the bbc sherlock series by the dr who 'bloke' and starring tim from the office

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fwiw i think they overplay the "holmes doesn't care about other people or even know how they think" angle, or at least the second bit, since for successful social engineering, which the orig. holmes was a master at, you have to know what makes people tick.

ledge, Monday, 9 January 2012 10:28 (twelve years ago) link

He knows how people think, he just doesn't care too much.

get ready for the banter (NotEnough), Monday, 9 January 2012 10:36 (twelve years ago) link

yeah but that doesn't really work with all the "too soon?" "too soon" holmes/watson interplay.

ledge, Monday, 9 January 2012 10:39 (twelve years ago) link

the mental palace shit would have been fine if not for the my-brain-is-a-gesture-controlled-computer hand motions.

the passwords thing gave me the rage because it ALWAYS DOES - it especially grates on shows where the password guesser is meant to be a ~genius,~ for some reason, i guess because 'have a password that contains letters and numbers and is not one word' is so utterly basic and flashes up every time you have to pick a password, and yet you are supposed to believe that both An Investigating Genius and his target have never ever heard of it. it is just so lazy! i will believe in a magical usb-attaching black box that cycles through different poss passwords at an impossible rate before i will believe in a universe in which everyone's passwords are the lower-case un-leeted names of their favourite thing.

also, russell tovey seemed impossibly typecast.

vision creation newgod (c sharp major), Monday, 9 January 2012 10:40 (twelve years ago) link

Still finding it very entertaining, but yes, this week the fun was mostly character stuff and incidentals, not really plot.

Biggest disappointment – Prob not alone here in loving and wanting to see the uncanny England pagan moor countryside aesthetic, which goes very well with creepy science horror. Gatiss clearly going for that, but it didn't work for me - I was just seeing the signifiers, never unsettled.

the memory palace cringe-making. sluggish free association while voguing does not fill me with awe at genius. (It's a palace full of strange things! Show us the palace!)

you don't exist in the database (woof), Monday, 9 January 2012 11:24 (twelve years ago) link

the middle episode last year also tried to stretch things into a different set of genre conventions w/ iffy results

still haven't seen this but so far i only like moffat's episodes so enh

was there a trailer for next week's? i note it is titled 'the reichenbach fall'

thomp, Monday, 9 January 2012 11:40 (twelve years ago) link

i was positive that during the password-guessing scene, as holmes is rapid-fire scanning the bookshelves, everything at eye level, etc, that he was going to run across a scrap of paper taped to the monitor labelled "password" - i mean, no way were they actually going to have him GUESS the guy's password, right?? even matthew broderick in wargames has to think to append a "5" to the name he figures out

which makes two otherwise pretty rip-roaringly entertaining episodes in a row where the baddies only get nailed because holmes gets extremely lucky at password guessing

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 9 January 2012 13:08 (twelve years ago) link

even 'maggie79' would have been less ridiculous

but yeah, a few older people i've worked with have kept a notebook of passwords, why couldn't they have had that book hidden in a place that required ~deduction~ to find?

tho rly don't people working in high-security roles tend to have those private-key number-generator fob whatnots nowadays? like people who work for financial companies do?

vision creation newgod (c sharp major), Monday, 9 January 2012 13:46 (twelve years ago) link

i have three and i'm just yr average mediocre nerd

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 9 January 2012 13:49 (twelve years ago) link

(two for work and one for my online banking)

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 9 January 2012 13:50 (twelve years ago) link

actually when i first started my current job one crucial password wad actually taped to the bottom of one guy's keyboard

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 9 January 2012 13:54 (twelve years ago) link

'multi-factor authentication', is apparently what it's called?

so ANYWAY it would have been totally possible to say "he is an old-school martinet who hates all this newfangled bobbins and therefore leaves his multi-factor authentication widget hidden behind his framed photo of margaret thatcher" - you get the tory stuff, you get the ~characterisation~, you don't sacrifice believability to expediency.

vision creation newgod (c sharp major), Monday, 9 January 2012 13:57 (twelve years ago) link

i mean, srsly, was it not a cia database they were ~hacking into~ there

vision creation newgod (c sharp major), Monday, 9 January 2012 13:58 (twelve years ago) link

i know the CIA aren't as technologically adept as KPMG or whoever but surely they'd have got into security tokens by now.

vision creation newgod (c sharp major), Monday, 9 January 2012 14:01 (twelve years ago) link

or biometric auth, that's getting pretty common (we have it at work)

stet, Monday, 9 January 2012 14:08 (twelve years ago) link

"based on what you've told me about his personality i surmise his genetic profile would lead to his iris looking like this" [does quick biro sketch, holds it up in front of webcam]

ledge, Monday, 9 January 2012 14:32 (twelve years ago) link

even 'maggie79' would have been less ridiculous

Sherlock has just cracked your ILM pw

gord downer (Ówen P.), Monday, 9 January 2012 19:41 (twelve years ago) link

seconding password-guessing as a shorthand for genius is some tired-as-hell TV writing.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Monday, 9 January 2012 22:46 (twelve years ago) link

Enjoyed it, but nowhere near as much as the Moffat eps. Better than the non-Moffatt from last year, though.

Really, the problem is that Gatiss is an enjoyable but not great actor and writer. Most of his Doctor Who episodes are pretty half-baked, with some great lines in them.

Not only dermatologists hate her (James Morrison), Monday, 9 January 2012 23:23 (twelve years ago) link

I like him as Mycroft but his writing is just blargh.

Nicole, Monday, 9 January 2012 23:50 (twelve years ago) link

Last week was a bit iffy, but this was terrific. Bit drained after that.

sktsh, Sunday, 15 January 2012 22:51 (twelve years ago) link

Kinda loved it as it was going along. Bit audacious/cheeky/lazy (delete as applicable to not explain the ending.

pandemic, Sunday, 15 January 2012 22:53 (twelve years ago) link

I assume it was something to do with Molly.

pandemic, Sunday, 15 January 2012 22:54 (twelve years ago) link

didn't really understand what was going on on the roof. all that "i am you!" "you are me!" BANG!

ledge, Sunday, 15 January 2012 23:07 (twelve years ago) link

maybe we're not meant to understand. maybe it was all part of sherlock's genius plan that he had figured out from the beginning to a) get moriarty to kill himself and ii) appear to die, and it won't become clear till the next part. if that ever happens.

ledge, Sunday, 15 January 2012 23:09 (twelve years ago) link

xps, presumably Molly did the autopsy.

Mohombi Khush Hua (ShariVari), Sunday, 15 January 2012 23:17 (twelve years ago) link

it was gripping though i am fearful the explanation will be unsatisfactory.

(presumably john being pushed over was important, too)

djh, Sunday, 15 January 2012 23:23 (twelve years ago) link

https://twitter.com/#!/steven_moffat/statuses/158680970130751488

cozen, Sunday, 15 January 2012 23:29 (twelve years ago) link

I'm not sure how my enjoyment of this is affected by the realization that Cumberbatch is playing Sherlock as if he was playing Jeremy Clarkson.

Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Monday, 16 January 2012 06:12 (twelve years ago) link

Watson didn't see Sherlock jump, he saw the body fall. Sherlock asked Molly for a favour - he threw Moriarty's body over the edge and she falsified the post-mortem.

Matt DC, Monday, 16 January 2012 10:00 (twelve years ago) link

Pfeh, the lolling at Sherlock for thinking that technology worked that way didn't erase me shouting "technology doesn't work that way!" at the screen for the previous hour. Or explain the haunting of the jury's video screens, or how he convinced the assassins to kill each other over Sherlock.

I'd have been happier if they'd ended when Sherlock was halfway down, similar to the end of the first series. Every minute past that where people are going "I can't believe he's DEAD" makes it clearer that he isn't.

Also since the explanation will safe to say be based on Molly, there's no punch to the flared-nostril two-sides-of-the-same-coin bollocks on the rooftop, if Sherlock is being pushed towards an outcome that he's already prepared for.

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 16 January 2012 10:16 (twelve years ago) link

xp There's definitely an identifying shot of Sherlock's bloodied and dented face at the bottom though, right?

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 16 January 2012 10:17 (twelve years ago) link

swapped him in while john was lying on the tarmac - although the other passers-by would still be a problem. i thought john did see him jump though, he just didn't see him land.

ledge, Monday, 16 January 2012 10:20 (twelve years ago) link

Also I was so relieved that the key code thing turned out to be bollocks.

Matt DC, Monday, 16 January 2012 10:28 (twelve years ago) link

The stupidity of the policewoman annoyed me. Super genius criminal mastermind Sherlock kidnapped the kids, didn't cover his face, and then demanded he be the one to interview said kids.

pandemic, Monday, 16 January 2012 10:36 (twelve years ago) link

Also did Moriaty's trial really take place 6 weeks after the offense? Cameron certainly moving the criminal justice system on apace.

pandemic, Monday, 16 January 2012 10:38 (twelve years ago) link

tbf the original story hasn't got a much more satisfactory ending. "No, Watson I didn't fall to my death, I remembered I was an expert in Baritsu ("You're making that up now, Holmes..."), and then made it look like I fell and then had various adventures..."

Ned Trifle X, Monday, 16 January 2012 11:56 (twelve years ago) link

...three years later for reasons that will become clear just as soon as I've settled the advance from the publisher, here I am!

Ned Trifle X, Monday, 16 January 2012 11:57 (twelve years ago) link

Every minute past that where people are going "I can't believe he's DEAD" makes it clearer that he isn't.

Also the fact that he just isn't. I will be interested to see what explanation, if any, is offered for the old switcheroo, but on the whole the key difference for me between this week's hokum and last week's hokum was that this week's skipped along nice and quickly so I kind of didn't notice the hokum so much. More from this writer, please. Less from Mark Gatiss.

trishyb, Monday, 16 January 2012 14:32 (twelve years ago) link

Yes, this was a gazillion times better than last week. Though was Watson given the drug from last week, meaning that he was expecting to see Dead Sherlock (Sherlock had instructed him where to stand during his fall)? Why wasn't Moriarty's death also seen to be covered by the press? I assume Molly was involved.

ailsa, Monday, 16 January 2012 16:06 (twelve years ago) link

Which people have already said.

Why all the mindgames and shit from Moriarty on the roof when he had a gun in his pocket? And Richard Brook = Reichenbach so a hint there too?

ailsa, Monday, 16 January 2012 16:11 (twelve years ago) link

Though was Watson given the drug from last week, meaning that he was expecting to see Dead Sherlock (Sherlock had instructed him where to stand during his fall)?

That's some good thinking. (They did make the Richard Brook/Reichenbach link.)

trishyb, Monday, 16 January 2012 16:58 (twelve years ago) link

Hadn't Watson been hit over the head not long before or did I imagine that?

Didn't see any coverage of Moriarty afterwards, it was all Sherlock, hence the assumption it was Moriarty's body that went over the side.

Matt DC, Monday, 16 January 2012 17:03 (twelve years ago) link

Watson had been hit by a cyclist on his way over to see the post-fall Sherlock and had bumped his head. I don't know they could legislate for that resulting in a head trauma, so assuming cyclist was either buying time for Sherlock to get into position, or hitting John with Baskerville drug, or both. I don't think I'm making too huge a leap in assuming it wasn't coincidental.

ailsa, Monday, 16 January 2012 17:13 (twelve years ago) link

No, as soon as it happened I assumed it was deliberate. Maybe the cyclist sprayed him/injected him when he bumped him?

trishyb, Monday, 16 January 2012 17:49 (twelve years ago) link

Stupid policewoman is really being typecast. She's the same character in the *Controversy alert* superior Luther. She also played the same uncertain busybody in Waterloo Road.

danzig, Monday, 16 January 2012 19:12 (twelve years ago) link

...she's not in Luther.

Melissa W, Monday, 16 January 2012 20:12 (twelve years ago) link

oops sorry, my mistake

danzig, Monday, 16 January 2012 20:22 (twelve years ago) link

More from this writer, please. Less from Mark Gatiss.

Uh, the writer for this episode was responsible for the borderline-racist second episode from last "series."

lEEE (Leee), Monday, 16 January 2012 23:03 (twelve years ago) link

I only caught a small part of that second episode from last season, so maybe I missed what made it "borderline racist". What did I miss? Or is it borderline racist to infer that there is some sort of Chinese underground criminal network? No snark intended, genuinely curious because I didn't see the entire episode.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 16 January 2012 23:40 (twelve years ago) link


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