Scraping Foetus Off The Wheel

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Particularly partial to Baby Zizanie

third uncle (davemotion), Saturday, 7 October 2006 17:13 (seventeen years ago) link

My current ILX nickname is a Foetus tribute, as some of you may have gathered, although I only own just the one album, the latest one. It's absolutely superb from start to finish, the best track probably being either Aladdin Reverse, You Don't Want Me Anymore or Pareidoilia, and the overall effect of dark grandeur is expressed with a bombastic gusto that few artists I've heard recently have been able to measure up to.

Where next? Gash, Flow or Nail?

You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Saturday, 7 October 2006 17:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes, THE INFERNAL INTERNAL REFRAIN

WHEN YOU'RE DESTINED TO LIVE IN A STREET OF SHAME!

oOOH ah, DESTINED, destined to live in a street of shame,

STREET OF SHAME

John Cougar Mellencamp sucks and you know it (Bimble...), Saturday, 7 October 2006 17:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Where next? Gash, Flow or Nail?

Sounds like a good idea, following the discography back in time like that. LOVE is very different from the older albums, and if you follow that order the trip back could be (slightly) easier, I think.

StanM (StanM), Saturday, 7 October 2006 18:30 (seventeen years ago) link

(er.. the flow back in time would be Flow - Gash - Nail, I guess. But Flow's a little more difficult than Gash, so I'm still going with Gash - Flow - Nail as the order in which I'd introduce someone to the albums)

StanM (StanM), Saturday, 7 October 2006 18:33 (seventeen years ago) link

You gotta get Hole before anything else. And possibly the compilation of 12 inchers if you can find it. Hole and Nail are apparently being reissued this month so just get them both.

everything (everything), Sunday, 8 October 2006 05:17 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_52241cMx24

Edward III (edward iii), Sunday, 8 October 2006 15:00 (seventeen years ago) link

ten months pass...

I've probably listened to my 12" of "Wash It All Off" about 3000 times over the years, but today is a great day because I finally heard the original 7" version from 1982. Ha-ha. That is totally off the hook. What a treat. I love him all over again now.

everything, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 00:18 (sixteen years ago) link

Seriously, the period from 84 - 87 when he released not only "Hole" and "Nail" but also "Calamity Crush", "Wash It All Off", "Finely Honed Machine", "Bedrock" and "Ramrod". Just.....whew! Fucking amazing. Absolutely fucking amazing.

everything, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 00:27 (sixteen years ago) link

yup, that was an amazing period. got to add 'motorslug' and 'dirtdish' too.

i couldn't find them at the time but have subsequently and also really love the early records- 'spite your face', 'custom built for capitalism', 'wash it all off' (7"), 'tell me what is the bane of your life', 'deaf' and 'ache'.

i wonder whatever happened to the proposed foetus on the beach triple lp and 2nd f.a.t. 12"?

FORTHCOMING RELEASES ON SELF IMMOLATION/SOME BIZZARE & ASSOCIATED PRODUCT

WOMB FGH 12.8: YOU'VE GOT FOETUS ON YOUR BREATH
"Wash It All Off"/"Today I Started Slogging Again" - 12 45rpm ( Jan '85 )

WOMB UNC12.7 FOETUS UBER FRISCO
"Finely Honed Machine"/"Sick Minutes" - 12" 45rpm ( Jan '85 )

WISEBLOOD ( featuring CLINT RUIN of SFOTW & ROLI MOSIMANN of SWANS )
"Motor-slug"/"Death Rape 2000" ( on K422 ) - 12" 45rpm ( Feb '85 )

"THE FOETUS OF EXCELLENCE" - EMPTY BOX/ T SHIRT ( Feb '85 )

FOETUS ART TERRORISM: 2nd twelve inch - ( Mid '85 )

SCRAPING FOETUS OFF THE WHEEL: 2nd L.P. - ( Mid '85 )

WOMB 6T33: "FOETUS ON THE BEACH" - triple L.P. ( Late '89‡ )

stirmonster, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 01:01 (sixteen years ago) link

all early Foetus rules, yes. the singles are great, both early albums also excellent. Thirsty Ear reissued them on CD some years back.

don't forget the Foetus Of Excellence T-shirt!

sleeve, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 04:57 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah I forgot about the Motorslug 12" - a work of genius, obviously. What a guy!

I have to get those first two albums sometime. I wanted them for years but when they were reissued I'd kind of moved on and it wasn't so urgent anymore. But I'll pick them up someday.

everything, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 06:07 (sixteen years ago) link

ahh motorslug.
but seriously - who can listen to Death Rape 2000 all the way through ? the lead track is just sheer class, but i never manage to make it all the way through the flip.
12" came with a great comic as well ..
agree - this really was an amazing period in Jims career.
the Dirtdish cd version is totally worth tracking down, just for the different versions of Someone drowned in my pool (surely one of the funniest/darkest tracks ever ?), and the genius that was Stumbo.
Ahh the days I used to wear my dayglo orange/pink Savage Pencil Stumbo T-shirt and revel in the disbelieving stares, whereas now its banned to the archive as my wife refuses to be seen out in public with me wearing it.
Naturally, he fell in for the Sony dollar, and things were never quite the same again, though the internet only album Damp seems to have some cracking stuff on it, once i get back into the Foetus mood.

mark e, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 07:29 (sixteen years ago) link

who can listen to Death Rape 2000 all the way through ?

Weah, what a headache. David Gedge once chose it in a list of his favourite records along with Spike Milligan's Tape Recorder by the Membranes so he must have an ear for such things. They even played a little bit of it on the radio.

everything, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 14:19 (sixteen years ago) link

Who knew Dave Gedge liked Foetus!

Alex in NYC, Thursday, 23 August 2007 13:18 (sixteen years ago) link

have to admit my head was spun a little by that fact.

mark e, Thursday, 23 August 2007 13:19 (sixteen years ago) link

I've been on a Foetus kick for the last few days. The timelessness of these recordings is astounding. The absence of band photos or videos, combined with the facts that he's always been difficult to pigeonhole AND the superb quality of the recordings means they could have been released anytime in the last 30 years. Things like "Diabolus in Musica" or "Sick Minutes" sound so contemporary alonside groups like Battles, for instance.

everything, Thursday, 23 August 2007 18:35 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm not surprised David Gedge likes Foetus & the Membranes - apparently the name The Wedding Present was inspired by his being a fan of the Birthday Party.

Colonel Poo, Thursday, 23 August 2007 18:40 (sixteen years ago) link

And the early Weddoes stuff was super-intense too.

Currently listening to Stereoid Maximus's "Gondwanaland". Wild. And GROOVY!

everything, Thursday, 23 August 2007 18:57 (sixteen years ago) link

Along with everybody else, I just fucking LOVE the mid-to-late-80s Foetus stuff. Esp Nail, but the singles and side projex too. Fucking Wiseblood! Amazing music and the lyrics are even better. Stuck in that "confrontational" 80s fake tough guy mode, but still so smart, funny, self-lacerating and perversely joyful. I like how he frames the stereotypical pigfuck tropes as 40s hard-boiled noir. Gives it a big wink and makes the nihilist mutilation angle seem a lot less pretentious. Damn fine producer of other folks' music, too (Boss Hog, etc.).

Bob Standard, Thursday, 23 August 2007 19:09 (sixteen years ago) link

my sister found out she lives in his old house! a pale youth was standin outside the front door looking overinterestedly at her windows and she said "wtf dude" and he explained

mark s, Saturday, 25 August 2007 19:24 (sixteen years ago) link

of course he might just have been a perve w.a genius line in cover stories

mark s, Saturday, 25 August 2007 19:31 (sixteen years ago) link

WHEN YOU'RE DESTINED TO LIVE IN A STREET OF SHAME

STREET OF SHAME

Bimble, Monday, 27 August 2007 08:21 (sixteen years ago) link

OMG I'd just die knowing I lived in the guy's house. Actually, no, I think I'd dress up as Lydia Lunch and rub my body against the walls for a few hours.

nathalie, Monday, 27 August 2007 08:34 (sixteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

I'LL MEET YOU IN POLAND, BABY!

onimo, Thursday, 13 September 2007 11:41 (sixteen years ago) link

Hole never gets old. What a record.

onimo, Thursday, 13 September 2007 11:41 (sixteen years ago) link

yeah i totally agree.

i wonder if the remastered version that i read rumours about were actually ever released by some bizarre, and whether they are worth the extra £££ on an album i have already got 4 copies of ..

mark e, Thursday, 13 September 2007 13:08 (sixteen years ago) link

I'LL MEET YOU IN POLAND, BABY!

i mean to post that line every 1st of september but always forget.

stirmonster, Thursday, 13 September 2007 13:33 (sixteen years ago) link

Downloaded Hole, Nail, Thaw and Sink as a result of reading this thread a couple of weeks ago. Damn, that shit holds up. "I'm gonna soak my head under your hose!"

unperson, Thursday, 13 September 2007 14:25 (sixteen years ago) link

Flow and Love are essential

Just got offed, Thursday, 13 September 2007 14:46 (sixteen years ago) link

"Love" remix album is coming soon. Jason Forrest and Fennesz are involved, amongst others. The re-issues are definetely out there now but I haven't heard them.

everything, Thursday, 13 September 2007 14:55 (sixteen years ago) link

"Butterfly Potion" as the pinnacle of human achievement: discuss

Telephone thing, Saturday, 15 September 2007 14:11 (sixteen years ago) link

>"Butterfly Potion" as the pinnacle of human achievement: discuss

Nah, I gotta go with "A Prayer For My Death."

unperson, Saturday, 15 September 2007 15:13 (sixteen years ago) link

Then it seems we are at an impasse.

Telephone thing, Saturday, 15 September 2007 15:40 (sixteen years ago) link

All of this shit is still amazing.

HI DERE, Saturday, 15 September 2007 17:25 (sixteen years ago) link

>"Butterfly Potion" as the pinnacle of human achievement: discuss

Nah, I gotta go with "A Prayer For My Death."

-- unperson, Saturday, September 15, 2007 3:13 PM (4 hours ago)

"Throne of Agony" maybe?

John Justen, Saturday, 15 September 2007 19:41 (sixteen years ago) link

Louis, I know we've discussed this before, but I have to admit that I think LOVE is the least essential of his work so far (to the point that I got a little worried that he'd fallen off, actually. The first time I bought a foetus rec and had a "eh." reaction to it.)

John Justen, Saturday, 15 September 2007 19:43 (sixteen years ago) link

My cureent high rotation favorite is "Kid Hates Kid", actually.

John Justen, Saturday, 15 September 2007 19:44 (sixteen years ago) link

Love > Gash

S-, Monday, 17 September 2007 03:57 (sixteen years ago) link

Well, if for nothing else, Love is worth it for 'Don't Want Me Anymore' alone, a supreme, slow-building fusion of orchestra and fuzz-guitar with an absolutely lethal pay-off.

Just got offed, Monday, 17 September 2007 09:10 (sixteen years ago) link

Love > Gash

Haven't heard "Love" yet but there is no denying the classic-ness of "Hammer Falls."

Telephone thing, Monday, 17 September 2007 15:41 (sixteen years ago) link

whenever Offed comes in on this thread, i always feel guilty for having ignored my Foetus collection for so long. must be a hormonal thing, as i only ever enjoy Jims groove when i am pissed off, which has to be said, is a very rare situation these days.
though i can listen to Nail what ever mood i am in.
oh, and i far prefer Slung on Gash.

mark e, Monday, 17 September 2007 15:46 (sixteen years ago) link

Much as I bang on about Foetus, I only have 3 of his albums, namely the last two and Nail (courtesy of JJ). All are very good, but I definitely need to explore further.

That said, I can't imagine anything else of his being better than "Kreibabe". Tenser, fiercer, and more emotionally wrought than most plays, the song unfolds like twisted opera, for a genuinely (as opposed to Lloyd-Webber circus-freak) disturbed mind to find reason within its own depravity, racking up the wrongness and the paranoia by increments throughout its 13-minute runtime. Show-stopping. Stunning. Most unbelievable of all, catchy!

Just got offed, Monday, 17 September 2007 15:56 (sixteen years ago) link

three months pass...

is it too late to trade in my mind

Just got offed, Tuesday, 25 December 2007 16:20 (sixteen years ago) link

LJ I swear I'm gonna send you Hole if you haven't heard it yet.

I found a promo vinyl copy of the Null EP on the East Coast abandoned under a record rack for a mere six bucks. Never heard it, or any of the Sony stuff in fact. It's pretty damn good! Now I have copied Gash and Love from the radio station and plan on doing a little catching up with Mr. Thirlwell in 2008.

sleeve, Tuesday, 25 December 2007 16:49 (sixteen years ago) link

Hole? To my eternal shame, I only have 'Nail', 'Flow' and 'Love' thus far. If you're feeling any seasonal charity, I'd be very grateful!

Just got offed, Tuesday, 25 December 2007 17:00 (sixteen years ago) link

HUMAN HEIFFER FOR A FILLET VEAL!
HUGH HEFNER AND A HUMAN MEAL!
SOMEONE'S MAKING ME A HUMAN MEAL!

dude, get HOLE immediately.

StanM, Tuesday, 25 December 2007 19:24 (sixteen years ago) link

or else I'm gonna cook you a stew you'll choke on!

StanM, Tuesday, 25 December 2007 19:28 (sixteen years ago) link

I wish someone would write a book about his lyrics - I finally found out that "the snot-green sea, the scrotum-tightening sea" is from James Joyce's 'Ulysses' quite recently, for instance

StanM, Tuesday, 25 December 2007 19:44 (sixteen years ago) link

Louis, your ILX mail address doesn't work?

StanM, Tuesday, 25 December 2007 20:18 (sixteen years ago) link

And he lived with Keith Allen!

Which is likely why he appeared briefly in The Bullshitters.

visiting, Monday, 5 September 2022 21:30 (one year ago) link

It's about time for Mortaring Foetus Back on the Wheel I think.

Sassy Boutonnière (ledriver), Monday, 5 September 2022 21:38 (one year ago) link

that soft cell appearance is soemething else. I really loved the soft cell set in SF but this would have put it over the top.

akm, Monday, 5 September 2022 21:48 (one year ago) link

He also says there will be a final concluding Foetus album.

The last few Xordox and Thirlwell albums have been on CD so either I misremembered or he changed his mind

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 5 September 2022 21:56 (one year ago) link

Which is likely why he appeared briefly in The Bullshitters.

Best cameo ever. Nice if he could have been the centre of The Yob instead of UB40 as well

you can see me from westbury white horse, Monday, 5 September 2022 21:59 (one year ago) link

eleven months pass...

What day is it????

stirmonster, Friday, 1 September 2023 00:33 (eight months ago) link

TEMBATEMBATEMBATEMBA

― visiting, Tuesday, August 31, 2021 10:39 PM (two years ago)

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Friday, 1 September 2023 00:38 (eight months ago) link

We have ways of making you talk

Kim Kimberly, Friday, 1 September 2023 00:40 (eight months ago) link

WELL I GAVE YOU A LOT OF SLACK
BUT ALL I GET FROM YOU IS FLAK
-AK-AK-AK-AK-AK-AK-AK-AK-AK-AK-AK-AK

do I really have to quote bowling for soup at you? (Matt #2), Friday, 1 September 2023 01:23 (eight months ago) link

Today is the first first of September without onimo.

Hello I'm shitty gatsworth (aldo), Friday, 1 September 2023 09:35 (eight months ago) link

:(

stirmonster, Friday, 1 September 2023 15:56 (eight months ago) link

JG Thirlwell was in my dream last night ... I rarely have dreams about music

sarahell, Friday, 1 September 2023 16:27 (eight months ago) link

when my sister still lived in london she was leaving her house once and encountered a pasty-looking type on the pavement eyeing her house weirdly. she asked what was up and pasty said the house was a SHRINE* bcz FOETUS once lived there. which she had not till then known (the previous inhabitant had been a sad-seeming lady with many cats). anyway maybe keith allen also lived there…

*i don't imagine they actually said SHRINE, it's what they meant tho (i have a very clear imagined idea of this person lol, based entirely on unjust assumption)

mark s, Friday, 1 September 2023 16:33 (eight months ago) link

Pasty fans of pasty Foetus

do I really have to quote bowling for soup at you? (Matt #2), Friday, 1 September 2023 16:46 (eight months ago) link

four months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNXroStKqg4

Another interview at Lydia and Tim's podcast. Mostly about soundtrack work, he's writing an autobiography and there's a bit of talk about the best musician autobiographies

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 4 January 2024 20:36 (four months ago) link

three months pass...

https://archive.is/AeGJZ what a beautiful loft <3

fpsa, Tuesday, 9 April 2024 16:35 (three weeks ago) link

wow

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Tuesday, 9 April 2024 16:41 (three weeks ago) link

Lovely stuff

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 14 April 2024 00:51 (two weeks ago) link

I went there once to interview him for The Wire. It's a really nice space.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Sunday, 14 April 2024 01:50 (two weeks ago) link


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