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i only played magic for the first time a few weeks ago, how weird is that? i was intimidated by the kids who played it in high school, but it's not half as complicated as i thought.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:50 (6 years ago) Permalink

you should have been more intimidated by their allowances

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:56 (6 years ago) Permalink

and/or dedication to blowing every dollar earned at the drive-thru window sunday 5am-1:30pm on crazy junk instead of like cigarettes and cds

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:57 (6 years ago) Permalink

that is correct i am calling you bustas out

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:57 (6 years ago) Permalink

what are you talking about, i pinched a franklin from my dad's wallet to buy a mox jet

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:01 (6 years ago) Permalink

haha, i think i was most intimidated by their cliquish aspie superiority complexes.

i think it's really fun now though.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:03 (6 years ago) Permalink

ok http://www.wunderland.com/WTS/Andy/ProjectEBAY/MagicCards.html these prices are so retarded omg

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:06 (6 years ago) Permalink

people should all be blown up

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:06 (6 years ago) Permalink

in my middle school the biggest fight i got into was between pog players and m:tg players

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:09 (6 years ago) Permalink

i was obviously a magic player

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:09 (6 years ago) Permalink

green & white deck, in case anyone is wondering

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:10 (6 years ago) Permalink

omg pog

deeznuts, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:12 (6 years ago) Permalink

if i remember those years correctly i was more worried about the shame my seminoles starter jacket would bring me after danny wuerrfle's gators pounced on them in the orange bowl than anything having to do with those fucking things

deeznuts, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:14 (6 years ago) Permalink

I used to play magic back in the mid-nineties, I still have a hundreds and hundreds of those cards in some box around here. I never paid much for them though, because I stole most of them from bookstores. I wonder if that stuff is worth something these days, the oldest cards I have are from Revised Edition or whatever it was called.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:24 (6 years ago) Permalink

god, my nerd days were spent playing Avalon Hill wargames. and banging chicks of course

brownie, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:26 (6 years ago) Permalink

my best nerd days are ahead of me still.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:27 (6 years ago) Permalink

mine did not look quite as good as this one but I got pretty good

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (6 years ago) Permalink

i had a revised shivan dragon worth $50

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (6 years ago) Permalink

and my color selections were more noise

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (6 years ago) Permalink

haha shivan dragon. back in 1995 my friend's proudest accomplishment was owning 4 shivan dragons. I wonder if those cards are worth anything today.

burt_stanton, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:04 (6 years ago) Permalink

blue + black deck, my sengir vampires and royal assassins were so so gangster.

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:10 (6 years ago) Permalink

i had two revised royal assassins

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:10 (6 years ago) Permalink

maybe more, hell if i remember

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:11 (6 years ago) Permalink

at my 10th bday party i beat the rich kid in magic even tho i had no allowance, i had birthday money and was a HUSTLER with trades

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:12 (6 years ago) Permalink

i think sometimes i threw in some green too, but only if u could throw all mana down first turn and i would use it solely for my force of nature

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:18 (6 years ago) Permalink

8/8

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:18 (6 years ago) Permalink

i have a shivan dragon signed by the lady what painted it ;_;

Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:25 (6 years ago) Permalink

haha i think i some signed by artists too :-/

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:34 (6 years ago) Permalink

yeah i kept that shivan solely because it was worth money since i played green/white almost exclusively, i shoulda sold it off

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:42 (6 years ago) Permalink

I saw this stuff mostly when I was in college - 94 - 98. I was too busy playing (then) horrible blues rock, drinking and trying to get laid. Trying being the WAY operative word there.

B.L.A.M., Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:53 (6 years ago) Permalink

I sold a revised "Fork" for about 50 pounds.

Ronan, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:59 (6 years ago) Permalink

reading a thread for the first time and then realising you posted to it four years ago c/d

webber, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 23:44 (6 years ago) Permalink

Okay guys how similar is Pokemon the card game to Magic: the Gathering? Bcz I am getting stupidly good @ Pokemon (which did eat up all my spare $$$ this summer...sheesh Abbott).

Abbott, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 01:00 (6 years ago) Permalink

Y'all heard about The Eye of Judgment?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bhlq_GhYGsM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Eye_of_Judgment

It's a Magic type game for PS3 that uses real cards and a camera, just came out. The camera scans the cards as you put them into play and then the monsters on the cards battle it out on your TV. The game keeps track of all the stats and shit too, of course. I haven't played it but it's getting decent reviews.

marmotwolof, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 01:27 (6 years ago) Permalink

I probably spent twenty bucks on it total, maybe thirty. It was one summer, a fun thing, a moment in time, a nice little cultural artifact.

This is me w/ M:TG btw, but I've also done the "use Portal decks and ignore most of the rules" thing.

marmotwolof, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 01:31 (6 years ago) Permalink

I found a coffee table on the streets of Madison once whose top was a glass plate covering a tiling of just a single magic card. I don't recall what it was, but it must have been the "unwanted" card.

libcrypt, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 02:12 (6 years ago) Permalink

there was originally some card that involved ripping one of your opponents cards that got "banned" under the sanctioned rules...have no idea what it was called.

I had a mox sapphire! and sold basically everything i had owned at some point in '98 (when i was 19) probably for like 450 on ebay...

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 02:25 (6 years ago) Permalink

spent several hours on saturday night playing Magic with ian and was pretty consistently beaten by his blue & black deck.

elmo argonaut, Monday, 29 October 2007 14:04 (6 years ago) Permalink

people used to call blue and black decks "bruise" decks.

Ronan, Monday, 29 October 2007 14:16 (6 years ago) Permalink

apparently people play creatures in type 2 nowadays? I am sort of suspicious of this, it's not pokemon. I wish I hadn't lost all my cards.

Gravel Puzzleworth, Monday, 29 October 2007 14:29 (6 years ago) Permalink

i am so mad i couldn't find my old white/green deck when i was home this weekend.

ian, Monday, 29 October 2007 16:49 (6 years ago) Permalink

my favorite is the red & white deck.

bell_labs, Monday, 29 October 2007 16:51 (6 years ago) Permalink

people used to call blue and black decks "bruise" decks.

-- Ronan, Monday, October 29, 2007 9:16 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Link

fuck yeah

deej, Monday, 29 October 2007 16:53 (6 years ago) Permalink

red & white is a hard deck to play!

max, Monday, 29 October 2007 16:54 (6 years ago) Permalink

there were good all red or all green decks around the time the "mirages" (was that its name) edition of cards came out.

Ronan, Monday, 29 October 2007 18:22 (6 years ago) Permalink

Lightweights. I suspect Gravel may be hardcore, if he's referring to the fact that Morphling used to be the only playable creature.

Creatures are for Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh. Magic is a game of technique.

s. morris, Monday, 29 October 2007 19:21 (6 years ago) Permalink

I can only say all this after spending way too much time sniping cards on eBay in order to play something like 3 times in the last year.

The fortunate thing is that Magic card prices seem to be way more stable than the dollar, so that's money in the bank folks.

s. morris, Monday, 29 October 2007 19:23 (6 years ago) Permalink

I did Magic waaay early on. By the time I was too cool for it I gave everything to some neighborhood kid, if only I had sold it for $$$ ;_;

Jordan, Monday, 29 October 2007 19:25 (6 years ago) Permalink

Was not at all impressed by Wizards Of The Coast's headquarters. It's like a mile from Ikea in Renton and looks like any other corporate headquarters. I at least expected animatronic dragons or constant fireworks displays or something other than reflective glass and a fucking fountain.

s. morris, Monday, 29 October 2007 19:29 (6 years ago) Permalink

By the time I was too cool for it I gave everything to some neighborhood kid, if only I had sold it for $$$ ;_;

-- Jordan, Monday, October 29, 2007 2:25 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

i did this too ;_;

deej, Monday, 29 October 2007 19:35 (6 years ago) Permalink

that deck is pretty much what i had in mind when i saw the card, but i don't have high hopes for it being a tier 1 deck

ciderpress, Monday, 21 April 2014 19:57 (3 days ago) Permalink

Yeah tier 1 may be pushing it but I think it has a shot. I was only seeing it as a combo card, not as an attacker who gives you a free turn 1 out of 4 games. And it still has combo potential too.

Vinnie, Monday, 21 April 2014 20:06 (3 days ago) Permalink

can you give us an idea of the decklist? curious what the red is for

I never thought of Sage that way b/c in limited you generally don't want too many heroic dudes out as they all sort of interfere with each other - stuff like Launch the Fleet may change this a bit

frogbs, Monday, 21 April 2014 20:18 (3 days ago) Permalink

Plays Akroan Crusader, Favored Hoplite, Nivmagus Elemental, Satyr Hoplite, Sage of Hours as creatures + God's Willing, Retraction Helix, Triton Tactics, Hidden Strings, Trait Doctoring, Mizzium Skin, Bioshift, Ordeal of Thassa as spells.

Like I said, total junk cards but it has some very explosive draws like t1 Hoplite, t2 Hidden Strings, tap blocker, untap a land, and add a counter to Hoplite, Nivmagus Elemental, attack for 2, cipher Hidden Strings, add a counter to Hoplite, exile copy to add two counters to Nivmagus. Very vulnerable to removal though.

Vinnie, Monday, 21 April 2014 20:35 (3 days ago) Permalink

Er ignore tap blocker, that should be target Hoplite to add a counter.

Vinnie, Monday, 21 April 2014 20:36 (3 days ago) Permalink

I've been playtesting the Eidolon of Blossoms deck in Block and it is *so much fun* in that Momentary Blink my mulldrifter way where you just absolutely drown people in value - going off and discarding like Boon-Satyr-quality cards to hand size each turn is hilarious. I don't know how it is against Polukranos decks (I imagine... not great?) but the control and aggro matchups feel weirdly solid for such a casual-vibing deck.

Maps, Monday, 21 April 2014 21:21 (3 days ago) Permalink

The fact that Eidolon of Blossoms draws a card for itself (unlike any prior enchantresses) and doesn't care how the enchantment gets into play makes it seem rather abusable. Combined with Skybind you could get some kind of ridiculous engine going. Time will tell but I really like the card.

It will be interesting to see how Journey mixes up draft - after grinding out the Lion's Eye Diamond and Force of Will QP promos I'm kinda sick of Born/Theros/Theros. While I had some concept of how Born was going to effect things (green devotion gets a little better, W/R got stronger while B/R and W/B got weaker), Journey does so many new and oddball things that I can't really parse it all yet. War-Wing Siren seems like the best common. As Vinnie mentioned it's probably better than Wingsteed Rider, maybe if only because it costs 2C instead of 1CC. I would imagine that maindeck enchantment removal is going to be better considering that Journey has a bunch more enchantments in addition to the enchantment creatures and auras. Also it's kind of funny to see them print Reprisal straight up considering that Theros had such an awful Reprisal variant.

frogbs, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 13:36 (2 days ago) Permalink

i haven't been playing at all lately but i want to play full block sealed i am excited for this

ciderpress, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 13:42 (2 days ago) Permalink

for example a card like Mortal Obstinacy is tough to value right now but I suspect it's quite good - one mana heroic trigger that now also triggers Constellation, plus can remove an opposing enchantment in the meantime...feels like a high pick even if its pure power level seems low

frogbs, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 13:42 (2 days ago) Permalink

or say Feast of Dreams - is this good or is it worse than Ray of Dissolution? is Cast into Darkness solid makeshift removal or is a liability thanks to all the enchantment removal? is Stormchaser Chimera a first-pickable card that finally makes U/R playable?

frogbs, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 13:48 (2 days ago) Permalink

the activated ability on that chimera is too expensive. i wish it was RU, can only be activated once/turn.

Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 13:54 (2 days ago) Permalink

Stormchaser is a middle of the pack card. The stats aren't very good on their own so it relies on getting the ability off to make it good, but like Roberto said, it's too expensive. And even then the ability can miss - how bad does it suck to skip your turn expecting to trade this for Borderland Minotaur, only to scry land into land? This format is too tempo-oriented for it to shine. Plus it's gold which always drops cards in the pick order in this block IMO. Mortal Obstinacy seems spread too thin - not a very strong card for the heroic decks, nor a good enchantment removal card. Every once in a while, it'll be great, but getting full value is too situational. But Feast of Dreams is the real deal for limited, I think. Better than Ray because of the CC, and Journey looks to make enchantments more played.

Vinnie, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 15:00 (2 days ago) Permalink

well if more enchantments are going to be played, then wouldn't Ray be better? I think killing the Bestow is often better than killing the Bestowed creature (especially mid-combat) and Journey looks like its going to add to the number of enchantments but decrease the # of enchantment creatures, at least at common.

I think you're right about Stormchaser, I guess I wouldn't first-pick that - obviously they're trying to shoehorn in some kind of spell-based scry deck for U/R and stuff like Spite of Mogis really helps that, but the key cards like this dude, the Scry-Shock encantment, and Mnemonic Wall are just too expensive/inefficient on their own, and also they don't exactly combo off as well as the G/B graveyard stuff does; I don't see any strong commons to support this strategy outside of the bounce or burn that everyone else wants.

frogbs, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 15:15 (2 days ago) Permalink

Sorry my last sentence was two separate thoughts. I think Feast is better only because of the lower casting cost, and Ray and Feast both become better because of more enchantments overall. You may be right that Ray is better due to the ability to blow out Bestow mid-combat. On that note, isn't it bizarre that Feast can hit an enchantment creature, an enchanted creature, but not an enchantment creature that is enchanting a creature? This block does my head in.

Vinnie, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 15:26 (2 days ago) Permalink

This block definitely is strange in that way - a dude who was newer to the game asked me why you could cast Ray of Dissolution on a Nimbus Naiad when it's a creature but you can't Sip of Hemlock it when it's an Aura. Never quite thought of it that way because I'm used to the odd tapestry that is the M:TG rules but I couldn't come up with an easy explanation. Either way I feel like both are going to be playable though I fear that Feast is the sort of card that could stick in your hand for most of the game the way the current enchantment removal does.

frogbs, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 15:35 (2 days ago) Permalink

Another one for the crazy file: recently learned that if you pre-combat destroy your opponent's creature that has a Bestow guy on it, that Bestow creature can attack that turn as long as it wasn't played just that turn. Same principle that allows Mutavault to attack even though it wasn't a creature at the start of the turn.

Vinnie, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 15:47 (2 days ago) Permalink

Yeah this is the first block where the rules of 'control' of an Aura really begin to make a difference. Another good example is taking control of a creature with an Ordeal on it (say, with Portent of Betrayal) - if you do it to get the Ordeal's effect, it'll actually backfire. Nor will you get the Bestow if the creature dies (which'll be relevant now that there's incentive to Bestow your opponent's creatures). And Bestow creatures as an Aura don't 'tap' with the creature even though most people in paper Magic at least play it that way.

frogbs, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 16:08 (2 days ago) Permalink

yeah i have been on a steep learning curve about auras and control. i did get suckered by stealing an enemy creature with an ordeal that was about to go off, and i also lost a race to someone who put his ordeal of heliod on my heroic creature

Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 16:13 (2 days ago) Permalink

i also lost a race to someone who put his ordeal of heliod on my heroic creature

Holy cow, this never occurred to me. I've definitely been in the situation holding an Ordeal without a creature I can trigger it with.

Vinnie, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 16:59 (2 days ago) Permalink

Another one for the crazy file: recently learned that if you pre-combat destroy your opponent's creature that has a Bestow guy on it, that Bestow creature can attack that turn as long as it wasn't played just that turn. Same principle that allows Mutavault to attack even though it wasn't a creature at the start of the turn.

yeah people mess this up all the time - i actually won a game at gp toronto because my opponent killed my bestowed creature at the beginning of combat instead of during, allowing me to attack for lethal with my previously bestowed creature

i am really, inordinately excited for this prerelease and im not sure why

dude (Lamp), Tuesday, 22 April 2014 17:17 (2 days ago) Permalink


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