I always knew David Brooks was an asshole ....

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Even in cases where people consciously register some offense, they still often don’t intervene. In research done at Penn State and published in 1999, students were asked if they would make a stink if someone made a sexist remark in their presence. Half said yes. When researchers arranged for that to happen, only 16 percent protested.

In another experiment at a different school, 68 percent of students insisted they would refuse to answer if they were asked offensive questions during a job interview. But none actually objected when asked questions like, “Do you think it is appropriate for women to wear bras to work?”

because when someone makes a sexist comment a child gets raped

ice cr?m, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 14:05 (twelve years ago) link

i wouldve stopped genocides and hypothetical generic events that threaten my own physical well being but i didnt want to harsh the good vibes

ice cr?m, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 14:06 (twelve years ago) link

The Kitty Genovese case from the ’60s is mostly apocryphal, but hundreds of other cases are not.

there is a famously untrue story, dont u feel guilty now

ice cr?m, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 14:08 (twelve years ago) link

In centuries past, people built moral systems that acknowledged this weakness. These systems emphasized our sinfulness. They reminded people of the evil within themselves. Life was seen as an inner struggle against the selfish forces inside. These vocabularies made people aware of how their weaknesses manifested themselves and how to exercise discipline over them. These systems gave people categories with which to process savagery and scripts to follow when they confronted it. They helped people make moral judgments and hold people responsible amidst our frailties.

a time when nothing bad ever happened surely, like... THE HOLOCAUST

ice cr?m, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 14:09 (twelve years ago) link

That was the proper question after Abu Ghraib, Madoff, the Wall Street follies and a thousand other scandals. But it’s a question this society has a hard time asking because the most seductive evasion is the one that leads us to deny the underside of our own nature.

dood all these things were allowed to happen because people in power had a vested interest in having them happen, not because some guy thought he was wonderful

ice cr?m, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 14:10 (twelve years ago) link

These systems emphasized our sinfulness. They reminded people of the evil within themselves. Life was seen as an inner struggle against the selfish forces inside.

yeah this was really awesome everyone felt frightened guilty and miserable all the time! if only we could bring that back!

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 14:11 (twelve years ago) link

His analogies don't clarify the context, and while a few of the examples he mentions are true, they don't justify his larger point. Maybe he should go back to his defense of protecting the 1 %, and justifying entitlement cuts. Oy.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 14:12 (twelve years ago) link

but people brimming terrified self loathing never do anything bad!

ice cr?m, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 14:12 (twelve years ago) link

guys why did i just start arguing on facebook with somebody who endorsed this column? why?

― horseshoe, Wednesday, November 16, 2011 1:06 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

naw i fully support calling people on such obvs bullshit, otherwise youre as bad as hitler

ice cr?m, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 14:13 (twelve years ago) link

You're endorsing your inner wonderfulness.

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 14:14 (twelve years ago) link

he has a point though. if i saw david brooks being beaten on a street in an american neighborhood i would do nothing to intervene.

Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 14:18 (twelve years ago) link

tbf that is something that happens nearly every day in our post moral society

ice cr?m, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 14:19 (twelve years ago) link

if he was being genocided i would try to talk them down to a street beating.

Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 14:21 (twelve years ago) link

lol berto

max, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 15:17 (twelve years ago) link

my facebook argument turned out to be quite civil, but i don't understand conservatives, basically.

horseshoe, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 15:38 (twelve years ago) link

Oh hs I nearly bopped a couple of people yesterday, and it wasn't even about David Brooks. I just don't understand how people can be the way they are at all.

It means why you gotta be a montague? (Laurel), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 15:47 (twelve years ago) link

i guess i don't even understand why she's still a conservative. she's a smart woman! she does have this very individual-oriented understanding of everything, though. her response to the Penn State scandal is despair at everyone's moral turpitude, basically. it just seems like a weird and off-base reaction to me.

horseshoe, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 15:52 (twelve years ago) link

conservatives! weirdos!

horseshoe, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 15:53 (twelve years ago) link

not believing theres such thing as society!

ice cr?m, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 15:53 (twelve years ago) link

this just in: DAVID BROOKS IS STILL AN ASSHOLE.

scott seward, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 15:55 (twelve years ago) link

right? or power? i suspect she also really liked brooks's ows parody whatever the shit that was but i don't even want to get into that with her.

xp scott otm fuck that dude

horseshoe, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 15:56 (twelve years ago) link

Foreign tourists are coming up to me on the streets and asking, “David, you have so many different kinds of inequality in your country. How can I tell which are socially acceptable and which are not?”

if foreign tourists are seeking out david brooks for social guidance, our country is in worse condition that i could have ever feared

i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 15:58 (twelve years ago) link

but really i am just laughing at how bad and unwieldy and ridiculous the set-up is

this guy is supposed to be a writer

i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 16:01 (twelve years ago) link

i say this every time david brooks comes up but the amazing thing about him imo is that he is clearly not very bright! and not just in a "i never agree with this guy" way--he is a shallow and lousy critical thinker!

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 16:14 (twelve years ago) link

i know i always feel like his entire career is trolling America. this guy has a column in the nyt?

horseshoe, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 16:14 (twelve years ago) link

lol @ the concept of foreign tourists approaching david brooks and asking “David, you have so many different kinds of inequality in your country. How can I tell which are socially acceptable and which are not?”

i mean obvs this never happened, guy should be fired for making stupid things up

ice cr?m, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 16:32 (twelve years ago) link

it's kind of some sad self-fanfic where he imagines he is known enough to be instantly recognized by "foreign tourists"

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 16:38 (twelve years ago) link

it fits w/ my image of him as thomas friedman's little brother

iatee, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 16:38 (twelve years ago) link

In centuries past, people built moral systems that acknowledged this weakness. These systems emphasized our sinfulness. They reminded people of the evil within themselves. Life was seen as an inner struggle against the selfish forces inside. These vocabularies made people aware of how their weaknesses manifested themselves and how to exercise discipline over them. These systems gave people categories with which to process savagery and scripts to follow when they confronted it. They helped people make moral judgments and hold people responsible amidst our frailties.

http://www.corwith-wesley.k12.ia.us/WebPage09/Scott/ArchieEdith.jpg

i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 17:49 (twelve years ago) link

that sentiment is so stupid i cannot even stand it

i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 17:54 (twelve years ago) link

the insidious thing about him is that bland geniality. especially on t.v. you can be lulled (to sleep) into thinking that he is being really reasonable and commonsensical until you wake up and actually listen and realize that he's a complete idiot. its easier to see in print obviously. i'm sure there are plenty of non-repubs who watch him on pbs and think that he's the kindler gentler conservative thst they kinda agree with sometimes. cuz in their heart of hearts they do think that people should just work harder and pull themselves up by their bootstraps and all that. he's still on pbs right? #nocablejustnetflix

scott seward, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 18:00 (twelve years ago) link

"kinder"

scott seward, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 18:01 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah, Brooks is right, you'd never see that kind of white-washing and looking the other way in an organization based on traditional religious values.

xxp

o. nate, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 18:01 (twelve years ago) link

moral systems that emphasize our sinfulness like, for example, catholicism

i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 18:08 (twelve years ago) link

he typically softens his conservatism using the shittiest of fluff psychology out there which makes it even more unappealing to me.

ain't nothing nice (bnw), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 18:14 (twelve years ago) link

he has a point though. if i saw david brooks being beaten on a street in an american neighborhood i would do nothing to intervene.

^^^

The Uncanny Frankie Valley (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 18:16 (twelve years ago) link

You guys aren't being honest with yourselves. Everyone knows that if they saw David Brooks being beaten they'd join in.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 18:18 (twelve years ago) link

how has mark shields never once just slapped the hell out of david brooks on air

ice cr?m, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 18:23 (twelve years ago) link

all thats enough from you for now son

ice cr?m, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 18:23 (twelve years ago) link

this is something i would like to see

ice cr?m, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 18:23 (twelve years ago) link

would pay $$ to watch brooks grab mark shield's monstrous jowls and swing from them like a pundit monkey

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 18:23 (twelve years ago) link

hey now

ice cr?m, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 18:27 (twelve years ago) link

what happens when pundits stop being polite and GET REAL

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 18:28 (twelve years ago) link

Online you can find videos of savage beatings, with dozens of people watching blandly.

i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 18:30 (twelve years ago) link

mark shield's monstrous jowls

i can't watch this guy anymore which is all for the best anyway

buzza, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 18:30 (twelve years ago) link

david brooks is so dumb he misuses simple adverbs.

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 18:31 (twelve years ago) link

I wonder what other kinds of videos david brooks can find online

The Uncanny Frankie Valley (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 18:33 (twelve years ago) link

No results found for "David Brooks beaten" youtube.

:(

The Uncanny Frankie Valley (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 18:33 (twelve years ago) link

pretty sure david brooks is our nation's highest authority on giving bland assent to horrible moral outrages

i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 18:36 (twelve years ago) link

why can't people just be NICE? why can't football just be football like it was in my day with the sadie hawkins day dance right around the corner and the gang playing grabass on the quad and the frat brothers wielding their paddles with a gentle urgency...

scott seward, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 18:47 (twelve years ago) link


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