Ashlee Simpson's jig was hilarious, though
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Sunday, 15 January 2012 21:01 (twelve years ago) link
(and also she was never a person to be taken seriously as a musician)
watch out I think lex is still reading this thread
― dayo, Sunday, 15 January 2012 21:02 (twelve years ago) link
people ignore bad performances by artists they like all the time. what is it about iana del ray that makes you go "I can't trust this performer anymore"
trust her?
― Mordy, Sunday, 15 January 2012 21:08 (twelve years ago) link
and the fact that that song is terrible
― sonderangerbot, Sunday, January 15, 2012 9:47 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Nah that song is still great, fuiud
― I certainly wouldn't have, but hey. (Le Bateau Ivre), Sunday, 15 January 2012 21:09 (twelve years ago) link
Ha, the lex is at his most lexist on this thread.
― I Don't Believe You've Met M. Bébé (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 15 January 2012 21:11 (twelve years ago) link
okay, maybe there's a better verb to describe how ya'll feel about her, but nothing about that performance demands 300 handwringing new answers about loni dol ruy
― dayo, Sunday, 15 January 2012 21:11 (twelve years ago) link
Time for a new dn
― Das Lexist (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 15 January 2012 21:11 (twelve years ago) link
shouldn't popists be most concerned about the fact that she only has one good song?
Save that hand-wringing for Austra...
― do you not like slouching? (Eazy), Sunday, 15 January 2012 21:16 (twelve years ago) link
i feel like everyone has it in for this girl for no good reason, it's kind of creept actually. and i'm not even into her music...
― I had to google gucci mane (The Brainwasher), Sunday, January 15, 2012 2:55 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
otm, there's an element of, like, ppl clamoring to beat each other to backlash & in the most extreme way, "can't fool me!"
― flopson, Sunday, 15 January 2012 21:16 (twelve years ago) link
― I Don't Believe You've Met M. Bébé (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, January 15, 2012 4:11 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
getting tired of reading shit like this & "oh, whiney" iet
― flopson, Sunday, 15 January 2012 21:18 (twelve years ago) link
OK, you're right, I'll go back and brush up on the basics before I comment again.
― Das Lexist (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 15 January 2012 21:20 (twelve years ago) link
Austra has an entire great album!
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Sunday, 15 January 2012 21:23 (twelve years ago) link
this thread is what happens when ILX is slow on weekends
― dayo, Sunday, 15 January 2012 21:24 (twelve years ago) link
didnt mean to single you or that post in partic out, just find theres been a critical amount of reflexive "oh [poster with scandalous posting style], never change you old fool" type posts lately
great dn btw :)
― flopson, Sunday, 15 January 2012 21:25 (twelve years ago) link
this the youtube i was thinking of, where it seems like she is not a completely walleyed perfomer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwL7f57cDJY
― goole, Sunday, 15 January 2012 21:25 (twelve years ago) link
this whole convo will happen again on the ilm eoy poll thread wont it? and that's about 76 places before its announced shes won!
― Jimmy Riddle Orchestra (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Sunday, 15 January 2012 21:25 (twelve years ago) link
could totally imagine her singing Trash by suede. plus most of dog man star.
― Jamie_ATP, Sunday, 15 January 2012 22:27 (twelve years ago) link
Thought it might be the NY Dolls song.
― Das Lexist (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 15 January 2012 22:30 (twelve years ago) link
Hmm, her voice actually sounds weaker in that vid and she still seems pretty uncomfortable; I believe that was CMJ 2008.
― Mark, Sunday, 15 January 2012 23:01 (twelve years ago) link
flopson otm, the whole "you are so YOU" thing is just tiresome at this point, every thread doesn't need to become a catalog of which posts are 'in character'
― some dude, Monday, 16 January 2012 00:40 (twelve years ago) link
typical some dude post^
― ⚓ (gr8080), Monday, 16 January 2012 00:42 (twelve years ago) link
lol
― flopson, Monday, 16 January 2012 00:45 (twelve years ago) link
this thread was good before the ship derail
― dayo, Monday, 16 January 2012 00:45 (twelve years ago) link
1) whole rockism vs popism has been done to death since seven years ago however2) to deny the distinction has any meaning at all or can ever be useful seems willfully ignorant especially in debate about whether whether latest pop sensation with one good song has any musical talent, ability, etc and accuse others of needing schooling in the basics doubles up on that3) Ergo, posts very much in character
― Das Lexist (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 16 January 2012 00:58 (twelve years ago) link
0) (why even try to post more than one line on iPhone)
― Das Lexist (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 16 January 2012 00:59 (twelve years ago) link
how many t-swift apologists are going in on LDR about not being able to sing live? just lex?
― some dude, Monday, 16 January 2012 01:00 (twelve years ago) link
http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxljzw1kSB1rn3zv4o1_500.jpg
not gonna lie, that shirt makes me happy
― fighting growlbacks bottomless spirit pit (reddening), Monday, 16 January 2012 01:01 (twelve years ago) link
Have to say, strong negative reaction striking me as a little *like punk never happened*. Agree with aerosmith that her pitch was mostly accurate and surprised by the shock over a performer with some natural, human idiosyncrasies. Part of what made it enjoyable imo.
― timellison, Monday, 16 January 2012 01:36 (twelve years ago) link
lot of people get away with not being technically accomplished singers if they have some stage presence or charisma, including in punk
― some dude, Monday, 16 January 2012 01:40 (twelve years ago) link
like if she had been a really confident performer who just happened to sing off key for a verse the only person being negative itt would be DJP probably
― some dude, Monday, 16 January 2012 01:42 (twelve years ago) link
Well, as I said, I think it was technically OK. She would not have won American Idol, but that wasn't the most important thing to me when I watched it.
I think if it was Mary Margaret O'Hara or the Raincoats, something approximately like the charisma and stage presence she projected last night would have been the exact expectation.
― timellison, Monday, 16 January 2012 01:47 (twelve years ago) link
yeah it's crazy, almost strikes me as a little *like Lana Del Ray wasn't punk*
― some dude, Monday, 16 January 2012 01:51 (twelve years ago) link
The point is that after punk, we don't worry about those things.
― timellison, Monday, 16 January 2012 01:54 (twelve years ago) link
i don't want to sound like a total dick, but if you think her performance was technically OK, i think maybe you're not that discriminating?
― Mordy, Monday, 16 January 2012 01:54 (twelve years ago) link
The Velvet Underground can't play their instruments.
― timellison, Monday, 16 January 2012 01:55 (twelve years ago) link
this whole thing feels very reminiscent of the beginning of Liz Phair's career tbh
― some dude, Monday, 16 January 2012 01:57 (twelve years ago) link
They make rude remarks about meThey wonder just how wild I would be
― human trash (buzza), Monday, 16 January 2012 02:20 (twelve years ago) link
the fact that you can make good music without being technically accomplished does not mean that music can't suck when it's badly played/sung, and it moreover doesn't mean that technical proficiency is no longer a valid criticism after punk. the legacy of the velvets etc is that one need not let lack of technical aptitude stand between you and your vision. this legacy is decidedly not "it doesn't matter whether people can play their instruments or not"; to take that as the lesson is to miss not only some of the point, but all of it. after punk (much of which was played by outstanding musicians; if you think Glenn Matlock wasn't an excellent bassist who could've played with absolutely anyone, then you have tin ears), we say "just because something isn't played by a muso doesn't mean it can't be good." it doesn't mean we stop paying attention to whether somebody's a good musician or not, unless we are utter idiots.
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 16 January 2012 02:24 (twelve years ago) link
unless we are utter idiots.
I don't think you can just assume that this is not true
― dayo, Monday, 16 January 2012 02:39 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i'm fairly idiotic in the way i approach music. *shrug*
― ⚓ (gr8080), Monday, 16 January 2012 02:41 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, I'm certainly NOT making the point that criticism of music's technical aspects is invalid after punk. I'm asserting that a fundamental of a post-punk world allows for tolerance of, like, the fact that she missed three notes or something in her Saturday Night Live performance.
― timellison, Monday, 16 January 2012 02:48 (twelve years ago) link
Man, I was just about to write that this is just like Liz Phair, but was beaten to it. I'm trying to remember the horrible live performance *she* had...was it "Never Said?" I remember her being motionless and terrified...
So everyone should be relax, 'cause in a few years LDR will be coming out with amazing stuff like "Bollywood" and we'll look back on her early career missteps and laugh.
― dlp9001, Monday, 16 January 2012 02:54 (twelve years ago) link
Liz Phair's super-awful SNL was post-Guyville iirc - oh no wait I'm thinking of the Tonight Show when she did one I think called "Double Dutch," that was pretty fuckin harsh
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 16 January 2012 03:44 (twelve years ago) link
well yeah not many people in general do national TV spots before their first album is even out but i think in general there was a lot of chatter about Phair's stage fright and/or bad performances from very early on
― some dude, Monday, 16 January 2012 03:50 (twelve years ago) link
i hadnt heard 'off to the races' til yesterday, its so good also -- i guess i dont really care if shes a trainwreck live
― johnny crunch, Monday, 16 January 2012 04:29 (twelve years ago) link
you guys, i just realized that ldr is totally the wife in manos: the hands of fate.
http://horrorfanzine.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/manos-the-hands-of-fate-15.jpg
― choucrüt (get bent), Monday, 16 January 2012 04:36 (twelve years ago) link
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvi3w6460r1qzozj1.jpg
― choucrüt (get bent), Monday, 16 January 2012 04:37 (twelve years ago) link
I remember her being motionless and terrified
I'm beginning to think, perhaps, that's part of the persona/schtick. Its been part of every public performance by LDR I've seen.
Its not gansta Sinatra, its well groomed time-warp abuse victim.
― Plato’s The Cave In Claymation (Sanpaku), Monday, 16 January 2012 05:05 (twelve years ago) link
i can't deal with jaymc's deliberate obtuseness right now either. there is another part to that clause!!!! jesus christ people.
Uh, you asked what's rockist about live shows; I pointed out that live shows are, at least according to Kelefa Sanneh's landmark article (which I think most of us agree with, no?), one of the things that rockists most value. Putting live shows in opposition to music videos doesn't change that essential point, IMO; it simply delineates the sides more clearly. I dunno, I was just trying to be helpful.
― Girl I want to take you to a JBR (jaymc), Monday, 16 January 2012 05:17 (twelve years ago) link