2008 USP(G)ET pt. II: counting the days to 2012 primary thread 1

(haha, not basing that on Milton's post either)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/sep/17/uselections2008.democrats

More women against Sarah Palin... a lot of them:

http://womenagainstsarahpalin.blogspot.com/

Oh yeah - that news Ed linked to, I heard about last week...incredible. Lose your house, lose your vote!

guys, the palin will be at the anti-iran rally in nyc next week.

anti-iran rally?

jesus you're not kidding

it's on Monday. she's also getting quickie meetings with foreign leaders at the UN so that she can answer that question in slightly less embarrassing fashion.

you gotta be careful how you play it, but i think our local public needs to let people know how unready and unwelcome she is here in the big time.

did we talk about this part of that NYT story?

Laura Chase, the campaign manager during Ms. Palin’s first run for mayor in 1996, recalled the night the two women chatted about her ambitions.

“I said, ‘You know, Sarah, within 10 years you could be governor,’ ” Ms. Chase recalled. “She replied, ‘I want to be president.’ ”

is Sarah Palin "uppity"?

http://www.slate.com/id/2200209/

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/09/16/taxplans.jpg

that graphic is sort of confusing

they shouldnt put the two things next to each other on the horizontal

is mickey kaus an asshat? he seems so...

He is, though I agree with this:

Mark Halperin's three pieces of advice for Obama seem sound. (They are 1. Ignore Palin; 2. Get in McCain's head the way McCain's getting in Obama's; and 3. Refocus on the economy in an accessible way.)

http://www.slate.com/id/2200209#loserstrategy

Obama's new 2-minute commercial on the economy sounds like a step in the right direction:

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080917/obama_ad.html?.v=1

This advice to Obama sounds eminently sensible:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/09/obama_needs_clear_message_on_e.html

yall are some chicken little motherfuckers

not me man!

word up homie

For someone who clearly wants people to know he has read Tufte, that is a really shitty graph. Maybe I'm retarded, but if you weren't already familiar with the point it's trying to make, I'm not sure you would figure out the point it's trying to make.

ya--they need to make it a lot more clear that while the horizontal axis has meaning for the two separate sets of data, it doesnt have meaning as a whole

really? I get what you're saying, but I 'got' it right away. What would the respective tax plans 'do' to each income bracket?

In particular, I think these points by Galston are right on:

Second: you are not offering a focused, parsimonious list of remedies for the economic ills you cite. As a result, few if any voters can actually cite a single signature economic proposal you have made. It's not that you don't have ideas. If anything, you have too many. At some point, more becomes less, and you are well beyond that point. You need to decide which three or four economic proposals are most important and repeat them relentlessly for the next seven weeks.

...

Third: you are not drawing crisp, punchy contrasts between your plans and McCain's. An example: the centerpiece of his health care plan is the taxation of employer-provided health care benefits. Pound away at that, and let him explain why throwing workers into the individual health insurance market unprotected is such a wonderful idea. And by the way, while your plan would increase coverage, his would do the opposite. Is that the change Americans want?

i dont see why you wouldnt just place the two plans on top of one another, so you had a red and blue bar in each income bracket--that way youd actually get much better visual comparison of the difference

without the confusion over what the horizontal axis 'means'

You could easily spend a minute figuring out what -4.4% means. -4.4% of what? What's the significance of the minus sign? What's the significance of the areas in the plot? Are they quantitatively related to something?

ok ok fair enough

: ) thanks for posting it though, it's interesting!

okay are you guys serious with this criticism of that gif

"Why is one red and the other one blue?"
"What do those numbers with the dollar signs next to them mean?"
"Why are some of the horizontal bars lighter in color?"

You do bring up a good point with that last question.

http://usinfo.state.gov/products/pubs/chinese/elections-in-brief/images/photo15.jpg

I'm sorry, but shouldn't something like this get you thrown out of the DNC?

this thread needs way more pictures of Ross Perot w/charts and glasses

Looks like you can get a whole website full of 'em:

http://perotcharts.com/

“This is a hard decision for me personally because frankly I don't like him,” she said of Obama in an interview with CNN’s Joe Johns. “I feel like he is an elitist. I feel like he has not given me reason to trust him.”

Forester is the CEO of EL Rothschild, a holding company with businesses around the world. She is married to international banker Sir Evelyn de Rothschild. Forester is a member of the DNC’s Democrats Abroad chapter and splits her time living in London and New York.

http://www.depauw.edu/photos/PhotoDB_Repository/2007/12/perot%20small029.jpg

xp damn, sonned by perotcharts.com

i love America

those Rothschilds are real salt of the earth eh

would've been better if she'd called him uppity, since that's probably what she really meant.

x-post

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/09/17/art.clintonbacker.gi.jpg

"I feel like he's an elitist."

"pearl necklace"

Back in 1993 H. Ross gave a speech on campus the same night the as-yet-unsigned-to-Warners Green Day were supposed to play a show. The police were out in force, the show never happened and some Sony A&R guy was maced. Logically.

to be fair, just because you're really rich or even elitist doesn't mean you want your president to be elitist.

still not really sure what would make obama any more "elitist" than mccain

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/16/fiorinas-comment-called-biden-like/ --

Asked about that remark on MSNBC, she made the same unprompted assessment of the GOP presidential nominee. "I don't think John McCain could run a major corporation."

To be fair, neither could she.

Nate Silver on why Obama's campaign should reach out to the "Perot voter":

http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/08/26/one-person-focus-group-the-ross-perot-voter.aspx

Nate Silver could try talking to my mom for his Perot voter needs.

LFdR pic: "Thanks to Dr Sebagh, I feel ten years younger - and nothing whatsoever on my forehead!"

Obama's new 2-minute commercial on the economy sounds like a step in the right direction

who is this for though? the undecided low-info voter who is gonna sit still for two minutes and really pay attention to a political ad?

not saying it's all bad, I'm sure it will generate news coverage. but they should make some 30-second spots that will actually air. maybe they're already doing that.

That's why I said it's a step in the right direction. Perhaps a 2-minute commercial might catch some people's attention, and convey an impression of substance. But on the other hand, it's somewhat indicative of Obama's struggle to condense his economic message to a few punchy sound-bites. I remain hopeful that he'll boil his message down to something effective that can be conveyed in 30 seconds.