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I think this is unfair, it's VERY flukey that it's hit so hard

I don't think it was a fluke at all! At least not in Australia.

In fact I basically said something to the effect of "I like this song in spite of the crushing sense of inevitability of its ultimate ubiquity etc." in my In Press review prior to its release. From about a minute in I was thinking "this will top JJJ Hottest 100 and probably the charts."

Tim F, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 00:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

Adele spent 23 WEEKS at #1 on the albums chart, had the 4th and 5th best-selling singles of the year

I didn't know who that was until ~2 weeks ago.

Autumn Almanac, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 01:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's not a fluke that the album did better than his previous - the shift to grunty mgt and major M&D shows hope enough of that - but the song doesn't feel like a calculated attempt to take the Hottest 100 and the charts; it's a small progression from his previous pop-song-structureyness on Hearts and Learnalil, doesn't sonically code as anything I think of as H100 fodder (though tbh when I finally heard the Angus & Julia around April that suprised me too). Actually I think it's probably been done a favour by coming in the wake of Rolling In The Deep and Someone Like You - voice to the forefront*, big-emotion-coding but musically presenting restraint and tension, not ostentation...

It's a really really good song, too, which I guess makes the success surprise me to some degree - writing in a narrative twist that requires you to actually follow the song feels counter-aspirational. (Small and obvious though the twist is! But it does work v well on first listen, and make the writing stand out on clothes-shop radio.)

I admire your astuteness though!

* actually this is the biggest thing to hint at chart/H100 aspiration compared to his previous work, where the mosaicing of samples is obviously something he's cared more about than presenting as a singer performance- or performer-wise

Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 01:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

tbf I was driving for about ten minutes last invasion day and was delighted enough to hear Crave You at around 85 that I cheerfully failed to learn anything else that placed all day, I'm not rly speaking from an informed position

Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 01:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

I dunno, there's something about its ornate-but-not-challenging chamber-pop feel which just immediately struck me as catnip for (what has always felt like) the default alterna-pop mindset of so many twenty-to-thirty-something middle class Australians. Without necessarily framing it in words I think listeners inevitably respond well to its negotiation of smallness and largeness, sweetness and spite, male and female; the, as you say, "counter-aspirational" narrative strategy.

"Cynical" is the wrong word for all of this - as if doing any of the above is bad! - but that immediate sense of inevitability was almost overwhelming and I had to swim against its current when I was trying to connect with the song.

Tim F, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 02:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

well he normally makes accessible cool dad music, even in the basics. as far as i can tell though, its adoption is in a similar vein to early beck - his music has only happened to coincide with the current pop zeitgeist or w/e, as opposed to being a "cynical" moneygrub.

It'll probably win the JJJ Hottest 100 for 2011 here, which is like the equivalent of being the song of the year for NME I guess.
qft

lifestyle porn (the kid), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 02:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

I dunno, there's something about its ornate-but-not-challenging chamber-pop feel which just immediately struck me as catnip for (what has always felt like) the default alterna-pop mindset of so many twenty-to-thirty-something middle class Australians.

Hmm, interesting. I think I see where yr coming from, but I think it's unpredictable when one of these hits. Otherwise the first Peccadillo album would have gone platinum and Blow Up The Pokies would never have (been able to) happened! Abby Dobson and Dean Manning wouldn't be playing cafes and upstairs rooms of pubs separately. The second Frente album would have done better than the first, and the reunion EP would have sold 10,000, not 1,000.

as if doing any of the above is bad!

Yes, if it was all calculated and this level of success hoped for then I'm delighted for him.

Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 02:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

personally i saw surprised to see it become so big a hit, but then i never would have expected the twerps to be australia's next big hope overseas either

virtual gape machine (electricsound), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 02:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

Wait there is actually an Australian band called The Twerps?

I was really surprised to open this thread and hear it was massive anywhere, I just thought of it as a one-off that was likely to slink into obscurity. But no I can totally see it appealing to that Feist demographic.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 09:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

indeed there is

bro-one (electricsound), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 09:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

Evidence! This is what I wrote for the local rag at the beginning of July:

GOTYE ft. KIMBRA
Somebody That I Used To Know
(Universal)

I’ll pay Gotye a backhanded compliment and say they’re increasingly resembling late 90s Radiohead, their emotional but unpredictable art-pop facilitating alt-rock dudes’ soul-searching with a surgeon’s precision. This makes me want to resent the inevitability with which their sighing, keening ramshackle break-up ode Somebody That I Used To Know is gonna scrape the top of the JJJ Hottest 100, but ultimately this is just undeniably pretty, ornate tearjerker chamber-pop.

Tim F, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 11:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

This is pretty cool:

Girl I want to take you to a JBR (jaymc), Friday, 20 January 2012 18:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

Oddly enough, I came across that on Alex in NYC's blog!

Girl I want to take you to a JBR (jaymc), Friday, 20 January 2012 18:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's way out of my usual wheelhouse, but I came across the "Somebody I used to Know" earworm and was pretty impressed. None of his other tunes really are quite as clever, but this guy Gotye really nailed this one. It's a great pop song.

It's probably a matter of days until this thing infects the US. It appears from this thread the earworm has already infected other regions.

earlnash, Tuesday, 24 January 2012 06:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

Don't get the appeal of this at all. Lyrically mediocre and melodically blah.

Who wants to see the great Pavarotti sit on a pie? (jer.fairall), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 06:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

I prefer "Easy Way Out" to the big hit.

billstevejim, Tuesday, 24 January 2012 08:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

billstevejim, Tuesday, 24 January 2012 08:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

Supermayer remix of "Heart's a Mess" is all time though.

Also you don't need to hear the original. One of the clever things about the remix is how it neatly renders the original redundant.

― Tim F, Tuesday, January 17, 2012 9:26 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Yah, everything you need to know about Gotye is that he rejected their remix.

Jedmond, Tuesday, 24 January 2012 08:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

First came across this via this video, which is pretty cool. The song's catchy, if a bit AOR

I want your nose, your shoes and your unicycle (dog latin), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 09:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

First came across this via this video, which is pretty cool.

― I want your nose, your shoes and your unicycle (dog latin), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 20:04 (1 hour ago)

did you come across it six posts up? ;)

This is pretty cool:

― Girl I want to take you to a JBR (jaymc), Saturday, 21 January 2012 05:54 (3 days ago)

Yah, everything you need to know about Gotye is that he rejected their remix.

Rejected? It's on the iTunes single, on Total 10, and was promoed by the label that did a 7" in the UK - there was no physical single here.

Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 10:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

After Gotye rejected it Supermayer leaked/dumped it (via Sherburne if I recall but I'm probably wrong there) - people loved it so they ended up properly releasing it.

Jedmond, Tuesday, 24 January 2012 10:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

Lah = http://phs.abstractdynamics.org/2008/06/got_gotye.html

Jedmond, Tuesday, 24 January 2012 10:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

I don't think Goodyear is trying to be a star but I by jingo, I certainly don't mind if he does. He's a good bloke.

Dude makes good music. Not great, but good. It's a little bit too pedestrian to rise to a higher level (that song is very good but not earth shattering brilliant).

Born To Meat Pie (King Boy Pato), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 11:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

did you come across it six posts up? ;)

Ah sorry, I was on the train on my iphone so I didn't get to check each link. I think I prefer the guitar cover version.

I want your nose, your shoes and your unicycle (dog latin), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 11:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

well if that's the case (cf sherburne blog - the comment on GWFA no longer exists), it was commissioned by the UK licensee, rejected by the UK licensee, and then approved by Gotye?

Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 11:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

omg i kind of like this guy?

i think i'm getting really old.

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 25 January 2012 20:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

world domination continues - it's up to #58 in USA, going top 10 in the UK, and top 40 in ILM EOY poll.

danzig, Wednesday, 25 January 2012 21:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

Kimbra is next.

John Gaw Meme (_Rudipherous_), Wednesday, 25 January 2012 21:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

Where are the balearic disco/yacht pop remixes of this song? They must exist.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 11:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

Tim F, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 12:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

That's okay but not in the Africa/Everywhere universe I was hoping for.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 13:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

even if it didn't remind me of sting, which it does

First thing I thought of as well.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 13:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

HOW CAN THIS STILL BE #1????

God

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 4 March 2012 18:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

This song is creeping toward "Rolling in the Deep" levels of ubiquity. I noticed he was supposed to play this small club in Chicago, then it was bumped up to a medium theater, and now it's a big 5000 seater. And yet every time I hear it I think of "King of Pain."

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 20:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

There's some David Guetta song in the charts now that starts off sounding like the Police as well. Is it "Titanium"? I can't remember. At any rate it's all very disturbing.

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 8 March 2012 14:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

i still don't mind it, but then i don't pay much attention to radio/tv and haven't really noticed its ubiquity. Quite nice to see a song actually sticking to number one for a change.

Scary Move 4 (dog latin), Thursday, 8 March 2012 14:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

and now it's a big 5000 seater.

And sold out, no less!

Cuba Pudding, Jr. (jaymc), Thursday, 8 March 2012 14:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

And yet every time I hear it I think of "King of Pain."

Yes, me too.

Mark G, Thursday, 8 March 2012 14:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

The song's #9 in the U.S., btw.

Cuba Pudding, Jr. (jaymc), Thursday, 8 March 2012 14:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

i kinda like it.

for some reason tho the low-rent quotidian nature of the conflict in the lyrics really rubs me the wrong way, in context of the high-drama moodiness of the song, when this is like what pop songs are supposed to do?

plus his mouth is weird

goole, Thursday, 8 March 2012 22:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

I heard this song far too late. I like it but everyone is being really fucking irritating about it now so I guess I'll just leave it. sigh

owenf, Thursday, 8 March 2012 22:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

his weird mouth intrigues me

owenf, Thursday, 8 March 2012 22:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

In the '80s this song would have been "Love Plus One" or, I dunno, Bourgeois Tagg. Curious to see if he keeps the ball rolling. Someone told me his first album was more Beck/DJ Shadow-y.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 8 March 2012 22:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

Beck makes a lot of sense, mostly in that this album is all over the place wrt influences and styles. There's a p much straight up Hall & Oates type pop song and a weird electronica lounge song about playing with an at-home hi-fi system. There's a decent amount of stuff to love amidst the filler.

stan this sick bunt (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 9 March 2012 00:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

Every once in a while a pop song makes an impact on me, most often because it just sounds so strikingly different than anything else on the radio. Witness this track by Gotye: "Somebody" is haunting and minimalistic and poignant (I try and personalize the song and though I admit I cannot, I still feel empathy) and the dude even lets the gal give her side of the story. Pretty intense and a good video that fits the song as she literally leaves the painting that is his life. Is it possible that I need to get the album it came from? Can there be anything remotely close to this awesome on it?

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Friday, 9 March 2012 10:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

I dunno, I got the album today, this morning, from My beloved..

Mark G, Friday, 9 March 2012 11:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

strikingly different than anything else on the radio.

Yeah, at the moment this song is one, "Video Games" is another, and "Jar of Hearts" also. Minimalism cuts through, it seems. More of it.

Mark G, Friday, 9 March 2012 11:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

^ these songs seem to appeal to a pretty wide age demographic too.

owenf, Friday, 9 March 2012 11:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

I've only heard the song on the local AAA station, so it didn't stand out as being crazy-different. But I think it must be getting spins on the Adult Top 40/Hot AC station here, too. Not yet on Rhythmic or Mainstream Top 40.

Cuba Pudding, Jr. (jaymc), Friday, 9 March 2012 14:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

I remember how jarring it was to hear Kanye's "808s" stuff in rotation, too. Most radio stuff is so dense with information. It's nice to have some breathing room built in.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 March 2012 14:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

good song anyways, not a favorite

yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Sunday, 22 April 2012 05:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

Must've read Grein back when I was photocopying the Hot 100 at the library, but the name doesn't ring a bell. Not like Joel Whitburn (to whom I wrote a fan letter), at least.

sockless in moccasins (jaymc), Sunday, 22 April 2012 09:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

Younger (not entirely young) co-worker playing Somebody on repeat this morning.

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 22 April 2012 17:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

aww crap just developed InstaCrush because of that picture

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Monday, 23 April 2012 15:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

Just glad for him that he got to #1 before the Glee cover version could get these first.

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 23 April 2012 15:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

There's something ironic about a song being so popular that they need to remix it to get it airplay on top 40 ...

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 23 April 2012 16:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

a lot of pop stations are fine playing the original version, some aren't. same thing happened with "Somebody Like You" last year, some stations were so flummoxed by the idea of playing a quiet piano ballad that they used a garish dance mix instead.

Poor Turrican (some dude), Monday, 23 April 2012 16:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, but clearly the song is massively popular, so ... people like it? Presumably the original version?

They didn't remix Kanye's "808s" stuff, did they?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 23 April 2012 16:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

This "radio mix" is hilarious

I need new, hip khakis (DJP), Monday, 23 April 2012 16:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

"omg the percussion is too subtle, someone fire up Garageband STAT"

I need new, hip khakis (DJP), Monday, 23 April 2012 16:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

why would 808s & Heartbreak get remixed? these songs aren't 'rhythmic' enough for some pop stations, nobody's going to add a drum machine to a record that already has a drum machine to make it more radio-friendly

Poor Turrican (some dude), Monday, 23 April 2012 16:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

i mean i'm guessing the only stations choosing the Gotye or Adele remixes over the originals are the ones known as 'rhythmic top 40 stations'

Poor Turrican (some dude), Monday, 23 April 2012 16:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

I didn't think it was the lack of drum machine that made this a problem for top 40, but rather the lack of brisk tempo and a big beat. The Kanye stuff when it was on the radio was like this weird oasis of quiet and space floating interrupting all the usual stuff. They didn't artificially boost its tempo with a pre-fab backbeat.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 23 April 2012 16:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

that Spin page won't show any photos or text for me, and I updated Firefox three days ago. sort it out Whiney

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Monday, 23 April 2012 22:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

They didn't remix Kanye's "808s" stuff, did they?

― Josh in Chicago, Monday, April 23, 2012 9:16 AM Bookmark

why would 808s & Heartbreak get remixed? these songs aren't 'rhythmic' enough for some pop stations, nobody's going to add a drum machine to a record that already has a drum machine to make it more radio-friendly

― Poor Turrican (some dude), Monday, April 23, 2012 9:20 AM Bookmark

the rar/r&b station here played a remixed version of "Love Lockdown" with a backbeat

hologram ned raggett (The Reverend), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 03:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

rap* although i guess these days .rar/r&b is a close enough approximation

hologram ned raggett (The Reverend), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 03:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

I didn't think it was the lack of drum machine that made this a problem for top 40, but rather the lack of brisk tempo and a big beat. The Kanye stuff when it was on the radio was like this weird oasis of quiet and space floating interrupting all the usual stuff. They didn't artificially boost its tempo with a pre-fab backbeat.

― Josh in Chicago, Monday, April 23, 2012 12:22 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark

"Heartless" sounded like a ton of other stuff already on the radio at the time, wasn't very quiet at all, and that was the only song off that record that was really big on radio. didn't know about the "Love Lockdown" remix Rev is talking about, though.

heard the Gotye remix on a pop station for the first time today, god that's terrible.

some dude, Thursday, 26 April 2012 01:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

actually ashamed I didn't think of this myself. Missed opportunities!

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Thursday, 17 May 2012 14:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol

goole, Thursday, 17 May 2012 17:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

the first time i heard the song in passing i thought that was what that line was about

that's why god made kokomo (some dude), Thursday, 17 May 2012 17:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

Hearing him on SNL again reminded me: I ctrl+f-ed it and apparently I'm the only one here who thinks he sounds like Ozzy, especially in the chorus?

Quiet Desperation, LLC (Deric W. Haircare), Sunday, 27 May 2012 04:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

Oh, Google is my friend. Apparently I'm not the only one on the whole of the internet to think this.

Quiet Desperation, LLC (Deric W. Haircare), Sunday, 27 May 2012 04:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

ha, never would've occurred to me on my own but i can hear it

--niccimanewhore (some dude), Sunday, 27 May 2012 04:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

i think it might be specifically the doubling or reverb used on his voice on "Someone" that's probably similarly to the way Ozzy's voice was mixed circa Blizzard of Ozz

--niccimanewhore (some dude), Sunday, 27 May 2012 04:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

Oh it's been bugging me for ages who he reminded me of. Ozzy is totally it.

owenf, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 00:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

Shit. You guys are right. And now I'm pissed off, because I can't UNhear it.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 00:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

Ha,

yeah. Will mention it to our Alice, with reference to "Changes", it's quite clear.

Mark G, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 00:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

ha ha, that Ozzy thing is great. Now the song is enjoyable!

calstars, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 01:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

I'm almost senselessly drunk and "Somebody" seems really profound right now. Pretty sure I just bought it on iTunes.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 17 August 2013 07:08 (11 months ago) Permalink


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