rolling US charts 2008/talk about "pop" here

But if you don't have any parameters what is the point of a Rolling Thread?

it's true that there's a lot of major label pop that never actually charts on the Hot 100 or really any other Billboard chart. I don't think anyone will call foul if that stuff gets brought up in a "rolling US charts" thread, though.

idk then, ppl can talk about whatever they want. i'm sure this thread's identity will be self-evident by feb or so. i'd prefer more talk about music than chart position, i just put chart position in the thread title bcuz we talked about pop on the 07 charts thread.

i brought up panda bear and vampire weekend bcuz they could be rightfully classified as pop, but for this thread i was thinking more towards, major-label pop/rock/rap that charts in the hot 100 or may chart in the top 100. a too broad rolling thread would just be the same as ILM w/ posts acting as new threads.

xp Rolling Threads figure out their "point" by the discussion building momentum, not by shutting themselves off to discussion from the gitgo; the best ones (Rolling Teenpop '06, Rolling Country '07) have never bothered to set parameters, and it made the discussion on them more interesting; people can figure out parameters (and ignore them at will, when it makes sense to do so) as they go.

^i guess this makes sense

Existence before essence, baby.

I don't think saying "we're going to limit this to music that could potentially appear on the billboard top 100" classifies as "shutting the thread off to discussion". It is a fairly vaired and wide-range category, there are threads about Vampire Weekend all over...

that sean kingston song is good.

xp Why do people think Vampire Weekend couldn't potentially appear on the Billboard Hot 100? (All they'd need these days is an iTunes ad. And I assume you mean the single; I'll be surprised if the album doesn't enter in the top half of the Billboard 200. Release date is Jan 29, right? So it's up against Simple Plan and Willie Nelson, I guess, and what else? Cheb I Sabbah?? I'm probably missing some important releases there, but it could easily top the Heatseekers chart, if nothing else.)

i agree w/chuck. prob is some people have this platonic idea of genres and categories.

and theres been enough threads on that.

thread closed on account of too much hand wringing

we'll try again in 2009!

I think ILM would be well served to have a rolling pop thread without the words "US" or "charts" in it...the US charts seems to suffer from a sad lack of proper pop these days anyhow.

Can I say how much I hate the phrase "proper pop"? Not saying you are, but a lot of people tend to use it as a convenient stand-in for "white". And I don't think anyone was trying to restrict this to "proper pop", anyway.

nothing scares me off a thread more than meta "but WHY NOT this?" blather. Bring up random shit, but please stop bringing up BRINGING UP random shit.

"Paralyzer" gives me hope that Electric Six could still someday have a crossover hit. That's basically what I like about it.

which rapper has the best questionably masculine handle on the charts right now: Flo Rida, Baby Bash or Plies? If only Soulja Boy spelled it Boi.

I think that everyone has their own meaning for "proper pop"...mine is any pop but teenpop, but YMMV, etc.

Vibe: "Plies is an interesting name for a rapper, how did you get that nickname?"

Plies: "Plies is a tool, You can use it to put the squeeze on things, like I'm doing to these niggas in the rap game. I got the squeeze on them real tight, they feeling the pressure, or you can use it to pull things out. I pull out all the bullshit and keep the real you feel me? It also a word you can use in terms of things goin' on in yo life, ya dig. You may hear something I say and say that it plies to me. Plies straight to me."

Vibe: "I've heard of a tool called a Pliers and the term applies."

Plies: "You know what I'm trying to say my nigga, just buy my album, I'm from the South my nigga, we don't learn no grammar. My Album out August 7, 2007, cop three copies each, it's Christmas in July fo' real, ya dig?

Well, at least that leaves the path clear for the inevitable resurgence of interest in Chaka Demus & Pliers following their appearance onstage at the AMAs with Alicia Keys, eh?

Would this be the point to mention that I did a rundown of the US Top 50 from a few weeks ago on my blog? Why not. In summary - kinda impressed by Sugarland and Taylor Swift, kinda going the hell off DJ Khaled.

uuummmmm

WE THE BEST

This is like the fourth straight #1 that I haven't heard prior to it becoming #1. Out of the loop, I guess.

It's partly iTunes and everything making hits rise much faster than they used to, and "Low" in particular kinda came outta nowhere. The last few before that (Alicia, Chris Brown, Soulja Boy) all had a good month or so of mainstream saturation before hitting #1, though.

WHO IS ASIA CRUISE?

( http://www.myspace.com/asiahitz .. those ads have been popping up everywhere for the last few months)

Thought that "Spring Street" on the recent Vanessa Carlton album was the best thing she ever did. Trying to do the mother-daughter continuity thing (a now-I-understand-you-mom song); her lyrics find a way to the obvious, but she's got this beautiful not-quite-a-kid anymore hum in her voice.

Yeah, it baffles me that you put "U.S. charts" in what you intended to be a general pop thread. What's the chance of Stephanie McIntosh or Ewa Farna or Kim-Lian ever charting in the U.S., or Dahv or Katy Rose ever charting anywhere, or Marit Larsen or Ashlee Simpson ever charting again? But then, since I chose not to start a thread, I shouldn't get into this. But also, nothing stopped you from waiting for the discussion to go further rather than unilaterally starting a thread.

But anyway, whether this thread gets interesting depends on whether people inspire themselves to actually say something about the music. But if someone starts a rolling everywhere everything bubblegum and popped thread, I'd take a look.

again, i made this the US charts thread because a. we had good discussion about pop on the us charts thread last year and b. it makes it obvious to people where they can talk about shit like "low" and "paralyzer" and "tattoo" etc. etc.

that said, i could care less what people talk about on here. pop music released in the us? cool? marit larsen? cooler. ppl letting thread titles derail whatever pop they want to talk about are on here are either taking this too seriously or idiotically stubborn.

if you want to talk about dahv or katy rose or whatever, and other ppl also want to talk about them, i see no reason why it can't be discussed here. if people bitch, it's gonna be reactionary anti-teen pop ppl, not anyoen trying to protect the integrity of the "charts" thread.

I think I just realized that the end of the Stylus Singles Jukebox is partially to blame for me not having heard these songs.

xp I consider this thread the 2008 version of the Rolling U.S. Charts thread. The only thing that's changed is that Jordan is letting us know we can talk about pop more broadly in it, too. Which we were kind of doing already last year, anyway.

i'm not exactly sure why ppl feel like their discussions are going to be curtailed here. if anything, combining teenpop crew w/ ppl who listen to broader pop but not teenpop will be a good thing.

Rolling Debutante Bubblegum Teenpop Thread 2008

aaaaaaaanway, i think it's because i'm living in a pretty hispanic-dominated market right now, but i keep hearing this great "calabria 2007" track on the radio (as much as say, "kiss kiss" even) a really great cheap sounding dancehall/reggae thing even though i think it comes from sweden. the beat is just this simple plastic horn loop but it's fire. i think lil jon samples it on new pitbull single.

also really liking the new trey songz. it might have j holiday potential.

new mary j. also growing on me. it sounded really thin to me the first few times i've heard it, but the verses are really great. still wish the hook had a little more too it but whatever. i like really overblown mary like "be without you" better than this but i don't mind hearing this in the car at all.

watched jordin sparks do "tattoo" for one of the networks' new years eve thing, and she was really fucking bland. i didn't watch her season of AI, but i can see why she's has yet to reach superstardom. she seemed really bored and it was just blah. still like the song though.

i can't believe anyone seriously listens to that crap. you've got to have, like, no mind

lol

yeah I liked Jordin on AI, but that was probably due to really thin competition that season. still, i don't get the sense that "Tattoo" or "This Is My Now" or anything else she's recorded really gives her a chance to perform the way she did on the show anyway.

"Just Fine" is my favorite Mary J. single in ages. don't know what I think about "Work That," though. (xpost)

I don't like any of the previous "Calabria" versions I've heard, but this one's alright. I haven't bothered to hear any of the new Pitbull, which is kind of weird of me because I've loved all his stuff in the past.

It's Danish, btw.

ah ok. i can't stress enough how much it's being played on the radio here in miami. also the new trina single which is pretty bug. the chorus sounds like kind of icy techno and verses talk about intimate details of dating wfb. it's really weird. trina sings the hook though and it's not half bad. not that a good look for her though.

haha, I always read "wfb" as "wtf"

3rd soulja boy single that's genuinely funny

I'm still confused about Trina dating William F. Buckley.

"aaaaaaaanway, i think it's because i'm living in a pretty hispanic-dominated market right now, but i keep hearing this great "calabria 2007" track on the radio (as much as say, "kiss kiss" even) a really great cheap sounding dancehall/reggae thing even though i think it comes from sweden. the beat is just this simple plastic horn loop but it's fire. i think lil jon samples it on new pitbull single."

I love the new version of "Calabria" with those hypnotic female dancehall vocals. In Australia this is basically received as house music (which, technically, the track actually is) - there was a rather tiresome bootleg with the vocal from Crystal Waters' house track "Destination Unknown" that remains inescapable on commercial radio.

It reminds me a bit of the dancehall/house fusion that Bob Sinclar's been trying to getoff the ground recently. But I like the idea of it being picked up and misappropriated in the US.

Yeah, but it has the reggaeton "dembow" rhythm, so I imagine it's being recieved as reggaeton here. This coincides with the trend in reggaeton toward faster bpms and a more four-to-the-floor feel.

jordan you should hear some of the other mary j songs on that album that are even better than Just Fine.

the thin thing --> not too much synth on a lot of tracks, but the beats/bass is not thin at ALL. really packs a huge punch.

For comparison:

Nejo & Dalmata, "Algo Musical" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjiPsRQ9-lk
Wisin y Yandel, "Sexy Movimiento" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9oFveyv94E
Tego Calderon, "Quitarte To" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8I4A7VSyhY

xp

"Yeah, but it has the reggaeton "dembow" rhythm, so I imagine it's being recieved as reggaeton here. This coincides with the trend in reggaeton toward faster bpms and a more four-to-the-floor feel."

yeah sorry I meant to make it clear that I can totally see how this would happen - it's partly because of the lack of a proper reggaeton scene that this probably won't happen in australia.

but i keep hearing this great "calabria 2007" track on the radio

My girlfriend heard that on the radio the other day and then made me listen to it on iTunes. It's pretty cool!

jaymc, i have billboard.biz access if you want me to look something up.

I <3 this week's top 10:

1. "Whatever You Like" - T.I. *7 weeks*
2. "Live Your Life" - T.I. feat. Rihanna *airplay gainer*
3. "If I Were A Boy" - Beyoncé
4. "So What" - Pink
5. "Womanizer" - Britney Spears
6. "Hot N Cold" - Katy Perry
7. "Let It Rock'" - Kevin Rudolf feat. Lil Wayne
8. "Miss Independent" - Ne-Yo
9. "Disturbia" - Rihanna
10. "I'm Yours'" - Jason Mraz *sales gainer*

Minus "Miss Independent" though. But even Beyonce's new song is growing on me.

Anyone know of a book or good long article that talks about how the US chart came to be so dominated by rap and R&B?

Oh, thanks, Al. I didn't see this until now, so it's a little late, but if I have another question I'll e-mail you.

"Miss Independent" and "Live Your Life" are the only songs in the top ten I like right now : /

man that is a hilariously awful top 10

miss independent is the best song on there by miles

I kind of hate that the default for pop in '08 is this stompy 4x4 that doesn't have enough syncopation going on above it to feel like house or disco

'whatever you like' is the best, duh

miss independent is the best song on there by miles

It's the best, but I've come around to "Live Your Life."

92 NEW 1 My President, Young Jeezy Featuring Nas 92

XD

haha yeah the other day i noticed that that sneaked into the itunes top 100 and i was all XD

Let It Rock is just tedious.. Def in my 10 worst of this year.

http://i18.tinypic.com/6ki7x3t.jpgLady GaGa feat. Colby O Donnis - "Just Dance"http://i18.tinypic.com/6ki7x3t.jpg

the remix of it is the best...hccr's bambossa mix. not a dramatic mix but punches it up.

G'n'R down from 3 to 18, more a case of 'out of sight out of mind' than 'absence makes the heart grow fonder'.

Colby O'Donis owns that song! I find Lady Gaga's voice irritating...reminds me of the (whiny) girlfriend i never had ;_;

- anyone know why "can't believe it" was the sales gainer this week?

- lady gaga looks certifiably insane
http://media.villagevoice.com/2842152.28.jpg

omg