the bbc sherlock series by the dr who 'bloke' and starring tim from the office

I'm sure Melissa will volunteer.

i don't know if this has been posted before (and i don't agree with everything in it), but i appreciated this rundown of the treatment of s1 female characters in general, and this take on nu-irene adler.

AKA yeah, i'd support someone writing moffat an explanatory pamphlet on portrayals of women in the media or something

I was being sarcastic.

i know! and i wasn't!

Please don't let this thread turn into tiger beatdown wordvomit.

sadly i'm not caught up on the new season, so i can't offer to take on all comers in a frothing feminist bout. next month maybe!

I don't read any of the "Sherlock being rude to Molly about her weight" or "Sherlock walking away from Mrs Hudson mid-sentence" stuff as being sexist or dismissive on behalf of the writers (or played for laughs at the women's expense); I read it as the character of Sherlock being (as in the stories) a massive emotionally immature wanker who is absolutely useless at engaging with anyone except on very precise and unemotional grounds.

Any laughs from those moments (from me) are purely about how useless Sherlock is.

Tea pot sales up.

i've only seen the first 30 minutes or so of this and while i still find moriarty annoying, he is much, much better in this than in S1 - like, he actually calms down a bit and says his lines as if he means them occasionally

That fucking teapot! Oh god, it annoyed me so much. They were obviously SO PROUD of it.

Oooh, look at what we sourced, aren't we clever? FUCK OFF.

I am you

Ugh, just craven and gross.

This was pretty much Doctor Who vs The Joker!

Guys it was obvious that Molly grew a Sherlock clone in her lab. Sherlock engineered the fake phone call to Watson because the clone was about to wake up.

Bit humiliating for Molly not to get her own assassin, eh

She was treated so rudely and dismissively by Sherlock that Moriarty figured she was not worth the trouble. I personally would have said "Oh well, sorry, can't help!" if Sherlock had asked me for help after behaving like such a complete twatwaffle.

Yeah, funny chaps, johnny hormones.

Moffat:

"There is a clue everybody's missed," he says tantalisingly. "So many people theorising about Sherlock's death online – and they missed it! We've worked out how Sherlock survives, and actually shot part of what really happened. It all makes sense."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2012/jan/20/steven-moffat-sherlock-doctor-who

I am getting tired of Moffat's "I'm so much more clever than everyone!" interviews. Dude, we all saw the Season Six finale, let's be real here.

Someone somewhere posted that the head honcho at the Baskerville place had mentioned something about cloning when talking about the weird goings-on there. I will physically break stuff if that's involved in any way.

Though obv I am awe of how Moffat has read the entire internet.

Sherlock had a dummy in the flat in this episode - I assumed it was something to do with that but seems unlikely actually.

thought that was there to paint a fish scarlet

apparently some of the chinese internet has spent a lot of time talking about how you can use a stressball in your armpit to temporarily cut off the pulse at your wrist, and dude was playing with a stressball for lots of the episode? idk i can't really be arsed to watch the show again to see if this is plausible,

I've read that a few places too. Was a squash ball iirc.

http://f.cl.ly/items/3k0d1f1X2p1G38152y1L/IMG_0392.jpg

so i finally caught up w/this and liked it a lot! i don't think the plots withstand too much scrutiny, but that's okay. also the baskerville ep was kind of lame.

a question for britishes: what were the less-bbc accents of ms adler and d.i. lestrade supposed to convey?

Haha what? Lara Pulver is totally BBC, surely. I don't think anything was meant to be conveyed by accents - there are a *lot* of varying ones in the UK!

as someone who hasn't read the books i really liked the show! i wish that britishes knew how to make real seasons, though. 3-4 episodes do not a season make.

though they are long episodes at least!

i wish i hadn't burned through all of them in, like, 3 days a few weeks ago... because this is the kind of thing i feel like watching right now, ohwell

exactly!

i guess there's a bunch of dr. who, but i'm not sure if i'm ready

get ready!

I tried watching the doctor who pilot in netflix bc of sherlock connection and I was not feeling :(

it gets better. but is perhaps an acquired taste. I mean, one has to keep in mind that it's a family show, after all.

And Sherlock is no family show...

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lz0mizGkG01r5n6jh.gif

I tried watching the doctor who pilot in netflix bc of sherlock connection and I was not feeling :(

uh it has changed style more than a few times since 1963! you would be much better starting off with either Blink (a Moffatt one-off from the RTD run) or The Eleventh Hour (the first episode of Moffatt's run as head writer/producer).

I think she means the pilot of the revived series. Anyway, I think it starts getting good with "Father's Day," which is the third episode of season 1. Stay with it, teh! #itgetsbetter

ah, they didn't do a pilot for the revival, though*! for anyone coming to it because of Moffatt, though, I would strongly advise against sitting through four years of RTD, much of which is actively awful. You can absolutely start watching with The Eleventh Hour, and if you get into it, go back and fill in gaps later. But a Sherlock fan should enjoy Blink generally.

*the first episode didn't even get finished in its production run, and had to have scenes picked up by other directors later in other blocks

ok so if i dl'd the eccleston season is that a good place to start or not

wait, five years of RTD! stupid specials.

also, Father's Day is painfully dumb

mookie - if you don't enjoy Eccleston, follow my suggestions above (or migrate to a Who thread where I will give detailed ones). there's a v good Moffatt two-parter in the Eccleston year though, so at least skip to that before abandoning.

the end of the Ecclestone year is p much not worth watching anyway though. (actually this applies to the end of ALL RTD years, only moreso)

i am fine with eccleston, i guess, since i know nothing else? in any case, i don't understand your banter, as it were

RTD?

RTD = Russell T. Davies, the first show-runner. And hell, I liked his seasons!

AND I liked the season finales as well! I'm terrible. And I'm not terribly bothered about RTD's tendency for deus ex machina.

And I assumed that teh meant the first episode when she referred to the "pilot."

who did you buy a fez for, though