Postmodernism breaks my heart, it's architecture's loss of innocence. Before that there had always been a utopian bent to the profession - even if the buildings were failures there was at least a continual hope and search for a better way to do things and a desire to lift society. Postmodernism purposefully stepped away from that in the face of modernism's defeat and didn't aspire to anything greater than a series of classical reference punchlines without the dignity of proportion. The buildings were never going to be awesomely beautiful because they weren't even trying to be, which is sad. I love beaux arts neoclassicism because it was at least made with a real BELIEF in classicism, I don't think postmodernists believed in anything.
― I'M ACTUALLY FINE (I DIED), Saturday, 3 January 2009 16:39 (5 years ago) Permalink
Hrm, well, I think that varies a bit...one thread of postmodernism was certainly the "Collage City"/Jane Jacobs line (that eventually leads to new urbanism) where there's an active project of trying to save the city, move away from the monumental and embrace the fabric - that seems like a project with social ambition to me. Or in the Bofill posted above, maybe those images don't quite get it across but there was a clear desire to give "palaces to the people," quoting history specifically to create something that the residents would recognize as grand and honorific.
― Doctor Casino, Saturday, 3 January 2009 17:39 (5 years ago) Permalink
I used to think that the only thing unifying about postmodernist thought (or the only thing postmodernists "believe in") is a rejection of enlightenment ideals, but that's obviously glossing over a lot. For me, it is easy to view Modernism as truly beautiful as applied to one building, but equally as easy to view it as one-note as an archtectural movement, and even potentially oppressive. One manifestation of post-modernism's "social concern" (lol) would be multivalence, and the presentation of a variety (I was going to say "of aesthetic sensibilities", but I think "variety" is enough).
― rox qua rox (roxymuzak), Saturday, 3 January 2009 21:37 (5 years ago) Permalink
Yes - and then you have even more severe examples like Lucien Kroll (I think it's Kroll) where the architect's office has an open door, serving soda to the people who are going to live in the building and inviting them to make design decisions. Or Leon Krier, who believed that industrial building practice was so dehumanizing that it was better not to build, so as to avoid participating in the alienation of the worker. Postmodernism was a big umbrella, for a while there - I mean if you read an early edition of Jencks's Language of Post-Modern Architecture it really seems exciting. By the fifth or sixth edition all the photos look like the late Graves and the jig is up.
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 5 January 2009 02:33 (5 years ago) Permalink
Oh, and I finally posted my pics of WORKac's Public Farm 1. On the previous thread, I wrote:
"re: P.F.1 - Yeah, it was great - particularly in light of the kind of stuff that typically wins. They seem to feel that the committee or jury or whoever realized they were getting really tired of atmospheric projects. "We could have won last year, but not ten years ago." It was refreshing to me as a living example of Dutch-ness here on our shores (they both worked at OMA) by architects young enough that you could imagine "hey, that could be me!" So that's always going to be encouraging. But I also loved how much it was filled in with fun little gimmicks and gizmos - the periscope, the audio and video of working farms, the chicken coop...it was cool."
Extended, archi-nerd ramblings here.
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 5 January 2009 02:37 (5 years ago) Permalink
Jencks's Language of Post-Modern Architecture
This is what got me into architecture in the first place!
― roxymuzak, Monday, 5 January 2009 02:51 (5 years ago) Permalink
Haha! Just read it last year after it seemed to keep coming up. Good stuff, I read a later-ish edition that was starting to really drag by the end though. Needed a fresh edit I think, got repetitious, but as a showcase of just neat stuff and ideas the first half is essential. The "Death of Modern Architecture" chapter is classic.
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 5 January 2009 02:53 (5 years ago) Permalink
I still remember where I was when I read that.
― roxymuzak, Monday, 5 January 2009 02:55 (5 years ago) Permalink
...don't leave us hanging!
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 5 January 2009 02:56 (5 years ago) Permalink
Well, it's not exciting in re: this thread, but I was in Nashville sitting on a couch at Douglas Corners waiting to go play a show. It's just a vivid memory because I enjoyed the reading so much.
― roxymuzak, Monday, 5 January 2009 02:59 (5 years ago) Permalink
Know just what you mean - although in these grad school years there's pretty much one of three places I'm ever reading anything.
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 5 January 2009 03:02 (5 years ago) Permalink
i got the other thread locked, i hope no one objects to this? i think it's just confusing having 2 threads being revived and it's more of a rolling discussion thread at this point so it makes sense. if you do i'm sure we can get it reopened.
last post on the previous thread was hyggeligt helpfully linking us to SpaceInvading
thanks for that, it's actually a great link and saves quite a bit of trawling around various different blogs although it still has links to those blogs for more description, which is cool.
― jed_, Thursday, 15 January 2009 01:17 (5 years ago) Permalink
Sou Fujimoto Architects' Wooden House. love it or hate it, you've never seen anything like it.
― jed_, Thursday, 15 January 2009 01:23 (5 years ago) Permalink
― jed_, Thursday, 15 January 2009 01:26 (5 years ago) Permalink
I think anybody who ever had blocks as a kid has seen something like it.
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 15 January 2009 01:26 (5 years ago) Permalink
ha, i was just about to add a similar caveat.
― jed_, Thursday, 15 January 2009 01:28 (5 years ago) Permalink
BLOOMFRAME®The BLOOMFRAME® breaks out of the 2-dimensional facade to add to the usable space in this innovative design by Hofman Dujardin Architects.
prototype that is expected to go into actual production early this year:
Bloomframe® is an innovative window frame that can be transformed into a balcony allowing an increase in usable space with minimal intervention.
Bloomframe® offers the user a flexible living environment. By opening the window frame, it is possible to walk out through the facade and to enjoy a comfortable balcony. The dynamic balcony enables adding outdoor space to compact apartments in urban high-rise areas.
The Bloomframe® balcony can be operated automatically with a simple push of the button. The system includes provisions to guarantee collapse safety during opening and closing.
The drive consists of an rpm-controlled electric motor that operates the balcony at two points via an auto-braking reduction (drop safety). The movement is transferred by tie rods from these linear guides.
The fully open position is limited mechanically, which guarantees optimum safety of the converted balcony. The application of a combined powered/mechanical movement makes the system user-friendly and easy to open and close for everyone.
― jed_, Thursday, 15 January 2009 01:34 (5 years ago) Permalink
I don't think I really understand the Bloomframe? It creates a not very attractive half-window when closed and doesn't seem to offer any advantages over a regular building other than potentially animating the building facade more - and you have to keep your patio furniture inside when you're not using it. I think I'd like it more with a glass bottom panel since it'll be up 80% of the time.
― Tina Fey's narrative bonsai (I DIED), Thursday, 15 January 2009 01:49 (5 years ago) Permalink
SpaceInvading is one of my favorite things about 2009
I'm glad so many designers are doing these weird 3D circulation intensive tiny houses/follies, but I'd sure like to see some upholstery in them or at least first aid kits for the inevitable bloody heads.
― Tina Fey's narrative bonsai (I DIED), Thursday, 15 January 2009 01:52 (5 years ago) Permalink
bloomframe would be cooler if the patio furniture folded out with it, like a pop-up book.
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 15 January 2009 01:53 (5 years ago) Permalink
I'd like that! Or if the patio furniture was permanently secured to it so it stuck out from the inside wall of your house when closed.
― Tina Fey's narrative bonsai (I DIED), Thursday, 15 January 2009 01:56 (5 years ago) Permalink
and if it wasn't the color of an HVAC component.
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 15 January 2009 01:56 (5 years ago) Permalink
haha yeah it looks like a big access panel.
― Tina Fey's narrative bonsai (I DIED), Thursday, 15 January 2009 01:57 (5 years ago) Permalink
well, i love it. obviously it doesn't have to be khaki/grey, it can be any colour, i would imagine. the bottom half could possibly be glass but people have vertigo. white steel is fine by me. also you just sit on a chair that you have in your lounge, or whatever. i wouldn't imagine you would have specific furniture for it unless it was some cheap folding deck chair you could keep in a cupboard?
― jed_, Thursday, 15 January 2009 02:21 (5 years ago) Permalink
I'm getting one
― cozwn, Thursday, 15 January 2009 02:24 (5 years ago) Permalink
me too, on m4ryhi11 road end.
― jed_, Thursday, 15 January 2009 02:26 (5 years ago) Permalink
Yay new thread!
Doctor Casino, though you are a medical man with a gambling problem so far as I can tell from login name, I do like your flickr. It has been very good recently.
Which edition is the better one to start with? Is this book the same one under a different name?
I like the Bloomframe! I think it could be a real boon to new apartments. I loathe buildings like the blocky ones upthread. They are just grotesque monoliths hammering the pedestrian down with sheer BLOCK COLOURS. Just awful.
― hyggeligt, Thursday, 15 January 2009 10:30 (5 years ago) Permalink
looking at going on a solo field trip in march. probably europe. have been thinking of istanbul but that's just because I'd like to go there. where would you go? for like six days or so. money is an object but where would you go?
― conrad, Thursday, 15 January 2009 13:38 (5 years ago) Permalink
Where to begin! I've only really done Western Europe (no further east than Vienna) and with huge swaths of untouched territory in there. My gut says you kind of can't screw it up in terms of travel, life experience, food, all that kind of stuff - are you trying to see the maximum amount of architecture possible or just have a great trip where you also see some fab buildings?
hyggeligt - thanks! It'll be dormant again for a while, I am now entering my last studio at school and am busy, plus obviously not traveling.
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 15 January 2009 14:05 (5 years ago) Permalink
re: That 2002 Jencks - it certainly SOUNDS like a revised edition of the original - Now rewritten and with two new chapters, the seventh edition brings the history up to date with the latest twists in the narrative, and the turn to a new complexity in architecture. Rewritten with new chapters didn't really serve the previous editions all that well - just started to feel aimless and tacked-on-to. But enough time had passed that I could imagine the 2002 volume being interesting, and I appreciate anything that calls out and explores the fundamentally postmodern qualities of 90s computer projects (Greg Lynn et al). Dunno... haven't read the new bits so I dunno if it's worth it or not.
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 15 January 2009 14:08 (5 years ago) Permalink
Is okay, jealousy at fancy locations was eating in to my soul anyway. Could do with the spiritual break! (xpost)
Thanks for that Dr Cas, will chance it and see when I'm flush.
― hyggeligt, Thursday, 15 January 2009 14:10 (5 years ago) Permalink
I should have said - have been to budapest, vienna, brno, prague, zurich, basel, madrid, barcelona, rome, florence, naples, berlin, munich, paris, krakow, amsterdam, rotterdam, brussels and others and places in between like leon in spain and vals in switzerland etc. and some UK stuff (I'm in scotland)
so, having never been up to copenhagen/oslo/stockholm/gothenberg/helsinki/tallinn/riga...I'm interested but don't have a ready idea of what's the best destination. not limited to europe other than in terms of the money issue
was looking at v cheap flights to oslo but hostels there seem on the expensive side. cheap flights and accommodation for gdansk but...I don't know if there's that much to see and can't seem to find good info
great trip w/ fab buildings would be fine but as much architecture as poss would be more justifiable in a way
― conrad, Thursday, 15 January 2009 14:33 (5 years ago) Permalink
that's a lot of places. are you in glasgow?
i hear Lisbon is lovely (and cheap on easyjet)
― jed_, Thursday, 15 January 2009 14:36 (5 years ago) Permalink
what about croatia? supposed to be gorgeous.
― jed_, Thursday, 15 January 2009 14:39 (5 years ago) Permalink
in glasgow yes (I mentioned conrad to you at a party on new years morning but it was early and late so I don't blame you for forgetting!)
had thought about lisbon and about porto too but was looking for something direct hoping to minimise cost and travel time
I should have found a better thread to ask this stuff as I obviously haven't been thinking about enough architects
― conrad, Thursday, 15 January 2009 14:56 (5 years ago) Permalink
I love the Bloomframe and I would sit in a Panton chair in it.
― Sickamous Mouthall (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 15 January 2009 14:59 (5 years ago) Permalink
ah yes, i remember conrad.
― jed_, Thursday, 15 January 2009 15:02 (5 years ago) Permalink
venice yeah, go there. march is a good time to go, i think. i want to go back because i was only there for a day and a half but i loved it.
marseille i remember being quite rough but it's good to go and see the unité.
― jed_, Thursday, 15 January 2009 15:06 (5 years ago) Permalink
I would say Copenhagen is well worth the visit!
― hyggeligt, Thursday, 15 January 2009 15:07 (5 years ago) Permalink
Copenhagen is rich with stuff - see the Flickr stream and sets of user seier_seier_seier. Really interested in going myself. Here's an email seier wrote me when I was considering a trip:
difficult question, copenhagen in two days...
copenhagen is pretty expensive (as is the rest of scandinavia) especially when coming from the u.s., so I'll recommend you a youth hostel which opened recently in a central office tower (not a tower by american standards, but by danish...you'll see).
the same site mentions an even more central hostel opening in april. might be worth checking out:
helsinki and stockholm has some OK hostels too, I would look for the hostel in the olympic stadium in helsinki and the hostel on an old boat in stockholm, if I were you.
stockholm, btw, is my favourite city in scandinavia - it is beautiful, has great nature, landscape, architecture, and wom...its a nice place.
now, what to see....if the weather is good, I would go for places rather than buildings, in bad weather (of which we have plenty) vice versa...
places to see would be:
strandvejen north of copenhagen, the coastal road leading through the well off suburbs to the north, great on a summers day, will take you past lots of fine sites, including good buildings like arne jacobsen in klampenborg:
and utzon's related housing projects in fredensborg and elsinore:
there is a fine renaissance castle in elsinore which inspired shakespeare a few years ago...can't miss it.
the louisiana museum of modern art in humlebæk is a hugely influential building from the fifties, taking the formal out of the museum and putting in nature instead. lots of contemporary architects has named this building as an inspiration, including nouvel, foster and herzog + de meuron.
oh, hang on, from elsinore the thing to do would be to take the ferry to sweden (30 minutes) and drive to klippan to see the lewerentz church
now, that's a whole day in a rented car, so maybe you'll prefer to stay in the city...
there's christiania free town, www.flickr.com/photos/seier/1244185274/in/set-72157603843053592/, a good place to see in the evening, food and bars and a very different street scene.
should the sun shine, the island of amager, formerly known as the ass hole of copenhagen, is seeing some very interesting change these years...on a sunny afternoon, former working class and industrial neighbourhood "islands brygge" is full of young copenhageners sunbathing and swimming in the habour. it is really lively and some of the gir...MVRDV has one of their best buildings nearby:
further east, on the amager coast facing sweden, is another interesting industrial area undergoing radical change. surrounded by large scale infrastructure like a wind mill park, the airport and the bridge to sweden is a new beach, a huge piece of landscaping very popular with the locals already.
and there's the old town, of course, lots of cafés and shops and the odd arne jacobsen building...
if you are just going for the buildings, I would not miss:
- the foyer of the national bank, arne jacobsen 1961-1978. central copenhagen.- bagsværd church, utzon. 20 minutes by train from copenhagen.- klippan church, klippan, sweden. about 2 hours by train, I think.
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 15 January 2009 17:30 (5 years ago) Permalink
thanks for that - going to weigh up copenhagen further but it would involve two flights. venice seems like the right choice for a lot of reasons and might be possible w/ some juggling but oslo currently £11 return for four nights is going to be hard to beat even though a cheap hostel has yet to make itself known
― conrad, Thursday, 15 January 2009 17:51 (5 years ago) Permalink
Very true. Try and end up at Ordrupgaard. Recently reopened with new wing. Bakken in the Dyrhaven nearby is trippy and good fun (I also think it might be the world's oldest fairground, I spent far too much time there growing up as it was free in unlike Tivoli).
Merely a legend alas. The crown jewels are there so well worth a look.
Yes. Avoid visiting if there's a rehang because the permanent collection isn't huge for the trip involved. Another good gallery is the Glyptotek near Radhuspladset. Carlsberg money built and filled it. Lovely stuff.
Sadly not any more. They've closed down the drug stalls on pusher street and basically developers are moving in. Very sad now. I was there recently and was followed by four police officers. I am obviously sketchy looking.
A harbour tour is also a good idea. That way you get to see the Black Diamon of the royal library from the water and get closer to the new opera house. Rosenborg slot is a baroque palace in the centre of town near Norreport. It was one of Christian IV's vanity projects and well worth seeing.
Check his shots of Venice for more inspiration Conrad. Again, thanks to Doctor Casino I have been following for the past few months. It is a great stream!
― hyggeligt, Thursday, 15 January 2009 20:40 (5 years ago) Permalink
I have some Venice and surroundings here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/doctorcasino/sets/72157601373054872/
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 15 January 2009 21:17 (5 years ago) Permalink
this is my favorite thing in the world at the moment:
by Levitate Architects
― jed_, Friday, 16 January 2009 14:58 (5 years ago) Permalink
haha I thought that first shot was an elevation and was like "whaaaaaaat?"
That design is a really fantastic thing.
― Tina Fey's narrative bonsai (I DIED), Friday, 16 January 2009 15:02 (5 years ago) Permalink
haha, did the same thing!
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 16 January 2009 15:09 (5 years ago) Permalink
that stairbookcase is insanely beautiful: the top image reminds me of this mad dream i used to have as a child about a rabbit-warren library with walls made of earth ane books.
― king lame (c sharp major), Friday, 16 January 2009 15:32 (5 years ago) Permalink
i posted that stairbookcase to the What do your books look like? thread on ILB and stet said:
That looks great, but is functionally crap: you'll kick dirt into the books as you climb, and the ones at eye level are furthest from your eyes.
which kinda boggled me.
― jed_, Friday, 16 January 2009 15:43 (5 years ago) Permalink
well yeah but it's more of a limited space solution than it is a most perfectly accessible behind glass eye level book collection solution.
― Tina Fey's narrative bonsai (I DIED), Friday, 16 January 2009 15:58 (5 years ago) Permalink
all the DS+R / Williams & Tsien drama is HILARIOUS btw
― Sadly, 99.99 percent of sheeple will never wake up (I DIED), Monday, 20 January 2014 15:35 (6 months ago) Permalink
I think the main reason to go during that week is that there are tours of the inside of some homes that are normally not open to the public?
― mh, Monday, 20 January 2014 15:39 (6 months ago) Permalink
re: Folk Art, the whole thing is really awful. Really sad to see DS+R just happily parroting the clients' line that the Folk Art Museum's interior was so 'quirky' that it could not be adapted into anything, no way no how... and people who should know better acquiescing to the desperate claim that if you could just save the facade, you'd be saving the building. I mean, that is just not an architect talking. Annoyed that this will also now become the stock narrative around the building, which had a fabulous interior section, a real jewelbox of steppy levels. Yeah, it would have been tricky to make it a 'wing' of MOMA, but there's no reason it should have been written off as impossible.
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 20 January 2014 15:42 (6 months ago) Permalink
Between Folk Art, MoMA, and the Barnes it just shows that both firms care a lot more about their own commissions more than any kind of broader artistic or cultural good. Which is fine, but at that point just admit there's no real line between firms getting big artistic commissions and the RTKLs of the world.
― Sadly, 99.99 percent of sheeple will never wake up (I DIED), Monday, 20 January 2014 15:55 (6 months ago) Permalink
Also I think Folk Art was a fascinating space that showed Williams and Tsien didn't give a fuck about their client.
― Sadly, 99.99 percent of sheeple will never wake up (I DIED), Monday, 20 January 2014 15:57 (6 months ago) Permalink
Hrmm. I thought it served the objects very well, but do you mean just in terms of running up a huge bill? I dunno. Would love to be able to visit it one last time and re-judge, I only got to see it once.
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 20 January 2014 16:01 (6 months ago) Permalink
I think it served the objects well but was really inefficient in the way galleries and circulation worked, which limited how the collection was shown. Sure the site was touch but part of the architect's responsibility is to say "you're going to go broke building something that won't work very well as a museum."
The facade is beautiful but could have been a part of any project - I don't think it served the museum well (and neither do Williams & Tsien, from later interviews!) and it says something about the museum that 90% of the photos online are of the facade and not the collection, galleries, or interior.
― Sadly, 99.99 percent of sheeple will never wake up (I DIED), Monday, 20 January 2014 16:18 (6 months ago) Permalink
completed project! finally got good photos of a building/restaurant I finished last year:
― Sadly, 99.99 percent of sheeple will never wake up (I DIED), Tuesday, 21 January 2014 22:31 (6 months ago) Permalink
are the cutout designs on the front advertising free wifi?
kidding, really like it. the lighting (the actual fixtures, that is) looks cool
― mh, Tuesday, 21 January 2014 22:39 (6 months ago) Permalink
all the lights over the bar are 1970s dutch and german ceramic shades, having an electrician who can rewire anything is invaluable
― Sadly, 99.99 percent of sheeple will never wake up (I DIED), Friday, 24 January 2014 17:10 (6 months ago) Permalink
oh that looks lovely, i died. so much wood can be overload but the interiors look terrific.
― mustread guy (schlump), Friday, 24 January 2014 17:49 (6 months ago) Permalink
thanks - we ended up using 5 or 6 different kinds of wood in a variety of oiled/stained/painted finishes to keep it interesting
― Sadly, 99.99 percent of sheeple will never wake up (I DIED), Friday, 24 January 2014 18:04 (6 months ago) Permalink
i ate there when i was in DC! on the lower level. delicious ramen, really cool space, and i loved the exterior metal cutouts
― hug niceman (psychgawsple), Friday, 24 January 2014 18:14 (6 months ago) Permalink
Wow, great work, I DIED! Keep 'em coming I say!
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 01:42 (5 months ago) Permalink
re: Williams and Tsien, I think it's a fair point, that they may have been irresponsible as architects. One of my professors summarized it yesterday as, it was a modest institution and they did not provide them with a modest building. And I think that's a criticism well-taken, but... that institution no longer occupies the building, and I feel like MOMA's decision to demolish or not demolish it could be discussed on its own terms. To me it first of all reads as a huge missed opportunity (they could do really cool stuff with it - or even make it the centerpiece of their ensemble, since they actually don't have an iconic facade, not really).
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 01:45 (5 months ago) Permalink
was in the Viking Art programme on tv yesterday.
there are bigger examples of stave churches but i like the concise blackness of the one in Urnes
― koogs, Sunday, 16 March 2014 12:37 (4 months ago) Permalink
Wow, yes please.
― Doctor Casino, Sunday, 16 March 2014 14:34 (4 months ago) Permalink
was one of the churches allegedly burnt down by black metallers.
― koogs, Monday, 17 March 2014 12:18 (4 months ago) Permalink
I love looking at and thinking about those.
― an enormous bolus of flatulence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 17 March 2014 16:03 (4 months ago) Permalink
Hadid's office really doubling down in the asshole stakes: http://www.dezeen.com/2014/03/18/architecture-not-art-patrik-schumacher-venice-architecturebiennale-rant/
― Sadly, 99.99 percent of sheeple will never wake up (I DIED), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 16:42 (4 months ago) Permalink
saw him once on a panel his every utterance was either cipherful or inane
― conrad, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 17:20 (4 months ago) Permalink
(i love that that page has "Latest Staircases" rather than, say, sideboob or cellulite.)
― koogs, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 17:22 (4 months ago) Permalink
((oh, spoke too soon))
― koogs, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 17:29 (4 months ago) Permalink
major fire at Charles Rennie Mackintosh's Glasgow School of Art :(
― Sadly, 99.99 percent of sheeple will never wake up (I DIED), Friday, 23 May 2014 13:20 (2 months ago) Permalink
Ughhhhhh. That is really depressing. Majority of the building (including archives) is apparently okay - but the library,the one absolute must-see that I've been saving for some future trip to Scotland, is completely destroyed.
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 26 May 2014 14:09 (1 month ago) Permalink