/The Believer
14. Saigon, The Greatest Story Never Told
15. Death Grips, Exmilitary
16. J. Cole, Cole World: The Sideline Story
17. Main Attrakionz, 808s & Dark Grapes II
18. E-40, Revenue Retrievin': Graveyard Shift/Overtime Shift
19. Lil B, I'm Gay (I'm Happy)
20. Action Bronson, Dr. Lecter

somebody sh1pley the brinks truck (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 02:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

i haven't really gotten into asap rocky. i should give him another chance. i dug kendrick right off the bat.

scott seward, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 02:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

maria loves death grips. that's her fave album of the year, i think.

scott seward, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 02:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

asap rocky is the worst shit, fucking lana del rap, no one will care by april, don't bother

somebody sh1pley the brinks truck (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 02:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

are any of the essays any good?

tom's essay is so great even though i was like "i never need to read another thing about ldr"

Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 02:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

you'd have to pay me a lot of money to listen to the entire jay/kanye album. why didn't they call it JAKaNYeZ?

scott seward, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 02:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

also the metal albums i voted for that weren't lulu (goreaphobia and in solitude) didn't do anything in the top 200 :(

Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 02:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

PJ's album is a lot more metal than a lot of metal! so i can dig that. she was robbed by TunEleSsYawnzzzz.

scott seward, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 02:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

https://pub.needlebase.com/actions/visualizer/V2Visualizer.do?domain=Pazz-Jop&query=2011+Voter+Centricity

interesting
Here are the 2011 voters sorted by centricity, which is a measure of how close their album ballots came to matching the critical consensus. In 2010 there were 26 voters with >.7 centricity. In 2011 only 4!

Jimmy Riddle Orchestra (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 02:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

saw there was a new paul simon record that finished pretty high!

anyone heard it? good?

the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 02:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

think it was matos' #1 record

Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 02:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

Mr. Ratfucker, can you do a "corny indie fuxxor gtfo" list where you throw out every ballot that has tune-yards, destroyer, bon iver, st vincent or fleet foxest?

somebody sh1pley the brinks truck (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 02:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

sounds like the sort of request Nixon would make.

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 02:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

i think you mean glenn. He is the one with those skills. (ie he does it all on metal poll, i just upload a csv file with the ballots)
xps

Jimmy Riddle Orchestra (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 02:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

my pal michael robbins might have voted for the roots and drake, BUT he also voted for one of my very favorite metal albums of recent years! happy to see that.


Rustie, Glass Swords
Warp

Points: 10

2

Pistol Annies, Hell on Heels
Columbia Nashville

Points: 10

3

Drake, Take Care
Cash Money/Young Money/Universal

Points: 10

4

Fucked Up, David Comes to Life
Matador

Points: 10

5

The Weeknd, House of Balloons
XO

Points: 10

6

Jay-Z and Kanye West, Watch the Throne
Def Jam/Roc-a-Fella/Roc Nation

Points: 10

7

The Roots, Undun
Def Jam

Points: 10

8

Wild Flag, Wild Flag
Merge

Points: 10

9

Inquisition, Ominous Doctrines of the Perpetual Mystical Macrocosm
Hells Headbangers

Points: 10

10

Danny Brown, XXX
Fool's Gold

Points: 10

scott seward, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 02:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

The essay about tuneyards' sales (lack of) is interesting. At 47,000 copies sold and 135 votes, that means the voters actually equal about 1/3 of 1 percent of the sales. (Not that many of the voters probably actually bought the thing.)

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 02:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

i bought it! but i didn't vote.

m white btw (get bent), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 02:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

one of a kind list, that's for sure:

http://www.villagevoice.com/pazznjop/critics/2011/684436/

scott seward, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 02:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

i know so few of those

this is funny u bitter dork (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 02:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

i like his #1 and #8

Jimmy Riddle Orchestra (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 02:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

Interested in a "what's the highest ranking pazz and jop artist you never heard of"

Eric Church, Chief. which, i mean hes on emi nashville but realistically most of the records on the list that i havent heard but heard of are bcuz of ilm

HOOS steen is it anyway? (Lamp), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 02:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

did you just call whiney 'chief'?

Reginald "Bono" Dwight (some dude), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 02:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

I kinda liked the Eric Church album.

what makes it funnier is look at eric church..i could SOOO see him creepin outside my house..xD
StephanieCosby 1 day ago

never heard of EMA myself

this is funny u bitter dork (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 03:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

I like 1, 5, 8 and 10 on Chuck's list. And I'm glad to see he and I weren't the only two to put 2NE1's "I Am The Best" on our singles ballots. (Yes, I filed a singles ballot this year, for the first time ever, and it was all composed of actual singles.)

誤訳侮辱, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 03:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

the Church album isn't bad at all -- "Drink in My Hand" is much better than "Red Solo Cup."

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 03:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

i thought it was kool to like that destroyer record? or is that indie fucc now?

i like it

the pj harvey record is really amazing i think, i'm glad it finished high

the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 03:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

i know it's not a surprise at this point but a new Radiohead album hitting #33 in this thing is still pretty incredible

Reginald "Bono" Dwight (some dude), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 03:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

I need time to process all of this Drake love.

Seriously, who votes for Drake? (Nicole), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 03:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

now that "Gucci Gucci" is officially the 7th most acclaimed rap song of 2011 maybe deej can stfu about how critics supposedly all hate Kreayshawn

― Reginald "Bono" Dwight (some dude), Tuesday, January 17, 2012 7:54 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

considering the amount of attention it got, managing to get 20 critics on board for the song isn't exactly an overwhelming victory. There were more pieces written about how she was a shitty rapper than there were voters for her in a poll

I Love Pedantry (D-40), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 03:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

Haven't heard of:

57. The Men

P.S. - I voted for Drake.

Who wants to see the great Pavarotti sit on a pie? (jer.fairall), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 03:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

i just checked, no one voted for a max b mixtape in 2009

― somebody sh1pley the brinks truck (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, January 17, 2012 7:56 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

and the only ones who voted for gucci were like the 5 of us from ilx + noz. what's your point

I Love Pedantry (D-40), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 03:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

there were more pieces about how drake was a shitty rapper than there were voters for him in the poll. that doesn't mean anything.

Reginald "Bono" Dwight (some dude), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 03:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

The critical establishment's dogmatic popism eliminates any consideration of the philosophy surrounding the creative and commercial genesis of music and elevates the aesthetic, so whatever sounds best must be best, and now somehow independent music has wound up in a place where Beyoncé is on the same purely aesthetic playing field that Sharon Van Etten is, because it makes you powerfully, stinkingly uncool to point out that Beyoncé is a meticulously calculated, choreographed, and focus group-approved product of the same system that Sharon Van Etten's forebears in independent music rose up as a direct response to. Suddenly Sharon Van Etten sounds a little thin without the help of a billion-dollar machine. Like Mitt Romney said: "Corporations are people, too, my friend."
David Shapiro

nice terrible comment here

I Love Pedantry (D-40), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 03:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

there were more pieces about how drake was a shitty rapper than there were voters for him in the poll. that doesn't mean anything.

― Reginald "Bono" Dwight (some dude), Tuesday, January 17, 2012 9:53 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

the fact that 22 critics like kreayshawn doesn't 'prove' that she wasnt overhated either

I Love Pedantry (D-40), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 03:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

althoguh my familiarity w/ a lot of other artists only extends as far as "i saw their name on a website (usually ilx) a couple times, couldn't tell you a thing about them"

Same. A few of them (e.g., Danny Brown) I hadn't encountered until they started showing up on year-end lists/blog posts/roundtables.

Girl I want to take you to a JBR (jaymc), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 03:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

The critical establishment's dogmatic popism eliminates any consideration of the philosophy surrounding the creative and commercial genesis of music and elevates the aesthetic, so whatever sounds best must be best, and now somehow independent music has wound up in a place where Beyoncé is on the same purely aesthetic playing field that Sharon Van Etten is, because it makes you powerfully, stinkingly uncool to point out that Beyoncé is a meticulously calculated, choreographed, and focus group-approved product of the same system that Sharon Van Etten's forebears in independent music rose up as a direct response to. Suddenly Sharon Van Etten sounds a little thin without the help of a billion-dollar machine. Like Mitt Romney said: "Corporations are people, too, my friend."
David Shapiro

nice terrible comment here

― I Love Pedantry (D-40), Tuesday, January 17, 2012 10:57 PM (5 minutes ago)

wow

tebow gotti (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 04:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

thnx @ jordan, I really like Scott PL's essay

I Love Pedantry (D-40), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 04:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

PRR comin' out swingin'

Reginald "Bono" Dwight (some dude), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 04:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

primarily for putting in perspective music that I don't follow particularly closely. It's hard to give these results shape but he did a really good job of it imo xp to myself

I Love Pedantry (D-40), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 04:09 (2 years ago) Permalink


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