Indefinite Detention? But I Have Soccer Practice at 4: U.S. Politics 2012

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Hope there's a big Occupy/secular left turnout to protest at the DNC next September in Charlotte, cuz the religious right is a-comin:

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/religious-right-activists-plan-protests-democratic-national-convention

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 19:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah there's one planned

iatee, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 19:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

I wonder which group will absorb most of the pepper spray?

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 19:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

there's one for mythbusters

til the power failure (darraghmac), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 19:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

Would watch

Do you know what the secret of comity is? (Michael White), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 19:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

Hopefully it turns out better than their stunt with the cannon

Do you know what the secret of comity is? (Michael White), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 19:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

"At some point we have to decide whether this is a country of, by and for the judges, or of, by and for the people."

Um, did you just move here or were you dropped on your head a lot as a child?

Do you know what the secret of comity is? (Michael White), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 19:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol I did not really get the context of the legal argument until the very last sentence of the article

locally sourced stabbage (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 19:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

i feel like, on efficiency grounds, a progressive organisation should be threatening a response to the lack of action regarding wall st, rather than impotently pushing for a so not gonna happen long-belated enquiry into it. like surely they would get more traction saying "fuck you you should have investigated we're not voting" or w/e, over "let's keep the flame a burnin re: you suddenly 180-ing on resolving that shit three years after the fact"

quick brown fox triangle (schlump), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 21:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

By the way, today's anniversary makes the thread title true!

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 21:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

yep

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 21:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

libs never threaten Democrats, ever. they don't want to be Naderized by their neighbors.

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 21:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

I thought this framework from a Weekly Sift article, The Four Flavors of Republican, was an interesting way to think about members of a party with very different priorities:

The article goes on to define the four archetypes, talk about areas of agreement and disagreement among them, and then closes with:

Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush unified the four flavors, but this year no candidate does. NeoCons can’t support Ron Paul, Libertarians can’t support Rick Santorum, and Theocrats can’t support Mitt Romney. That’s why Republican insiders keep having fantasies about some new candidate — it’s basically the same fantasy they had about Rick Perry before he turned out to be an idiot: a tough-talking, pro-business, Christian Reconstructionist who wants to abolish the EPA.

Each non-fantasy candidate exposes a different fault line, so expect Obama to run differently depending on who the Republican nominee is. His increasing economic populism of late is evidence that he expects to run against Romney.

your pain is probably equal (Z S), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 21:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

keep it real America!

locally sourced stabbage (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 23:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

obama is having a 30k plate fundraiser 100 ft down the street from my boyfriend's building tonight, which dr. morbius nickname for bam should i use when i derisively heckle the attendees?

tyga mother (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 12 January 2012 00:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

which dr. morbius nickname for bam should i use when i derisively heckle the attendees?

Obamao

locally sourced stabbage (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 12 January 2012 00:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

baroque o-bomber

til the power failure (darraghmac), Thursday, 12 January 2012 00:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

bam will be there after he wraps one of his other private fundraisers w/ an ex-bear stearns exec

tyga mother (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 12 January 2012 00:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

obama is having a 30k plate fundraiser 100 ft down the street from my boyfriend's building tonight, which dr. morbius nickname for bam should i use when i derisively heckle the attendees?

Obamoneybags

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 12 January 2012 00:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

his other private fundraisers w/ an ex-bear stearns exec

this is more delicious than the dinner!

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 12 January 2012 00:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

Obamoneybags

― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, January 11, 2012 7:06 PM (36 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

might have to paint this on a sheet and hang it from the balcony

tyga mother (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 12 January 2012 00:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

keep it real America!

this really depressed the shit out of me.

unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 12 January 2012 00:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

^ :(

rebecca blah (k3vin k.), Thursday, 12 January 2012 00:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

was already feeling really low cause of this

http://nymag.com/news/features/danny-chen-2012-1/

but now, man

bob loblaw people (dayo), Thursday, 12 January 2012 00:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

looking forward to asking my in-law (currently on TOD w State Dept in Afghanistan) about this

locally sourced stabbage (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 12 January 2012 00:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

NOBAMNEY

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 January 2012 00:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

btw you can tell those are Taliban cuz they're corpses, just like Vietcong

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 January 2012 00:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

Greenwald on the assassinations of Iranian physics professors.

Is it just ME who didn't realize that 5 or 6 of these dudes have been MYSTERIOUSLY blown up or gunned down in the last 2 years?!? Does it not seem completely bonkers?

It means why you gotta be a montague? (Laurel), Thursday, 12 January 2012 17:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

The NYT finally deigned to publish a story on the front page.

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 12 January 2012 17:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

assassinations are totally predictable imho. what did you expect Israel to do.

locally sourced stabbage (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 12 January 2012 17:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

they're pretty well determined to be the only nuclear power in the area, and they have the means and the backing to make it happen

locally sourced stabbage (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 12 January 2012 17:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

I disagree w/Greenwald and Sullivan. I thunk terrorism should be more strictly defined and not bandied about recklessly. It is an attempt to sway a government's policy or to bring about recognition for a cause or organization by means of terror. These are targeted assassinations that attempt less, I think, to sway the government of Iran than simply to kill important scientists who may be working at obtaining nuclear weapons. It's less terrorism than low-level acts of war.

Do you know what the secret of comity is? (Michael White), Thursday, 12 January 2012 17:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's less terrorism than low-level acts of war.

But Greenwald has said this.

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 12 January 2012 17:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

Even the NYT story included a quote admitting as such.

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 12 January 2012 17:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

assassinations are totally predictable imho. what did you expect Israel to do.

I can't tell how seriously to take this?

It means why you gotta be a montague? (Laurel), Thursday, 12 January 2012 17:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

Shakey's next post puts it in context.

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 12 January 2012 17:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

I don't think Shakey is providing moral justification so much as (perhaps) pointing out that there's a long history of assasination in the region both by and against Israel.

extremely lewd and incredibly crass (Hurting 2), Thursday, 12 January 2012 17:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

And that it's the kind of think one would expect Israel to do to achieve its goals

extremely lewd and incredibly crass (Hurting 2), Thursday, 12 January 2012 17:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

What do people think are the chances of US involvement?

It means why you gotta be a montague? (Laurel), Thursday, 12 January 2012 17:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

wd be unsurprising October Surprise by President Hope.

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 January 2012 17:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

What do people think are the chances of US involvement?

The chance that we weren't involved is about as low as Obama's second term being the liberal one.

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 12 January 2012 17:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2012/01/201211244648837585.html

US officials have denied any role in the apparent killing of an Iranian nuclear scientist, and condemned the bomb attack which Tehran said was linked to Washington and Israel.

"I want to categorically deny any United States involvement in any kind of act of violence inside Iran," Hillary Clinton, the US Secretary of State, told reporters on Wednesday when asked about Iranian allegations over the attack.

Tommy Vietor, a National Security Council spokesman, added: "The United States had absolutely nothing to do with this. We strongly condemn all acts of violence, including acts of violence like this."

ha ha ha.

goole, Thursday, 12 January 2012 17:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

Dennis Perrin tweet!

Israel is the 1972 Miami Dolphins of nuclear weapons. No one else in the region can match its record.

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 January 2012 17:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

ANTI ISRAEL OBAMA CONDEMNS ISRAELI ACT OF SELF DEFENSE PROFESSOR ASSASSINATION

unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 12 January 2012 18:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

IDK, the US being involved on some level or not being involved on some level seem like equal possibilities to me. I could see Israel doing it with the nod from Washington, Israel doing it on its own without a nod from anyone, someone else doing it with the nod from Washington, etc.

To be clear, I would be surprised if neither Israel nor the US is invovled, I just don't think both necessarily were.

extremely lewd and incredibly crass (Hurting 2), Thursday, 12 January 2012 18:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

i don't think the US could have pulled something like this off. it involved a certain degree of knowing what the fuck is up in iran which we seem not to have

goole, Thursday, 12 January 2012 18:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

And if Israel could do it on its own, they likely wouldn't ask for a nod. They know we'd say yes, and not asking would give us deniability.

nickn, Thursday, 12 January 2012 18:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

don't think anyone has said we were directly involved; it's more like like the Israeli general or whatever's reaction on Facebook yesterday: "I won't shed a tear."

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 12 January 2012 18:07 (2 years ago) Permalink


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