Magic: The Gathering C/D

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i only played magic for the first time a few weeks ago, how weird is that? i was intimidated by the kids who played it in high school, but it's not half as complicated as i thought.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:50 (nine years ago) Permalink

you should have been more intimidated by their allowances

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:56 (nine years ago) Permalink

and/or dedication to blowing every dollar earned at the drive-thru window sunday 5am-1:30pm on crazy junk instead of like cigarettes and cds

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:57 (nine years ago) Permalink

that is correct i am calling you bustas out

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:57 (nine years ago) Permalink

what are you talking about, i pinched a franklin from my dad's wallet to buy a mox jet

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:01 (nine years ago) Permalink

haha, i think i was most intimidated by their cliquish aspie superiority complexes.

i think it's really fun now though.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:03 (nine years ago) Permalink

ok these prices are so retarded omg

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:06 (nine years ago) Permalink

people should all be blown up

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:06 (nine years ago) Permalink

in my middle school the biggest fight i got into was between pog players and m:tg players

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:09 (nine years ago) Permalink

i was obviously a magic player

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:09 (nine years ago) Permalink

green & white deck, in case anyone is wondering

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:10 (nine years ago) Permalink

omg pog

deeznuts, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:12 (nine years ago) Permalink

if i remember those years correctly i was more worried about the shame my seminoles starter jacket would bring me after danny wuerrfle's gators pounced on them in the orange bowl than anything having to do with those fucking things

deeznuts, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:14 (nine years ago) Permalink

I used to play magic back in the mid-nineties, I still have a hundreds and hundreds of those cards in some box around here. I never paid much for them though, because I stole most of them from bookstores. I wonder if that stuff is worth something these days, the oldest cards I have are from Revised Edition or whatever it was called.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:24 (nine years ago) Permalink

god, my nerd days were spent playing Avalon Hill wargames. and banging chicks of course

brownie, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:26 (nine years ago) Permalink

my best nerd days are ahead of me still.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:27 (nine years ago) Permalink

mine did not look quite as good as this one but I got pretty good

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (nine years ago) Permalink

i had a revised shivan dragon worth $50

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (nine years ago) Permalink

and my color selections were more noise

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (nine years ago) Permalink

haha shivan dragon. back in 1995 my friend's proudest accomplishment was owning 4 shivan dragons. I wonder if those cards are worth anything today.

burt_stanton, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:04 (nine years ago) Permalink

blue + black deck, my sengir vampires and royal assassins were so so gangster.

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:10 (nine years ago) Permalink

i had two revised royal assassins

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:10 (nine years ago) Permalink

maybe more, hell if i remember

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:11 (nine years ago) Permalink

at my 10th bday party i beat the rich kid in magic even tho i had no allowance, i had birthday money and was a HUSTLER with trades

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:12 (nine years ago) Permalink

i think sometimes i threw in some green too, but only if u could throw all mana down first turn and i would use it solely for my force of nature

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:18 (nine years ago) Permalink


deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:18 (nine years ago) Permalink

i have a shivan dragon signed by the lady what painted it ;_;

Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:25 (nine years ago) Permalink

haha i think i some signed by artists too :-/

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:34 (nine years ago) Permalink

yeah i kept that shivan solely because it was worth money since i played green/white almost exclusively, i shoulda sold it off

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:42 (nine years ago) Permalink

I saw this stuff mostly when I was in college - 94 - 98. I was too busy playing (then) horrible blues rock, drinking and trying to get laid. Trying being the WAY operative word there.

B.L.A.M., Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:53 (nine years ago) Permalink

I sold a revised "Fork" for about 50 pounds.

Ronan, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:59 (nine years ago) Permalink

reading a thread for the first time and then realising you posted to it four years ago c/d

webber, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 23:44 (nine years ago) Permalink

Okay guys how similar is Pokemon the card game to Magic: the Gathering? Bcz I am getting stupidly good @ Pokemon (which did eat up all my spare $$$ this summer...sheesh Abbott).

Abbott, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 01:00 (nine years ago) Permalink

Y'all heard about The Eye of Judgment?

It's a Magic type game for PS3 that uses real cards and a camera, just came out. The camera scans the cards as you put them into play and then the monsters on the cards battle it out on your TV. The game keeps track of all the stats and shit too, of course. I haven't played it but it's getting decent reviews.

marmotwolof, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 01:27 (nine years ago) Permalink

I probably spent twenty bucks on it total, maybe thirty. It was one summer, a fun thing, a moment in time, a nice little cultural artifact.

This is me w/ M:TG btw, but I've also done the "use Portal decks and ignore most of the rules" thing.

marmotwolof, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 01:31 (nine years ago) Permalink

I found a coffee table on the streets of Madison once whose top was a glass plate covering a tiling of just a single magic card. I don't recall what it was, but it must have been the "unwanted" card.

libcrypt, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 02:12 (nine years ago) Permalink

there was originally some card that involved ripping one of your opponents cards that got "banned" under the sanctioned rules...have no idea what it was called.

I had a mox sapphire! and sold basically everything i had owned at some point in '98 (when i was 19) probably for like 450 on ebay...

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 02:25 (nine years ago) Permalink

spent several hours on saturday night playing Magic with ian and was pretty consistently beaten by his blue & black deck.

elmo argonaut, Monday, 29 October 2007 14:04 (nine years ago) Permalink

people used to call blue and black decks "bruise" decks.

Ronan, Monday, 29 October 2007 14:16 (nine years ago) Permalink

apparently people play creatures in type 2 nowadays? I am sort of suspicious of this, it's not pokemon. I wish I hadn't lost all my cards.

Gravel Puzzleworth, Monday, 29 October 2007 14:29 (nine years ago) Permalink

i am so mad i couldn't find my old white/green deck when i was home this weekend.

ian, Monday, 29 October 2007 16:49 (nine years ago) Permalink

my favorite is the red & white deck.

bell_labs, Monday, 29 October 2007 16:51 (nine years ago) Permalink

people used to call blue and black decks "bruise" decks.

-- Ronan, Monday, October 29, 2007 9:16 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Link

fuck yeah

deej, Monday, 29 October 2007 16:53 (nine years ago) Permalink

red & white is a hard deck to play!

max, Monday, 29 October 2007 16:54 (nine years ago) Permalink

there were good all red or all green decks around the time the "mirages" (was that its name) edition of cards came out.

Ronan, Monday, 29 October 2007 18:22 (nine years ago) Permalink

Lightweights. I suspect Gravel may be hardcore, if he's referring to the fact that Morphling used to be the only playable creature.

Creatures are for Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh. Magic is a game of technique.

s. morris, Monday, 29 October 2007 19:21 (nine years ago) Permalink

I can only say all this after spending way too much time sniping cards on eBay in order to play something like 3 times in the last year.

The fortunate thing is that Magic card prices seem to be way more stable than the dollar, so that's money in the bank folks.

s. morris, Monday, 29 October 2007 19:23 (nine years ago) Permalink

I did Magic waaay early on. By the time I was too cool for it I gave everything to some neighborhood kid, if only I had sold it for $$$ ;_;

Jordan, Monday, 29 October 2007 19:25 (nine years ago) Permalink

Was not at all impressed by Wizards Of The Coast's headquarters. It's like a mile from Ikea in Renton and looks like any other corporate headquarters. I at least expected animatronic dragons or constant fireworks displays or something other than reflective glass and a fucking fountain.

s. morris, Monday, 29 October 2007 19:29 (nine years ago) Permalink

By the time I was too cool for it I gave everything to some neighborhood kid, if only I had sold it for $$$ ;_;

-- Jordan, Monday, October 29, 2007 2:25 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

i did this too ;_;

deej, Monday, 29 October 2007 19:35 (nine years ago) Permalink

Wonder if this means the 3/5 crew 1 dude with occasional lifelink is gonna get played. Seems nearly as good!

frogbs, Tuesday, 10 January 2017 14:28 (one week ago) Permalink

it's pretty different, more of a midrange card, but should get played

ciderpress, Tuesday, 10 January 2017 14:31 (one week ago) Permalink

renegade rallier is interesting in modern zoo with the cheap landfall guys

ciderpress, Tuesday, 10 January 2017 14:58 (one week ago) Permalink

t1 steppe lynx / t2 fetch, geopede / t3 fetch, rallier is lethal. you even have an extra mana on t3 to path or bolt a blocker

ciderpress, Tuesday, 10 January 2017 15:01 (one week ago) Permalink

starting to think printing fetches was not exactly a great decision

frogbs, Tuesday, 10 January 2017 15:04 (one week ago) Permalink

got a favorable impression of this set from the prerelease, though my pool was absolute garbage and i only won matches because i was playing vs new players. feels almost oldschool to have actual good removal at common at this point.

ciderpress, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 20:21 (six days ago) Permalink

black and/or red felt like the strongest colors to me, blue is bad but in a more fun way than usual

ciderpress, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 20:26 (six days ago) Permalink

some idle comments on colors

white - dawnfeather eagle is an unusually good finisher for a common, feels like it got a lot of white's power budget which is awkward since you can't play many
blue - blue only has 1 decent on-curve creature at common (the drake) and a ton of nonsense. you're relying a lot on cheap artifact dudes and will probably have to play off-color automatons in blue decks. good blue decks are going to look like total piles just like the bad ones and it'll take some nuance to figure out which is which.
black - we've had a bunch of crummy -x/-x commons lately but i think cruel finality does enough here to elevate it to a higher pick than things like die young or throttle were
red - red commons are just all really good for the format. shock is better here than 4 mana 4 damage which is better than aether chaser and sweatworks brawler, but all 4 of those look better than any blue common and also probably any white common that isn't the pacifism
green - none of the beaters are efficient enough to be higher picks than the mana guy, and they're interchangeable enough that prey upon probably comes in 2nd as well. peema outrider and thriving rhino outsize AER creatures really hard so green drafters get rewarded nicely in pack 3
artifacts - renegade map is the card that makes revolt a strong mechanic rather than a marginal one, while also working well with improvise. this kind of makes it the equivalent of both prophetic prism and renegade freighter at the same time in this set and i wouldn't be surprised if it becomes a consensus high pick common

ciderpress, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 20:56 (six days ago) Permalink

so frontier seems to be really picking up in Austin, TX. A bunch of stores are running events, some doing 2 a week. I took down the Wednesday night frontier event at my LGS two weeks in a row with a pretty sweet Jeskai Spirits deck. The crowd that's showing up on Wednesday nights is bigger than they've been getting for FNM, although maybe that will slow down once Aether Revolt is released. Everyone seems very enthusiastic, in part because the general quality of decks and level of play seems to be higher than with standard. Another local store is running a frontier 1K in a couple weeks, should be fun.

My only concern is going to be deciding how I split up my time going forward. I would like to continue with frontier and standard and maybe draft here and there. Also working on building Naya Burn for Modern. Don't know how I'm going to find the time to play all these formats though.

Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Thursday, 19 January 2017 14:43 (four days ago) Permalink

Frontier reminds me of when Modern was first announced and they threw it up on MTGO before any major events and people were playing all sorts of wild & diverse decks, and then once PTs and GPs started up it turned out most of those decks weren't actually good. I think if Frontier ever comes under any scrutiny as a competitive format they'll have to ban Treasure Cruise/Dig Through Time since I'm certain those cards are still overpowered even in a smaller/newer format than Modern. Possibly Collected Company as well.

ciderpress, Thursday, 19 January 2017 15:30 (four days ago) Permalink

the format is nowhere near solved and throwing in Aether Revolt will bring some pretty big changes. I can see wizards supporting a similar format with some tweaks as you mentioned. I can say that Torrential Gearhulk into Dig is pretty disgusting. The Ensoul Artifact deck is pretty popular right now and will get more powerful with the new set. That all said, no one seems to have a credible plan against the deck I've been running, but I'm sure that will change eventually.

Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Thursday, 19 January 2017 15:35 (four days ago) Permalink

yeah i'm just saying i find it funny that people are touting the diversity of the format as a draw when it hasn't been stress tested by the best players/deckbuilders yet. i was excited about the Rage Forger deck that was doing decently in MTGO events when Modern first started, and then it turned out the format was more about hardcasting Emrakul on turn 4

ciderpress, Thursday, 19 January 2017 15:39 (four days ago) Permalink

in the near term, the format is going to see some consolidation as people figure out what's good and what isn't. In the longer term, it will certainly get more diverse as more cards enter the pool.

Right now I think people are overvaluing the Khans block cards and strategies and not using enough powerful cards from more recent sets. A deck like Abzan just feels painfully slow to me.

Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Thursday, 19 January 2017 17:47 (four days ago) Permalink

Finally got to live the dream before KLD draft season is over

Hadn't considered before what having all three modules out did but it is pretty lol when you get it going

frogbs, Friday, 20 January 2017 03:03 (three days ago) Permalink

it's basically just 1 mana for a 2/2 and an energy right?

ciderpress, Friday, 20 January 2017 04:14 (three days ago) Permalink

so how likely is it that Saheeli or Guardian will be banned following the PT? Are we now living in a world in which every new set will bring about an overpowered deck that dominates for a few weeks and then faces a ban? I'm looking forward to wild swings between playing in an un-fun environment and seeing massive destruction of card value. Surely that will bring more people to Standard!

Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Saturday, 21 January 2017 17:18 (two days ago) Permalink

no one knows yet. week 1 events are not indicative of where the format will end up. standard bans are very rare and i don't expect them to happen more often going forward just because they're increasing the cadence of the announcement. historically they've happened about once every 5 years.

ciderpress, Saturday, 21 January 2017 17:47 (two days ago) Permalink

that is all true, but I still need to keep the possibility of a banning in the back of my mind as I move forward. The Saheeli combo fits neatly into the U/W decks that I've been playing. Despite Saheeli's elevated cost, I wouldn't normally consider it completely unreasonable to go in that direction. But faced with the prospect of losing $100+ in card value in the near future, it becomes much less attractive.

Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Saturday, 21 January 2017 18:22 (two days ago) Permalink

In his article last week, Sam of R&D said that they are aware of the Saheeli combo and aren't worried because there are a lot of ways in Standard to handle it. Whereas they admit that Copter really didn't have a lot of answers (hence the banning). I'm gonna take him at his word and assume they won't need to ban, but the PT will be a good test. Everyone is aware of the combo, so the top decks should be able to handle it if the tools are there and the combo doesn't overpower everything else

Vinnie, Monday, 23 January 2017 04:34 (three hours ago) Permalink

i flicked on the scg today for a couple minutes and one guy had boarded in authority of the consuls as an answer. i guess slightly more resilient than thalia 2 and being a blank otherwise is ok if you just have to stop the combo. 3 saheeli decks in the top 8 but looks like there was tons of them in the field in general and none made top 4.

Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 23 January 2017 04:49 (three hours ago) Permalink

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