Indefinite Detention? But I Have Soccer Practice at 4: U.S. Politics 2012

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I was referring to Alfred.

i couldn't adjust the food knobs (Phil D.), Thursday, 5 January 2012 18:10 (twelve years ago) link

SO THERE.

i couldn't adjust the food knobs (Phil D.), Thursday, 5 January 2012 18:11 (twelve years ago) link

only "sheep" use "sheeple."

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 January 2012 18:16 (twelve years ago) link

LOL

unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 5 January 2012 18:25 (twelve years ago) link

as i've said before there are plenty of legitimate reasons to want obama to win re-election; i'm suspicious of anyone who doesn't at least acknowledge that he's a monster

k3vin k., Thursday, 5 January 2012 18:26 (twelve years ago) link

some very ugly Wisconsin-style "fuck it, we just do what we want" Republican hijinx last night in North Carolina

unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 5 January 2012 21:46 (twelve years ago) link

that's a terrible article btw but it's the one I got in the action alert mailing. what happened was, when they released three key Democrats were in the hospital, the NC GOP declared an emergency session for one a.m.. they called this session 90 minutes beforehand, refusing to say what it was going to be about, and then voted to override a veto they didn't like.

unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 5 January 2012 21:53 (twelve years ago) link

Greenwald responds to the Digby drone:

I can say this rather definitively: I wrote primarily about (war and civil liberties) issues during the Bush years and I never once heard any progressive — literally never once — say or even imply that these issues were receiving too much attention, that too much importance was being placed on them, that what really mattered was how Americans are treated economically and not those obscure foreigners or all this academic chatter about “due process” and checks on presidential power. But now, if you believe these issues are important, you’re some sort of fringe figure with strange, obscure boutique interests (or, to use this same liberal blogger’s phrase applied to me: you’re guilty of “civil-liberties-above-all-else” mania (is that an upgrade from what Joe Klein used to call me: “civil liberties extremist”?)). We learn from that same liberal writer (who is actually a Democratic Party operative) that “Liberalism is and has always been about intervention” (emphasis in original). Did anyone hear anything about that requirement from 2001 through 2008? My how times have changed.

But this is a necessary psychological tactic in order to reconcile steadfast support for a President who tramples upon values that one once claimed to find so critical: oh, those issues? War, due process, civil liberties, transparency, restraints on executive power. Eh – they aren’t that important. Someone who insists that the only legitimate means of political expression is to march behind President Obama and the Democratic Party is forced into that radical rearranging of priorities....

I actually don’t believe that the progressive reaction to this discussion is about Ron Paul. The same anger would be provoked by favorably comparing any political figure outside of the Democratic Party to President Obama on important issues, especially in an election year.... That, as I suggested in my first article, is viewed as the supreme sin, the one that must trigger oceans of denunciation and attack in order to deter similar acts of heresy.

http://www.salon.com/2012/01/05/democratic_party_priorities/singleton/

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 6 January 2012 16:34 (twelve years ago) link

that whole argument was stupid. the matt stoller defenses of ron paul were historically pretty half-assed and a little insidery to boot ("he's a nice guy when doing house business!"), and that particular counter-argument about liberalism = intervention was just monumentally stupid. both of them managed to get the civil war totally wrong in different ways.

goole, Friday, 6 January 2012 16:43 (twelve years ago) link

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Friday, 6 January 2012 19:09 (twelve years ago) link

loooooooooooooooooooool

unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 6 January 2012 19:42 (twelve years ago) link

trolling surely

i love pinfold cricket (gbx), Friday, 6 January 2012 19:53 (twelve years ago) link

Hell, it's still more recent than trying to fit laws into the 10 commandments and so forth.

windorne grey frogs (dowd), Friday, 6 January 2012 22:02 (twelve years ago) link

http://money.cnn.com/2012/01/06/news/economy/jobs_report_unemployment/index.htm?hpt=hp_t3

sorry, too lazy to find the economy thread, although I am interested in implications for the election if this trend continues

Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Friday, 6 January 2012 22:09 (twelve years ago) link

By all historical precedent, if employment improves significantly, Obama will wipe the floor w/any of these clowns

Do you know what the secret of comity is? (Michael White), Friday, 6 January 2012 22:17 (twelve years ago) link

I don't think it will improve "significantly' by November: it will improve modestly, which is still good news for Bamster.

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 6 January 2012 22:20 (twelve years ago) link

The voter, Edward True, signed an affidavit which stated that he had helped to count the vote after the caucus at the Garrett Memorial Library in Moulton.

... at this time he has declined to make any further statements, instead directing interested parties to his attorney, Justin Case.

Frobisher (Viceroy), Friday, 6 January 2012 22:33 (twelve years ago) link

By all historical precedent, if employment improves significantly, Obama will wipe the floor w/any of these clowns

otm

not that he couldn't beat them anyway, this is an historically terrible GOP field.

unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 6 January 2012 22:47 (twelve years ago) link

none of the candidates really seem as genuinely evil and crazy as giuliani but the 'pathetic' factor is definitely higher for this crop of candidates than '08.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 6 January 2012 23:01 (twelve years ago) link

haha okay I think Santorum, Paul, Gingrich, Bachmann and Perry can definitely compete with Giuliani in the "evil and crazy" stakes

Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Friday, 6 January 2012 23:04 (twelve years ago) link

Gingrich is a totally nasty dude

The Silent Extreme (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 6 January 2012 23:13 (twelve years ago) link

Perry actually executed an innocent man. Giuliani only WISHES he could.

i couldn't adjust the food knobs (Phil D.), Friday, 6 January 2012 23:15 (twelve years ago) link

IDK Guliani seemed like a genuine fascist-at-heart; most of these candidates are just jerks and bullies.

Frobisher (Viceroy), Friday, 6 January 2012 23:46 (twelve years ago) link

paul and bachmann are much crazier than rudy

mookieproof, Saturday, 7 January 2012 00:18 (twelve years ago) link

haha okay I think Santorum, Paul, Gingrich, Bachmann and Perry can definitely compete with Giuliani in the "evil and crazy" stakes

i don't exactly disagree with this but rudy just brought this particular brand of genuine 'banana republic caudillo' craziness that made him seem like w's natural successor in '08. gingrich comes closest to that.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 7 January 2012 00:37 (twelve years ago) link

betting on a close election, but as Taibbi says it's the least consequential in our history, can't give a fuck.

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 7 January 2012 01:27 (twelve years ago) link

You are as predictable as me saying that this is a consequential election because the Prez will nominate Supreme Court and other Federal judges

curmudgeon, Monday, 9 January 2012 16:52 (twelve years ago) link

iirc our last least consequential election in history was 2000

iatee, Monday, 9 January 2012 16:53 (twelve years ago) link

iirc our last least consequential election in history was 2000

iatee, Monday, 9 January 2012 16:53 (twelve years ago) link

i'm getting very curmugeony about hearing about gabby giffords

if i was in her district i would be wondering when we were going to get adequate representation back.

goole, Monday, 9 January 2012 17:02 (twelve years ago) link

yeah srsly. She may be an example of A Remarkable Recovery but the Diane Sawyers interview six or seven weeks ago had all kinds of trick editing and cuts which was bait for a skeptic like me.

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 January 2012 17:03 (twelve years ago) link

she'll still be able to cast pro-NRA votes, I figure.

curmudgeon: the Democratic Voter Doll has one hand holding its nose and squeals "the Supreme Court" when you squeeze it.

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Monday, 9 January 2012 17:08 (twelve years ago) link

XP Goole - I am in her district and I think that all the time... Like, why was there not an appointment? I mean I'm glad she's doing OK but everytime I feel the urge to call my rep. I remember, "oh that's not going to do much... even less than usual."

Frobisher (Viceroy), Monday, 9 January 2012 17:10 (twelve years ago) link

whoa, Daley is stepping down as Chief of Staff?

your pain is probably equal (Z S), Monday, 9 January 2012 19:24 (twelve years ago) link

wan't that announced months in advance?

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Monday, 9 January 2012 19:33 (twelve years ago) link

In November, he handed off some day-to-day management duties to Peter Rouse, a senior adviser to the president. I thought he had left in November, but now he's leaving permanently.

Jacob Lew, from OMB (and previously in the Clinton administration ) will be the new chief of staff.

Jacob Lew, is not a Goldman Sachs alumnus. No, he’s a former hedge fund manager who also worked with Citigroup (from whom he received a mammoth payout before he left in 2009).
http://www.rooseveltinstitute.org/new-roosevelt/skip-my-lew-no-more-president-obama

curmudgeon, Monday, 9 January 2012 20:02 (twelve years ago) link

she'll still be able to cast pro-NRA votes, I figure.

as a former intern for GG who took calls from her constituents on a daily basis (half of which tended to be extremist 'border' talk) i can attest that GG is as liberal a rep as this district will ever elect.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 9 January 2012 20:31 (twelve years ago) link

not going to doubt that

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Monday, 9 January 2012 20:33 (twelve years ago) link

x-post -

Ezra Klein with the inside the beltway take on Jacob Jack Lew:

In Congress, Lew’s stock is unusually high. He has emerged as one of the members of the Obama administration Republicans prefer working with. Earlier this year, Ben Smith, then at Politico, profiled Lew under the headline: “Lew: A liberal GOP says it trusts.” The piece included an admiring comment from House Majority Leader Eric Cantor.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/the-difference-between-jack-lew-and-bill-daley/2011/08/25/gIQAtts3lP_blog.html?hpid=z1

curmudgeon, Monday, 9 January 2012 20:35 (twelve years ago) link

Reading the chapter on Obamacare in Taibbi's Griftopia this morning was such a depressing, enervating experience that I sought comfort in Coriolanus.

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 January 2012 20:36 (twelve years ago) link

He has emerged as one of the members of the Obama administration Republicans prefer working with.

well sayonara to that then

goole, Monday, 9 January 2012 20:39 (twelve years ago) link

really like this "megabank rotation" we're setting up here, makes the process smoother

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 9 January 2012 21:57 (twelve years ago) link

Reading the chapter on Obamacare in Taibbi's Griftopia this morning was such a depressing, enervating experience that I sought comfort in Coriolanus.

― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 January 2012 20:36 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

brutal. how are both of these btw? coriolanus sounds good but has some awful 2002 heavy rock song on its trailer*

*btw i'm assuming you mean the film, i feel like a philistine if you were flipping pages of the play

quick brown fox triangle (schlump), Monday, 9 January 2012 22:09 (twelve years ago) link

the play. Lots of germane speeches.

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 January 2012 22:37 (twelve years ago) link

but no gerard butler

quick brown fox triangle (schlump), Monday, 9 January 2012 22:38 (twelve years ago) link

Here's the big story of the day (Tim Burton and Johnny Depp's secret involvement in the 2009 White House Halloween party) !:

A variety of conservative media outlets, including Fox News, the New York Post, and the Daily Caller, are worked up this week about a newly-discovered White House outrage: a 2009 Halloween party.

It’s tough pinpoint exactly what it is the right is upset about, but it seems to boil down to two main complaints: the White House (1) threw a lavish Halloween party during a recession; and (2) kept the event “secret.”

that's from: http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/

While the Washington Post's Reliable Source gossip page says:

If Johnny Depp and Tim Burton came to your party, think you might mention it?

Of course you would — heck, you’d probably tweet the minute they walked in the door. But the White House didn’t say a word, which explains the tempest in a teapot over the 2009 “Alice in Wonderland” Halloween party.

In her new book “The Obamas,” author Jodi Kantor describes the first family’s trick-or-treat extravaganza in Washington: More than 2,000 military kids and local students received treats from the president and Michelle Obama (fetchingly dressed as a leopard) while dancers and acrobats roamed the North Lawn. Inside, there was an invitation-only party for about 200 people — mostly military families and White House staffers. “Star Wars” characters mingled with the crowd, and the State Dining room was decorated like a crazy tea party by Burton, whose “Alice in Wonderland” was a few months from release. His star, Depp, greeted the guests in his Mad Hatter costume.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/reliable-source/post/why-was-white-house-mum-on-johnny-depp-at-alice-in-wonderland-party/2012/01/09/gIQAHkNVmP_blog.html

Tim Burton decorated (His Alice in Wonderland movie was about to come out) and Johnny Depp attended as the mad hatter. Really.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 15:10 (twelve years ago) link

On Monday, the White House hit back, saying the party was anything but secret, citing extensive media coverage of the trick-or-treaters on the North Portico.

“This was an event for military children and their families inside the White House, where the press came, photographs were taken,” said press secretary Jay Carney, who called Kantor’s account “an example of the kind of hype and sensationalizing that books like this do.”

“We may not have alerted folks that Johnny Depp was coming,” another White House spokesman, Eric Schultz, told us, “but we didn’t announce Chewbacca was coming either.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 15:12 (twelve years ago) link


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