Magic: The Gathering C/D

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i only played magic for the first time a few weeks ago, how weird is that? i was intimidated by the kids who played it in high school, but it's not half as complicated as i thought.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:50 (6 years ago) Permalink

you should have been more intimidated by their allowances

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:56 (6 years ago) Permalink

and/or dedication to blowing every dollar earned at the drive-thru window sunday 5am-1:30pm on crazy junk instead of like cigarettes and cds

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:57 (6 years ago) Permalink

that is correct i am calling you bustas out

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:57 (6 years ago) Permalink

what are you talking about, i pinched a franklin from my dad's wallet to buy a mox jet

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:01 (6 years ago) Permalink

haha, i think i was most intimidated by their cliquish aspie superiority complexes.

i think it's really fun now though.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:03 (6 years ago) Permalink

ok http://www.wunderland.com/WTS/Andy/ProjectEBAY/MagicCards.html these prices are so retarded omg

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:06 (6 years ago) Permalink

people should all be blown up

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:06 (6 years ago) Permalink

in my middle school the biggest fight i got into was between pog players and m:tg players

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:09 (6 years ago) Permalink

i was obviously a magic player

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:09 (6 years ago) Permalink

green & white deck, in case anyone is wondering

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:10 (6 years ago) Permalink

omg pog

deeznuts, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:12 (6 years ago) Permalink

if i remember those years correctly i was more worried about the shame my seminoles starter jacket would bring me after danny wuerrfle's gators pounced on them in the orange bowl than anything having to do with those fucking things

deeznuts, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:14 (6 years ago) Permalink

I used to play magic back in the mid-nineties, I still have a hundreds and hundreds of those cards in some box around here. I never paid much for them though, because I stole most of them from bookstores. I wonder if that stuff is worth something these days, the oldest cards I have are from Revised Edition or whatever it was called.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:24 (6 years ago) Permalink

god, my nerd days were spent playing Avalon Hill wargames. and banging chicks of course

brownie, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:26 (6 years ago) Permalink

my best nerd days are ahead of me still.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:27 (6 years ago) Permalink

mine did not look quite as good as this one but I got pretty good

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (6 years ago) Permalink

i had a revised shivan dragon worth $50

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (6 years ago) Permalink

and my color selections were more noise

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (6 years ago) Permalink

haha shivan dragon. back in 1995 my friend's proudest accomplishment was owning 4 shivan dragons. I wonder if those cards are worth anything today.

burt_stanton, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:04 (6 years ago) Permalink

blue + black deck, my sengir vampires and royal assassins were so so gangster.

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:10 (6 years ago) Permalink

i had two revised royal assassins

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:10 (6 years ago) Permalink

maybe more, hell if i remember

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:11 (6 years ago) Permalink

at my 10th bday party i beat the rich kid in magic even tho i had no allowance, i had birthday money and was a HUSTLER with trades

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:12 (6 years ago) Permalink

i think sometimes i threw in some green too, but only if u could throw all mana down first turn and i would use it solely for my force of nature

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:18 (6 years ago) Permalink

8/8

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:18 (6 years ago) Permalink

i have a shivan dragon signed by the lady what painted it ;_;

Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:25 (6 years ago) Permalink

haha i think i some signed by artists too :-/

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:34 (6 years ago) Permalink

yeah i kept that shivan solely because it was worth money since i played green/white almost exclusively, i shoulda sold it off

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:42 (6 years ago) Permalink

I saw this stuff mostly when I was in college - 94 - 98. I was too busy playing (then) horrible blues rock, drinking and trying to get laid. Trying being the WAY operative word there.

B.L.A.M., Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:53 (6 years ago) Permalink

I sold a revised "Fork" for about 50 pounds.

Ronan, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:59 (6 years ago) Permalink

reading a thread for the first time and then realising you posted to it four years ago c/d

webber, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 23:44 (6 years ago) Permalink

Okay guys how similar is Pokemon the card game to Magic: the Gathering? Bcz I am getting stupidly good @ Pokemon (which did eat up all my spare $$$ this summer...sheesh Abbott).

Abbott, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 01:00 (6 years ago) Permalink

Y'all heard about The Eye of Judgment?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bhlq_GhYGsM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Eye_of_Judgment

It's a Magic type game for PS3 that uses real cards and a camera, just came out. The camera scans the cards as you put them into play and then the monsters on the cards battle it out on your TV. The game keeps track of all the stats and shit too, of course. I haven't played it but it's getting decent reviews.

marmotwolof, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 01:27 (6 years ago) Permalink

I probably spent twenty bucks on it total, maybe thirty. It was one summer, a fun thing, a moment in time, a nice little cultural artifact.

This is me w/ M:TG btw, but I've also done the "use Portal decks and ignore most of the rules" thing.

marmotwolof, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 01:31 (6 years ago) Permalink

I found a coffee table on the streets of Madison once whose top was a glass plate covering a tiling of just a single magic card. I don't recall what it was, but it must have been the "unwanted" card.

libcrypt, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 02:12 (6 years ago) Permalink

there was originally some card that involved ripping one of your opponents cards that got "banned" under the sanctioned rules...have no idea what it was called.

I had a mox sapphire! and sold basically everything i had owned at some point in '98 (when i was 19) probably for like 450 on ebay...

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 02:25 (6 years ago) Permalink

spent several hours on saturday night playing Magic with ian and was pretty consistently beaten by his blue & black deck.

elmo argonaut, Monday, 29 October 2007 14:04 (6 years ago) Permalink

people used to call blue and black decks "bruise" decks.

Ronan, Monday, 29 October 2007 14:16 (6 years ago) Permalink

apparently people play creatures in type 2 nowadays? I am sort of suspicious of this, it's not pokemon. I wish I hadn't lost all my cards.

Gravel Puzzleworth, Monday, 29 October 2007 14:29 (6 years ago) Permalink

i am so mad i couldn't find my old white/green deck when i was home this weekend.

ian, Monday, 29 October 2007 16:49 (6 years ago) Permalink

my favorite is the red & white deck.

bell_labs, Monday, 29 October 2007 16:51 (6 years ago) Permalink

people used to call blue and black decks "bruise" decks.

-- Ronan, Monday, October 29, 2007 9:16 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Link

fuck yeah

deej, Monday, 29 October 2007 16:53 (6 years ago) Permalink

red & white is a hard deck to play!

max, Monday, 29 October 2007 16:54 (6 years ago) Permalink

there were good all red or all green decks around the time the "mirages" (was that its name) edition of cards came out.

Ronan, Monday, 29 October 2007 18:22 (6 years ago) Permalink

Lightweights. I suspect Gravel may be hardcore, if he's referring to the fact that Morphling used to be the only playable creature.

Creatures are for Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh. Magic is a game of technique.

s. morris, Monday, 29 October 2007 19:21 (6 years ago) Permalink

I can only say all this after spending way too much time sniping cards on eBay in order to play something like 3 times in the last year.

The fortunate thing is that Magic card prices seem to be way more stable than the dollar, so that's money in the bank folks.

s. morris, Monday, 29 October 2007 19:23 (6 years ago) Permalink

I did Magic waaay early on. By the time I was too cool for it I gave everything to some neighborhood kid, if only I had sold it for $$$ ;_;

Jordan, Monday, 29 October 2007 19:25 (6 years ago) Permalink

Was not at all impressed by Wizards Of The Coast's headquarters. It's like a mile from Ikea in Renton and looks like any other corporate headquarters. I at least expected animatronic dragons or constant fireworks displays or something other than reflective glass and a fucking fountain.

s. morris, Monday, 29 October 2007 19:29 (6 years ago) Permalink

By the time I was too cool for it I gave everything to some neighborhood kid, if only I had sold it for $$$ ;_;

-- Jordan, Monday, October 29, 2007 2:25 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

i did this too ;_;

deej, Monday, 29 October 2007 19:35 (6 years ago) Permalink

the Blue Elk is doing my head in

Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Friday, 12 September 2014 15:58 (1 week ago) Permalink

i love Blue Elk

ciderpress, Friday, 12 September 2014 16:00 (1 week ago) Permalink

doesn't seem like a ton of ways at common to get cards into the yard for for delve

Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 12 September 2014 16:52 (1 week ago) Permalink

early observation: there is a lot more toughness than power on low rarity creatures. this is usually the sign of a slow format. theros broke this trend but only because its mechanics let you go over the top of 4-5 toughness creatures in the midgame; i'm not seeing as many tools to do that in this set. it seems like it shouldn't be difficult to stall the game out while you delve or outlast your way into a winning position. i can't figure out what a winning mardu or temur deck looks like, but the existence of two 6-power green commons and 3 cards that spew out 1/1 tokens is probably related to this.

ciderpress, Friday, 12 September 2014 16:59 (1 week ago) Permalink

with RTR block and M14 rotating out, this is the first time that I have a bunch of of cards that are staples in non-Standard formats including shocklands, Abrupt Decay, Deathrite Shaman, and Mutavault. Is it worthwhile holding on to these or should I be trading them as soon as possible?

Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Tuesday, 16 September 2014 16:51 (5 days ago) Permalink

I think Abrupts will only go up, and Mutavault feels like a good bet to stay at $25+, people were playing them in Modern a lot before IIRC. Dunno about Deathrite, being banned kinda caps its value doesn't it?

Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Tuesday, 16 September 2014 17:05 (5 days ago) Permalink

still gets lots of Legacy play

Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Tuesday, 16 September 2014 17:26 (5 days ago) Permalink

those 3 cards are playable in every format they're legal in, hold them all if you have any interest in modern/eternal magic

ciderpress, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 17:41 (5 days ago) Permalink

got coerced into doing the midnight prerelease again. i'm playing sultai because cost-reduction mechanics have always been broken in the past and i don't see why that should change now. people already talking about playing treasure cruise in legacy.

ars arcanum is up and the guy hits the same conclusions as i got from eyeballing the spoiler more or less - slower format than recent blocks, 18 lands probably optimal due to a logjam of 5cmc costs because so many of the morphs unmorph for 5, choose to play first despite slow format because morph initiative is super important, highly value 2cmc cards that trade with morphs and 3cmc 2/3s, banners suck because you want to play a morph on 3.

tl;dr basically morph is a really format-warping mechanic for limited and most of your macro-level decisions should be informed by its existence.

ciderpress, Friday, 19 September 2014 16:49 (2 days ago) Permalink

i think whoever gets to 5 mana first in this format is heavily advantaged, and it's going to be difficult to win at all if you don't get there within a turn cycle of your opponent

ciderpress, Friday, 19 September 2014 16:52 (2 days ago) Permalink

it definitely occured to me that a banner may not be an ideal Turn 3 play

Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Friday, 19 September 2014 18:16 (2 days ago) Permalink

i think banners will be like cluestones in DGR, a bit of over-the-top fixing that most people won't need/want but they'll be available late if you somehow get starved for fixing or if your deck explicitly wants to jump 3 to 5 (i.e. if you have few morphs and several strong 5cmc hardcasts like Bear's Companion or whatever)

ciderpress, Friday, 19 September 2014 18:40 (2 days ago) Permalink

Yeah that's a spot on analysis. The Banners are kind of a consolation prize for those who don't pick up good morph creatures. I like that they exist.

I just moved to Vietnam, which doesn't have a Magic scene afaict, so this will be the first block since Invasion that I'll only be watching instead of playing with (I'm rarely in the mood for MTGO).

Vinnie, Saturday, 20 September 2014 06:55 (Yesterday) Permalink

i think my 5 mana hypothesis holds, i got a bunch of free wins from people who missed their 5th land drop for a turn or 2.

this feels like the most turn-management-based format since ROE, i found that i often had so many lines of play each turn that i was unintentionally stalling the game trying to figure out what was best. lots of unintentional draws at my prerelase so it wasn't just me either.

ciderpress, Saturday, 20 September 2014 15:51 (Yesterday) Permalink

i went 4-1 at my prerelease playing two drops and removal and capitalizing on the # of people that werent playing spells before turn three. i agree with cider i found it hard to sequence my spells correctly and was often unsure of what to prioritize. the one round i lost i could have easily won game three if i had prioritized killing my opponents morph instead of leaving mana up to threaten unmorphing my own creatures. there were also just a lot of situations were i could only get max value out of some subset of my cards (outlast vs. attack for raid as an e.g.) and it made me feel like my games were v skill intensive.

not sure i have any real insights into the format yet except that understanding attacking and blocking into opponents morph creatures seems like the most important thing. i had no problem not hitting my 5th drop and won a couple of games on 4 lands but will admit my deck was probably not typical. also people having approx like 52 of the refuges in their sealed decks made playing aggro kinda irritating

Lamp, Saturday, 20 September 2014 23:58 (Yesterday) Permalink

the outlast stuff is really skill intensive. I got a total blowout thanks to a bunch of "all creatures with +1/+1 counters get ______" dudes and an Abzan Charm

Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Sunday, 21 September 2014 00:36 (15 hours ago) Permalink

well it's the turn management element that's skill intensive, not figuring out the clever card interactions

i played again today and tried just running every refuge/triland in my pool and splashing all the best cards, and it worked out much better, my deck felt way more powerful and the ticks of lifegain do help make up for the loss in tempo from having lands come in tapped.

i ran into 1 person playing 2-drop aggro who seemed to be doing well, but in general once you learn to suck it up and trade off your good morphs for their 2/2s its hard for them to win.

ciderpress, Sunday, 21 September 2014 02:05 (14 hours ago) Permalink

has anyone gotten to raid the 3/3 add RWB guy into the 2/3 + 1/1 yet?

ciderpress, Sunday, 21 September 2014 02:16 (13 hours ago) Permalink

had it happen to me actually

iatee, Sunday, 21 September 2014 03:37 (12 hours ago) Permalink

haha no. i did have someone cast that into a free mardu charm though. #value

my raid allstar was the halvetongue kavu unsurprisingly but the 2/1 discard was a lot better than i had anticipated. even nabbing a land would often pay off because peoples hands against me were so often chocked on mana - there are so many effects and spells at 5 and 6 &c

Lamp, Sunday, 21 September 2014 03:41 (12 hours ago) Permalink


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