what happens if SOPA passes?

true. i think it's kind of a shame that there seems to be this pushback of "ahhhh it PROBABLY won't make a difrerence, let's not even bother getting angry about this or figuring out if there's any way to stop it," though.

there is a missing "all" in my post but I think my point is still clear enough

I'm not getting angry about this because I don't think it is manifestly wrong? I mean, I am not holding delusions about artists magically making more money out of a more tightly-controlled Internet or anything, but on balance I've never read or seen anything to make me question the idea that unsanctioned free filesharing isn't stealing, and as a result I'm not super bothered when governments try to stick enforceable penalties on it.

Having said that, attempting to push the entire industry back to what it was in the 80s is regressive and not going to happen, but not because of any major uproar; it's because we now have a generation of first world Earth who think music is economically worthless and any market based solely upon it is pretty much doomed for the next 30 years regardless of what shape it takes.

I don't think its manifestly wrong either wrt to the filesharing issue, but SOPA will be way more far-reaching than just p2p file sharing of music and movies. Thats why I think some dude is otm.

WAKE UP SHEEPLE WE WILL NOT BE SILENCED

FIRST AMENDMENT BILL HICKS WAS RIIGHT

The bill would make unauthorized streaming of copyrighted content a crime, with a maximum penalty of five years in prison for 10 such infringements within six months.

this is the part that is going to be entirely unenforceable IMO

It other words reacting to this with a shrug of the shoulders because "kids will find another way to share music and movies", is a really reductive read of what SOPA is all about and conveniently ignores a lot of the more frightening aspects of the proposed bill.

like basically this is saying "clicking on a link someone sent you from Youtube can send you to jail" and I don't see how it can be enforceable on any large scale

yeah, i'm not worried that people won't be able to as easily steal or illegally share music/intellectual property anymore, or that some of the people who've been knowingly breaking the law all along might actually face consequences in greater numbers, i'm worried about all the much more undesirable scenarios outlined upthread that could be made possible by this piece of legislation noone in their right mind thinks the world NEEDS.

OTM

like basically this is saying "clicking on a link someone sent you from Youtube can send you to jail" and I don't see how it can be enforceable on any large scale

Oh of course this insn't enforceable on any massive level, but imho the frightening part is that it might lead to user-generated sites just shutting down rather than having to deal with all sorts of liability issues.

Yeah most people who are getting angry are doing so because it leaves a *lot* of sites that have nothing to do with filesharing potentially open to being closed down because of the bill being complete overkill. ILX, for example, could easily have one person post one filesharing link one time and get shut down, as I understand it.

Booz & Company on November 16 released a study, funded by Google, finding that almost all of the 200 venture capitalists and angel investors interviewed would stop funding digital media intermediaries if the House bill becomes law.

^^^ this is why this will not happen or be enforced if it does happen

and if it does all happen and ILX gets yanked, you can all stare at the blocked message and say "fuck you DJP, you were so wrong *shakes fist*"

dude we all know your real name, we'll find you

not if facebook gets shut down

everything must go

i'm pretty curious about what will happen if SOPA passes. part of my job involves clearing use of academic articles for professors & the guy who oversees copyright stuff is pretty concerned about it

Hmmm:

In a move the technology sector will surely see as a victory, a controversial antipiracy bill being debated in Congress will no longer include a provision that would require ISPs to block access to overseas Web sites accused of piracy.
Rep. Chairman Lamar Smith (R-Texas), one of the biggest backers of the Stop Online Piracy Act, today said he plans to remove the Domain Name System or DNS-blocking provision.
"After consultation with industry groups across the country," Smith said in a statement released by his office, "I feel we should remove DNS-blocking from the Stop Online Piracy Act so that the [U.S. House Judiciary] Committee can further examine the issues surrounding this provision.
"We will continue to look for ways," Smith continued, "to ensure that foreign Web sites cannot sell and distribute illegal content to U.S. consumers."
A watered down SOPA means Smith improves his chances of getting the bill through Congress. Smith's move comes a day after a backers of a similar bill in the Senate, known as the Protect IP Act, began to backtrack on the issue of DNS.
Without the DNS provision, SOPA now looks a great deal more like the OPEN Act, a bill introduced by Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) and Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.), which was created to be an alternative bill to SOPA.

Lol it was so obvious that was going to happen

I'm not getting angry about this because I don't think it is manifestly wrong? I mean, I am not holding delusions about artists magically making more money out of a more tightly-controlled Internet or anything, but on balance I've never read or seen anything to make me question the idea that unsanctioned free filesharing isn't stealing, and as a result I'm not super bothered when governments try to stick enforceable penalties on it.

Having said that, attempting to push the entire industry back to what it was in the 80s is regressive and not going to happen, but not because of any major uproar; it's because we now have a generation of first world Earth who think music is economically worthless and any market based solely upon it is pretty much doomed for the next 30 years regardless of what shape it takes.

so fucking well put & otm

I dunno, as a musician in a pitifully unknown band, I really welcome file-sharing. Anything that gets people to hear what we've done is cool by me. Yeah, I definitely hope that this will result in them either coming to a gig or actually buying the record, but I'm under no illusion that those will be the actual results. I still don't feel like I'm being stolen from, though.

I haven't even read this yet, but here's what the White House has to say.

Obama sez I'm president and I ain't payin $12 to hear Lil Wayne rhyme "Machiavelli" with "jelly"

Mostly it's the tying in with HOMELAND SECURITY that is upsetting to me.

Why is that upsetting?

I like that the white house's statement tries to get beyond the simplistic x vs. y argument. Its like theyre telling us to grow the fuck up lol

lol yeah it's like they're on a whole different level from us dumbasses. hard to stand in the glare of their wisdom

lol

sad lol

it's because we now have a generation of first world Earth who think music is economically worthless

I agree 100%; also, the industry had the power to take control of this in the fallout of Napster and didn't. Here we are more than 10 years later and the industry is still trying to shut everything down rather than just make content available. If it weren't so hellbent on retrofitting its antique structure into the 21st century we would already be well on the way to a non-SOPA solution imo.

by 'take control' I mean sell its content via the new medium instead of being Victorian-era dicks

lol yeah it's like they're on a whole different level from us dumbasses. hard to stand in the glare of their wisdom

― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, January 14, 2012 4:43 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lol you cant even praise the tone of a letter ?

frankly i think they have a point. it would be nice if ppl didn't just rally to protect their free mp3s, but rallied around coming up w/ solutions for overseas piracy. i'd think you'd agree with that

I wouldn't, and I'm presumably one of the "victims."

solution for overseas piracy = destroy all boats

the industry had the power to take control of this in the fallout of Napster and didn't. Here we are more than 10 years later and the industry is still trying to shut everything down rather than just make content available. If it weren't so hellbent on retrofitting its antique structure into the 21st century we would already be well on the way to a non-SOPA solution imo.

this is what "the adult in the room" would actually say btw

otm

I don't know whether that's a compliment or a zing

and now, a lol break

http://torrentfreak.com/images/rupert.jpg

complete with 'you are hurting the artists'

One day all of the artists will just decide not show up to work and stop making art and then we'll be sorry!

solution for overseas piracy = destroy all boats

― Neanderthal, zondag 15 januari 2012 0:05 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

well the lulzboat, surely

the industry had the power to take control of this in the fallout of Napster and didn't. Here we are more than 10 years later and the industry is still trying to shut everything down rather than just make content available. If it weren't so hellbent on retrofitting its antique structure into the 21st century we would already be well on the way to a non-SOPA solution imo.

this is what "the adult in the room" would actually say btw

― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, January 14, 2012 5:51 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

completely disagree. didnt you just otm rudolphus tarantino, who said exactly what i did?

you're confusing 'music' with 'piracy.' if we can all get free films from overseas it essentially guts an industry that relies on a lot more investment. The tipping point for films hasn't been reached the way it has w/ music but I think it's just as reasonable (and obviously w/ services like Netflix studios are hoping to head off the worst of it better than the music industry did)

sorry for using djp's real name, i wasnt thinking. a mod can edit that

shit wasn't even heated

just make content available.

what the fuck does this even mean?

lol @ rudolphus tarantino

SOPA dead, PIPA still in progress. Wikipedia's blackout day still going ahead iirc.

https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petition-tool/response/combating-online-piracy-while-protecting-open-and-innovative-internet

can I just point out that when I said "this isn't going to happen", I was OTM

and i'm perfectly happy to say you were right!