in Hughes' movies, all non-white, urban dwelling people are ethnic criminals FYI
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― The Silent Extreme (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 00:34 (twelve years ago) link
at least nothing that stands out so markedly from the era
how about the scene where Anthony Michael Hall "talks black" in Weird Science
― The Silent Extreme (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 00:35 (twelve years ago) link
wtf hughes did home alone
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 00:35 (twelve years ago) link
the 'police academy' films are chock full of this kind of shit too
― donna rouge, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 00:35 (twelve years ago) link
btw I watched sixteen candles and metropolitan within like a few weeks of each other and metropolitan clearly ripped sixteen candles off in the female lead department didn't it?
― bob loblaw people (dayo), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 00:35 (twelve years ago) link
or they're caricatures that want to anally rape you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kfipl5BYBqo
― The Silent Extreme (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 00:36 (twelve years ago) link
hollywood is vv white btw
― omar little, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 00:36 (twelve years ago) link
I was watching Uncle Buck over Christmas and thinking "this is pretty aggressively heteronormative" but... John Candy. I just love the guy.
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 00:37 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu-p_OQChKQ&feature=related
― The Silent Extreme (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 00:37 (twelve years ago) link
it's kind of amazing how many scripts i've read which have these kinds of scenes and how many of them got made.
― omar little, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 00:38 (twelve years ago) link
look out! black people!
― The Silent Extreme (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 00:38 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaJhLyDhsgc
― buzza, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 00:38 (twelve years ago) link
i don't mind offensive humor but the stuff is 99% coming from the minds of rich white dudes, which is why shit like the al qaeda joke in 'crank' is kind of unforgivable to me.
― omar little, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 00:39 (twelve years ago) link
Not to mention the "primitive cultures" line/cutaway in that scene.
― Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 00:39 (twelve years ago) link
ppl will probably be smdh over this in 20 years too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aL_0ech5F5M
― bob loblaw people (dayo), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 00:47 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_CUV0Er7EE
― bob loblaw people (dayo), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 00:49 (twelve years ago) link
that is an ... odd character yes.
the rolling-up-the-window thing is totally funny tho
― The Silent Extreme (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 00:50 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E8-NklZobg
― omar little, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 00:52 (twelve years ago) link
i don't mind offensive humor but the stuff is 99% coming from the minds of rich white dudes
― omar little, Monday, January 9, 2012 4:39 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
my friend just gave me his brother in law's (white american dude who works in finance) movie script and 90% of it was this kind of racist bullshit
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 00:52 (twelve years ago) link
but it was the kind of bullshit that could easily get made
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 00:53 (twelve years ago) link
easily made bullshit
― bob loblaw people (dayo), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 00:53 (twelve years ago) link
amazed how many scripts include stuff like CUT TO: SCARY BLACK GUY or DOG REACTION SHOT or misogynist bullshit passed off as gospel truth.
― omar little, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 00:58 (twelve years ago) link
if this were a thread about racism in non-comedies i'd just be going on about the fuckedupness of assault on precinct 13
― Bruce K. Tedesco (zachlyon), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 01:11 (twelve years ago) link
wait, what is wrong with DOG REACTION SHOT?
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 02:45 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T55ArHjeR1c
― Number None, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 02:47 (twelve years ago) link
racist as hell, mostly cringe-worthy & regrettable, but I can't help but lol @ the post-bacchanal exchange b/w the donger & grandpa.
Dong, where is my automobile?
― hooked on ebonics (Pillbox), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 03:18 (twelve years ago) link
Character is much more richly developed in Dong Is Missing.
― Cheap desert locations (Eazy), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 04:18 (twelve years ago) link
Is Borat any different from Long Duk Dong?
― Cheap desert locations (Eazy), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 04:23 (twelve years ago) link
not really, but i'm the only person that's going to agree w/ you on that
― seasonal thug (some dude), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 04:32 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsywLclz8A8
― Lady Writer, Male Seether (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 08:22 (twelve years ago) link
john hughes did papa johns
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 08:25 (twelve years ago) link
Revenge of the Nerds is PACKED with this stuff, PLUS it ends with a comic rape scene!
― Walter Galt, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 10:47 (twelve years ago) link
At the weekend, ITV broadcast Disney's One of Our Dinosaurs is Missing, complete w/ Sir Peter Ustinov as wiley/ludicrous oriental:
http://www.sirpeterustinov.com/dinopubigcopy.jpg
John Hughes, of course, wrote for National Lampoon magazine in the 70s, and that's incredibly racist a lot of the time
― Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 11:13 (twelve years ago) link
http://i43.tower.com/images/mm107558347/mastermind-zero-mostel-vhs-cover-art.jpg
Zero Mostel, ladies and gentlemen
http://filmfanatic.org/reviews/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/Dr.Lao.JPG
Tony Randall, ladies and gentlemen
― Poppy Newgod and the Phantom Banned (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 11:20 (twelve years ago) link
oh damn
16 Candles also has the following exchange between MR and her best friend:
And you do it on a cloud
without getting pregnant
or herpes.
I don't need the cloud.
Just a pink Trans Am
and the guy, right?
A black one.
A black guy? (Sounds completely horrified)
A black Trans Am.
A pink guy.
That whole convo was always pretty o_O to me.
― ☆★☆彡彡 (ENBB), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 11:53 (twelve years ago) link
"if this were a thread about racism in non-comedies i'd just be going on about the fuckedupness of assault on precinct 13"
The original or the remake?
― i couldn't adjust the food knobs (Phil D.), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 12:14 (twelve years ago) link
The last time this was brought up on ILX, I think someone posted a link to an article by an Asian-American writer with a detailed decription of how the image Long Duk Dong affected the way he was treated as teenager (similar to the Adrian Tomine comic). I remember the writer mentioning that before LDD, the stereotypical image of Asian guys was Bruce Lee, but at least Lee was a badass kung fu guy, so Long Duk Dong replacing him was actually a turn for the worse. Can anyone locate that article, I thought it was a good reading on this subject?
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 12:27 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=88591800
― bob loblaw people (dayo), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 12:29 (twelve years ago) link
Oh yeah, that's it, I guess I misremembered that it was written by Martin Wong instead of him being interviewed for it.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 12:35 (twelve years ago) link
didn't know there was a remake. original came to mind after people were talking about john hughes' terror @ inner-city black people. precinct 13 seems like it comes from the mind of someone who's never been in a city and thinks that black people are all sociopathic sadists who will kill your innocent white daughter as she eats her ice cream cone.
oh for fuck's sake i just remembered it was my blackface/golliwog friend that made me watch it
― Bruce K. Tedesco (zachlyon), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 14:12 (twelve years ago) link
I think you should refer to him as that, to his face.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 14:29 (twelve years ago) link
introduce him to people that way
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 14:33 (twelve years ago) link
"Hi, this is my friend, Mr. Blackface Golliwog."
"..."
"Well its not offensive in England."
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 14:35 (twelve years ago) link
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-sxjPDDtsXdc/Ti_-g1K8EUI/AAAAAAAAESE/WyzwbzSFRYk/s1600/marlon-brando-the-teahouse-of-the-august-moon.jpg
― Tom D (Tom D.), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 14:43 (twelve years ago) link
precinct 13 seems like it comes from the mind of someone who's never been in a city and thinks that black people are all sociopathic sadists who will kill your innocent white daughter as she eats her ice cream cone.
?? All the bad guys in the movie are pretty much a mix of white, Latino and black -- and the one who shoots the little girl is as white as white can be, noted weirdo Frank Doubleday:
http://www.wearysloth.com/Gallery/ActorsD/4803-939.gif
And the hero of the movie looks like this:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_jCtQBPsvASY/Sfps1jvRuVI/AAAAAAAAAg8/Y9bWaPP71dE/s400/16581-939.gif
I don't think the film's racial politics are anywhere near how you're describing them here. Granted it's been a long time since I've seen it, but that doesn't jibe with my memory of it.
― i couldn't adjust the food knobs (Phil D.), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 14:57 (twelve years ago) link
I was wondering that too, I thought maybe he was talking about the remake, which I've never seen. I don't remember the original being as problematic as most of the other films itt, but like you I haven't seen it in over a decade.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 14:58 (twelve years ago) link
Here's how to do it right:
http://www.mastermindboardgame.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/mastermind-board-game-original-cover-art.jpg
― Cheap desert locations (Eazy), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 15:20 (twelve years ago) link
My grandparents used to have that game!
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 15:24 (twelve years ago) link
I was a teenager in the 80's and I didn't much like Hughes movies. I know that sets me out of the norm but they all seemed so tedious to me.
I like Tomine's take on the character. If the humor had been at all subversive or insightful, it might have been slightly more palatable. Instead, we have a lucky generic Asian who gets to learn from suburban white ppl how to hang out in trees or whatever.
― Do you know what the secret of comity is? (Michael White), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 15:33 (twelve years ago) link
And nail Joan Cusack. Don't forget that.
― i couldn't adjust the food knobs (Phil D.), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 15:34 (twelve years ago) link
anyway stop posting about it in THIS THREAD i keep forgetting
― vermicious kid (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 11:49 (six years ago) link
Can only speak up to season 10/11. The notion The Simpsons was right-wing doesn't land for me. Not was it especially left-wing. It just represented whatever the conversation might have been going on at the time. Homer is a moving target. Lisa is probably getting to left-wing, but is developing. Marge could be a version of a grown-up Lisa (she voted for Carter twice etc.)
pretending Apu was ever acceptable is bullshit isn't it? I mean here they are getting called out on it 11 years agohttps://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2007/jul/16/theaputragedy― thomasintrouble, Monday, 9 April 2018 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― thomasintrouble, Monday, 9 April 2018 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I'd like to see the doc on Apu. Its a shame he was used to mock US/North American Asians as I do think he was overall a pretty positive depiction given the constraints of not being a main character, and then being a character on a cartoon show at that (Apu having a PhD is as much a part of the caricature as the accent. Its just what Indians do, you know.) Overall I was laughing with Apu back then.
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 12:11 (six years ago) link
Let’s not invent some “always punching up” narrative about the show that gave us Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel
― scotti pruitti (wins), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 12:14 (six years ago) link
Al Jean has been running the show for 18 years. I imagine lost touch with reality some time ago
― Number None, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 12:20 (six years ago) link
It's definitely pro-gun in that seemingly every other adult (I think including Krusty and Bee Guy??) in Springfield is a responsible gun owner.
https://media.giphy.com/media/32V6UqfX4ffHO/giphy.gif
― like hell, but with more ketchup (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 13:21 (six years ago) link
pro-gun is the default stance in America, not something one party does and another does not.
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 20:58 (six years ago) link
look at all the gun legislation during Obama's 8 years in office. we had a Democratic congresswoman shot in the head and she still supported gun rights.
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 20:59 (six years ago) link
that's a pretty shitty way to frame her considering she has been adamant about pushing for gun control legislation for 7 years
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 23:29 (six years ago) link
i love this thread's detour into high school architecture
― Lee626, Thursday, 12 April 2018 01:49 (six years ago) link
https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/25/entertainment/hank-azaria-apu/index.html
― omar little, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 15:58 (six years ago) link
Don't know if this has been posted before.
https://la.eater.com/2018/4/30/17303328/yellow-fever-restaurant-backlash-over-name
― nickn, Monday, 30 April 2018 22:31 (six years ago) link
Omg that name
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 30 April 2018 22:35 (six years ago) link
Wtf
Even overlooking the racial aspect naming your restaurant after an illness is pretty dumb
― frogbs, Monday, 30 April 2018 22:48 (six years ago) link
"Dengue Dave's"
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 1 May 2018 01:10 (six years ago) link
Matt Groening Says Debate Around Apu Is 'Tained'
― ... (Eazy), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 20:57 (five years ago) link
er, 'Tainted'
Groening is being so fucking dumb about this, like anyone would care if they stopped putting Apu in a show that everyone agrees has sucked nuts for like 15 years
― we æt so many shimripl (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 21:30 (five years ago) link
I don’t think anyone at the Simpsons saw my film #TheProblemWithApu so they make the same points over & over. Points I have already acknowledged & responded to in a 49 minute documentary that is readily available on iTunes. https://t.co/QDvNYTTZgo— Hari Kondabolu (@harikondabolu) July 18, 2018
― Centipedes? In this economy? (wins), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 21:52 (five years ago) link
For my interview, Netflix stipulated that I not ask Groening about Apu controversy. I asked Netflix, "Is Matt declining to comment on Apu?" They declined to answer that, so I went ahead and asked Matt about Apu. Netflix halted the interview immediately and disconnected the call. https://t.co/RCf3lpwjvI— Brad Wheeler (@BWheelerglobe) July 18, 2018
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 21:58 (five years ago) link