Dave Matthews Band : Name Your Reasons Why They Are So Bad & Hated.

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How about we listen to somebody with some credibility on this issue. Would you all agree that U2 is a fairly decent band?

Unfortunately I think you just shot yourself in the foot.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 1 March 2003 13:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

has anyone noticed that a lot of these posts have been incredibly racist....

P.S(especially the non-dmb fans you white trash pieces of shit)

P.S.S(have you guys ever realize that your just dissing people you will never be i.e Accountants, lawyers, people that go to university)

DMB FAN 4/20, Saturday, 1 March 2003 15:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

another 'interesting' post. what a quietly storming afternoon we are having today.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 1 March 2003 15:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

oh let me guess..u2 is a terrible band also and bono sucks. i would say its safe to say that u2 is one of the most established and celebrated rock bands in rock history..count the number of awards..count the number of years they have been together..etc..etc..etc...dont argue for the sake of argument you all are just digging yourselves into a deeper ditch..please be reminded i have not said one bad thing about linkin park.

mark, Saturday, 1 March 2003 16:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

who cares what bono thinks..obviously not you..it just brought some credibility to this topic..do you know what credibility is??? its something you try to use when you argue with people ..get it??

mark, Saturday, 1 March 2003 16:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

I don't think you get it. never mind.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 1 March 2003 17:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

dmb will only be defended by dmb fans, not casual listeners...
by bringing U2 into the topic, the depths are now being plumbed...
BTW-yeah, u2 is now among the shit bands. i don't need another Paul Simon or Billy Joel, fuck you very much.
racist?? why? because someone said "black"??? is that racist?
if so, geez, take yr pills...

eded, Saturday, 1 March 2003 18:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

Julio - why d'you keep clicking on this link, it's obv. you don't like DMB, and you almost know what the unread posts are going to say, yet still you come in, pop a more-than-a-little-smug dismissal at The Googler, then scurry off. C'mon d00d. Bring the love. Imbibe the vibe ((c) Ronan, 2001).

Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 1 March 2003 18:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

Lazy HTML as signifier of disdain withstanding, that wasn't meant to be/sound nasty.

Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 1 March 2003 18:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

But like it or not, other people will have their opinions on the matter and will disagree with you on them if that's what they feel. That's the way things work. From where you're standing, those others are not 'right,' but they're not wrong either. -- Ned Raggett

Ned, like I said I don't care if people like the music or not. That's their opinion. It's when people are prejudiced towards me and other fans that there begins to be a problem. I happen to hate the music of the band Creed, but I don't hate all Creed fans just because they like music that I don't. I have been treated very unfairly at times because I happen to be a DMB fan. A lot of people assume I am a pot-head and that all I do is get drunk and listen to DMB. That's not my life at all. I don't really know of many other bands or artists whose fans get so much hatred. Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to me that DMB fans are some of the most hated fans around and I still don't understand why. Maybe someone could enlighten me?

sarah4136, Saturday, 1 March 2003 18:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

''Julio - why d'you keep clicking on this link, it's obv. you don't like DMB, and you almost know what the unread posts are going to say, yet still you come in, pop a more-than-a-little-smug dismissal at The Googler, then scurry off.''

It's not that I don't like them, its just that I haven't heard a single note from them.

some of the comments are idiotic (if bono likes 'em that must mean something...).

But you know I do the 'smug' thing most of the time anyway cozen, and especially so at the weekends since this place is nearly dead.

You are right. I'll restrain myself.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 1 March 2003 19:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

If Bono likes 'em, it must mean something. Not necessarily an interesting something, tho'. And yeh, I haven't heard a single note from them, either. That's weird, right? They're massive in America - surely there is some bleeding into Britain?

Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 1 March 2003 19:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

But Sarah, I've heard the first two albums. I really wanted to like them. I never did, outside of a few of the radio songs that you feel are their lesser work. It's not like I didn't try to get into them! --Dan

OK. So you don't like them. I'm sure I don't like some of the same music as you. But that doesn't mean we can't get along, and that is my main point.

sarah4136, Saturday, 1 March 2003 19:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

I never said it didn't mean we can't get along! The meanest things I've said on this thread have been direct responses to idiots (direct responses to individuals) and saying that the violinist looks like The Predator (which he does, really).

I don't really know of many other bands or artists whose fans get so much hatred.

Pretty much EVERY band's fans has negative stereotypes. I've spent most of my life deply into Prince (ergo I MUST be a bisexual, hyper-promiscuous fop obsesed with Jesus) and The Cure (ergo I must think I'm a suicidal vampire fairy). Ask fans of The Smiths what people thought of them, or the Sex Pistols, or Marilyn Manson, or pretty much any band or artist out there.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Saturday, 1 March 2003 20:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

Lord knows I love hearing it, but I'm still confused why that guy looks like the Predator. Maybe somebody could put pictures up for us to compare.

I got enough crap for liking REM in elementary school, I can't even IMAGINE what I would have gotten for Prince-appreciation (save for the Batman soundtrack, which was cool because it was about Batman). Maybe that's why I didn't really go nuts about pop until college (even though I watched it all the time on tv I only purchased "alternative" albums).

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 1 March 2003 20:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ahhh, it's the hair that does it. Thank you (I was thinking more about that mouth and don't see much comparison there). Maybe Danny Glover raped the Predator at the end of Predator 2. Hee hee snort!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 1 March 2003 20:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

''If Bono likes 'em, it must mean something. Not necessarily an interesting something, tho'.''

I was being sarcastic as it isn't interesting.

band x likes band y.

that band x is U2 is nothing to me.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 1 March 2003 20:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

oh vienna!

(hi ned)

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 1 March 2003 20:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yeah, I know, julio.

Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 1 March 2003 21:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

Well done, Anthony. ;-)

please be reminded i have not said one bad thing about linkin park.

Uh, yay? (To make it clearer, Mark -- I don't care how many awards they've won or how long they've been together or all that crap, what matters about U2 or any other band is what I think of their music. That should be all that matters to you as well. Or do you seriously go around rating bands based on those extraneous factors rather than their music?)

Ned, like I said I don't care if people like the music or not. That's their opinion. It's when people are prejudiced towards me and other fans that there begins to be a problem.

Fair enough, and as Dan has illustrated, that's something that is pretty commonly felt no matter what you're listening to. I will say though that you were 'irritated' when people judged Mr. Matthews and company on the basis of what they had heard via the radio songs -- so clearly you do care somewhat! ;-) I'm not saying that's a bad thing at all, we could all say something similar. And as Dan notes, his response (and mine) aren't to say, "We can't get along because you like DMB," it's to say, "We're not going to agree on this subject -- that means nothing else about anything else, though, or doesn't have to be." Which it sounds like we're all saying anyway.

ergo I must think I'm a suicidal vampire fairy

You don't, Dan? But but but I do! Oh wait...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 1 March 2003 21:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

if you know the Cure at all, all liking them means is that you're pretty fucking sappy at times.

being a fan, I'm allowed to say that.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 1 March 2003 21:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

''Yeah, I know, julio.''

oh, sorry

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 1 March 2003 21:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

pretty fucking sappy

Seen as a verb phrase instead of a adjectival one, this suggests wonders.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 1 March 2003 21:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

bucking for Dan's job, Ned?

ooh! another accidental double entendre!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 1 March 2003 21:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

who cares what bono thinks..obviously not you..it just brought some credibility to this topic..do you know what credibility is??? its something you try to use when you argue with people ..get it??

Listen junior, not only have I invariably seen U2 more times than you've had hot dinners, I've actually sat down and talked to the man, so don't try to school me about his cred. I don't care if JAZ COLEMAN espouses the music of the Dave Mathews Band. Lending creedence to an artist just because someone you respect or admire likes them is no way to establish merit. Hell, I'm a massive fan of Julian Cope, but the records he cites on his website as 'crucial' I usually find nigh on unlistenable. What I can tell you is that to these ears, the music of the DMB is dead fucking boring and deplorably overrated by a nation of whistleheaded frat schmucks who don't know any better. I couldn't give less of a flaming fuckin' fig if Bono likes them -- he likes fuckin' Patti Smith too, and ya don't see me charging out my door to go buy her fuckin' crappy albums.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 1 March 2003 21:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

HONOR THE ULCER!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 1 March 2003 21:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

sorry, I mean HONOR THE FIRE!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 1 March 2003 21:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

''Listen junior''!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 1 March 2003 21:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

*cough*Shania Ramone*cough*

Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 1 March 2003 22:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

Tom - delete ILM please

James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 2 March 2003 01:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

question for the dmb fans: which jammin totally unique dmb track is best for balancing your bankbook and which is best for dateraping sorority girls? cuz I've been told "tripping billies" for both (Bono says it's great for balancing your checkbook!)

James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 2 March 2003 01:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

date rapin' sorority chix R0x0r, u r all gay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Sunday, 2 March 2003 03:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

ATTN: Forum Moderator...
I don't know who posted the last post, but it sure as hell wasn't me.
Please remove it.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 3 March 2003 15:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

Well, personally I think AOR sounds better when the singer doesn't attempt to sound like Eddie Fucking Vedder...

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 3 March 2003 17:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

(Thank you for the mental image of the Iron Maiden mascot attempting to violate the lead singer of Pearl Jam, Geir.)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 March 2003 17:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

LOL :-)

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 3 March 2003 17:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

Vedder's not really my type, actually

http://maidenheaven2.tripod.com/mascots/eddie8.jpg

Eddie (vassifer), Monday, 3 March 2003 17:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

But Tripod hosting images are?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 March 2003 17:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

(Thank you for the mental image of the Iron Maiden mascot attempting to violate the lead singer of Pearl Jam, Geir.)
Yeah, but Eddie doesn't swing that way...

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 3 March 2003 20:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

I can't believe I've just wasted half an hour of my life reading this bloody thread. And I've never even heard of Dave Matthews before.

ILX in more addictive and debilitating than crack cocaine shock. I can feel time slowly ceasing to have any meaning.

James Ball (James Ball), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 15:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

has anyone noticed that a lot of these posts have been incredibly racist....
P.S(especially the non-dmb fans you white trash pieces of shit)

P.S.S(have you guys ever realize that your just dissing people you will never be i.e Accountants, lawyers, people that go to university)

I think this is the most pathetic thing I've read in years. It's taken me this long to stop laughing at this post and the deeply feeble mind that concocted it. The best thing you can come up with is "you're just jealous that you aren't an accountant"???? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 15:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

I am jealous of the missed attempt to extort, but would be a touch worried that I might be caught. Then I would be sent to prison and not allowed to listen to DMB, apparently. *thinks* Wait, this sounds like a good idea!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 16:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

I don't care if JAZ COLEMAN espouses the music of the Dave Mathews Band

oh yes you do

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 16:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

Heya John! So I hear you met someone I know in San Francisco.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 16:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

You people are ridiculous. You say you hate Dave Matthews Band, but you have nothing to back your comments, and nothing better to say than, "I hate his voice" or "he's a hippe and I hate hippies". Most of you have never even seen DMB, so in my mind, you have absolutly no idea what you're talking about.
I've been listening to them for almost six years and they have never once disappointed me live or musically.
And comparing him to Hitler? I think that's the rudest, most iggnorant thing I have ever heard. Hitler killed 6 million people. Dave makes 6 million people happy every year by putting on amazing shows and for a few hours, making them forget about all the shit that goes on in the world.
And wishing death upon him...come on guys. He's a musician. Hate him if you want, but there's certainly no reason to wish death upon someone who's music you simply don't identify with.
I have laughed so hard at some of you. Saying that Pearl Jam, U2, Counting Crows and Phish are horrible...even though they can sell out stadiums in minutes and have more fans around the world than any other band in history. Phish sold almost a million tickets to "The Great Went" in 1998. Something tells me this wouldn't happen to a band if people didn't like listening to them.
If you don't like him, shut the hell up about it. Because those of us who do are tired of listening to your iggnorant comments about something you obviously know nothing about.

Cheers,
Gracie in Canada

Gracie, Monday, 10 March 2003 17:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

iggnorant

Oh sweet irony.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 10 March 2003 18:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

I have a GREAT reason to hate Dave Matthews, despite his shitty music. Apparently, his affinity for the Dead doesn't extend to the sharing of their philosophy regarding bootlegging CDs. The fucker had his "people" investigate several independent record stores in the city I worked in - Basically putting my job in jeopardy. How's that for a reason to hate a millionaire?

Several stores (including ours) were fined, and in Westchetsre, NY ALONE, two record stores were shut down (temporarily or not, I'm not sure) because Matthews objected to the selling of his "bootlegs" -

Nowadays, we call that section the "import" section and are very careful to never use the 'B' word, suspicious of spies and other soulless metermaid types.

My store, for our part, staged a boycott of all Dave Matthews CDs.

Fuck him and his shitty, sterile music.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Monday, 10 March 2003 18:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

this thread is the best google-bait in AGES

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 10 March 2003 18:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

you have nothing to back your comments, and nothing better to say than, "I hate his voice"

This is a very good reason to hate anything, actually.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 March 2003 18:39 (twenty-one years ago) link


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