lol Nickelback's continued existence now makes sense
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:32 (twelve years ago) link
my mom has gone to see every federally funded art object within 750 miles of her doorstep
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:33 (twelve years ago) link
I don't nec. think it should be levied on internet users but I do think that ultimately national funding for art is prob gonna be the long-long-term answer to 'how do we pay artists' / 'are there benefits to having a large art economy that don't get reflected w/ free market pricing'
― iatee, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:34 (twelve years ago) link
i think the idea itself is corrupt as hell. just to have an email account and surf the web, my mom has to pay a tax that gets directed to the bronfman family, just because napster exists?
yes, and I have to fund my local school's music program even though I don't have kids. I mean I get this is what everybody is going to say, but the amount of people who actually just use the internet to surf the web and get email is getting pretty low isn't it? Even my grandma is obsessed with YouTube these days.
― frogbs, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:34 (twelve years ago) link
right, plus we're headed toward a future where things are based on "cloud" technology and storage is essentially infinite.
"Sorry we went out of business and lost all your stuff forever when our servers shut down, sucks to be you!"
― i couldn't adjust the food knobs (Phil D.), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:36 (twelve years ago) link
yeah I'm more concerned about my apt burning down than amazon servers suddenly disappearing
― iatee, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:38 (twelve years ago) link
everytime someone downloads an album the government should charge nickelback a dollar.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:38 (twelve years ago) link
Even my grandma is obsessed with YouTube these days.
Yes but watching a couple YouTube videos a week is not at all similar to your 10,000 album downloader.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:39 (twelve years ago) link
re: the "Canadian solution", the tax gets distributed according to who has the most sales. This sucks. Every blank disc you buy, you are subsidising Nickelback. Most sales does not necessarily equal most pirated. Also, fuck you Canadian government for charging artists who buy blank media in order to duplicate and distribute their OWN music.
but the alternative to this is...the artists with the most sales make the most money??
― iatee, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:40 (twelve years ago) link
seems like there's an obvious difference between paying the local district for someone else's schooling and paying license holders (or supposedly fairly-distributing agencies thereof) for someone else's presumed piracy
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:40 (twelve years ago) link
That's what you get for living in those urban tenements you love so much xxxxp
― i couldn't adjust the food knobs (Phil D.), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:40 (twelve years ago) link
xxp pardon me if I'm misunderstading this but isn't SOPA kind of suggesting otherwise?
― frogbs, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:41 (twelve years ago) link
yes, the first model is worse and has led to generations of shitty school systems xp
― iatee, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:41 (twelve years ago) link
well ok, but so what? one is a funding mechanism for a public good, the other is organized restitution for a crime being committed, by someone, somewhere...
our business is way off, must be all those downloaders!!! i've never seen numbers that are convincing about this, or even definitive.
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:45 (twelve years ago) link
music should be a public good and should be funded as one!
― iatee, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:46 (twelve years ago) link
jesus even i don't agree with that.
i liked it better when it was a corrupt market run by the mob tbf.
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:47 (twelve years ago) link
yeah so did lots of people but technology has made that p. impossible in the long-term
― iatee, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:48 (twelve years ago) link
and tbh I think there are industries that have been or will be even more fucked than the music biz by the same 'information distribution costs approach zero' problem. newspaper writers can't go on tour.
― iatee, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:51 (twelve years ago) link
I can't wait until the technology that allows me to steal free LED TVs from the store, then the manufacturers will just have to "adapt".
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:51 (twelve years ago) link
that technology exists
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:52 (twelve years ago) link
no u c there is technology that will make LED TV's not particularly useful. you will be able to get one for free eventually, because nobody will want them.
― iatee, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:53 (twelve years ago) link
Is there technology to prevent iatee double posts? Such a waste of resources.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:54 (twelve years ago) link
all my posts deserve multiple readings tbh
― iatee, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:56 (twelve years ago) link
hollywood and big music are probably all for this bill, no? they can go after asian and russian pirates via the government. if i'm reading wikipedia correctly...
― scott seward, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:59 (twelve years ago) link
c'mon, this isn't that hard
― frogbs, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:59 (twelve years ago) link
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5295/5465725257_a74a1a206e.jpg
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 19:00 (twelve years ago) link
now asia THERE is where you see some bigtime theft. actual real theft and not virtual theft. for ever. for decades. probably billions of dollars worth. bootleg dvd mania. they didn't need the internet to do that.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 19:02 (twelve years ago) link
I guess my question for people who are on the other side of this debate is 'what's the alternative to a macro-level tax / some sorta national spotifyish system?' $1 a song is as arbitrary as $15 a CD and has no relation to the costs of production or the demand for the music.
again I think it's better to think of what's happening to the music industry as on the first wave of what will happen to lots of people who work in the information economy.
― iatee, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 19:07 (twelve years ago) link
Well I guess thats the tough part for me because I simply DON'T have a better solution, but I'd love for one that falls somewhere between a national tax and a system that takes money away from the content creators.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 19:09 (twelve years ago) link
is that good? no. but I don't think the best way to ensure people get paid is through creating artificial scarcity.
― iatee, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 19:09 (twelve years ago) link
xp to myself
labels could be trying to set up competitors to itunes. you can find ways to technologically brake piracy instead of getting the law on your side and hating apple (all the industry seems to be able to imagine doing)
the other route is to try to sell those things that people want to have that are unreproducible, and have download codes attached. all the merch and swag sort of becomes the 'album' in this model
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 19:12 (twelve years ago) link
I don't think those are long-term solutions
― iatee, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 19:14 (twelve years ago) link
the question is, what do the artists want?
― frogbs, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 19:15 (twelve years ago) link
here's another one: music follows classical and jazz and becomes a niche thing supported by enthusiasts and a few gov't/ngo grant institutions and most other people quit giving a shit unless its on tv
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 19:16 (twelve years ago) link
the only solution for labels and artists are well-organized subscription services like itunes. a one-stop shop for people. itunes makes money, right? you have to corral people. left to their own devices, they'll just surf around and nab things where they can for free.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 19:17 (twelve years ago) link
seems more realistic!
xp
― iatee, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 19:17 (twelve years ago) link
yes, people will suddenly stop liking music. huh?
― frogbs, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 19:18 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, the whole "less and less people care about music because look at the numbers" argument is weird to me. billions of people will always listen to music and lots of it, whether or not it remains a billion dollar industry.
― some dude, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 19:19 (twelve years ago) link
people suddenly stopped going to the movies 5x a week, things do change
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 19:19 (twelve years ago) link
how much did people love music before the radio era of the 30s? or the single era of the 50s or album era of the 60s? none of this has ever been about what is natural or about what people like
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 19:20 (twelve years ago) link
I mean, it's sorta like saying people don't care about news because newspapers are going out of business. (there might even be some truth in that, but) the real problem is a lack of serious BBC-equivalents here. there's no reason why the value of music or news should be directly reflected in their free market profits and in the internet age that truth is making itself more and more clear.
― iatee, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 19:21 (twelve years ago) link
i think in general "time spent listening to stuff" and "time spent watching stuff" has been going up every year. it's not like the technology is just going to go away. if they had iPods in the 30's I'm sure they would have been huge!
― frogbs, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 19:24 (twelve years ago) link
labels could be trying to set up competitors to itunes.
Prior to iTunes, the labels tried this, and failed miserably (and somewhat hilariously), mainly due to the many restrictions on the files you downloaded -- couldn't burn them to a CD, proprietary file types, could only listen x number of days.
― Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 19:25 (twelve years ago) link
well, trying to approach your customer with an attitude beyond paranoia and hatred is a good start
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 19:26 (twelve years ago) link
And movie theaters suddenly started showing commercials for 15 minutes before the movie starts.
― Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 19:27 (twelve years ago) link
mighta mattered 15 years ago
― iatee, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 19:27 (twelve years ago) link