craftsmanship, consumerism, virtue, privilege, and quality

ha, laurel, I was just about to expand on that point, too -- i think you can explore the relationship between morality and labor, not just in the sense of "an honest day's work" and the sense of forthrightness & authenticity that implies, but also the idea that hard work is supposed to morally instructive or rehabilitating, and i don't think that diminishes the recognition that much labor is grueling by nature (but that I think ties back to concepts of original sin & being like Christ in our suffering)

why can't I buy a samurai sword that was folded 2000 times in the forge today, I ask you. I have $600. how come?

You and me, we are same-same, elmo.

2000 fold. $189

http://www.globalgear.com.au/bestsellers/shinwa-damascus-black-knight-katana-sword

So I guess the question is, if we want to buy something (like electronics, clothing, etc.) that takes hard labor to create, should we be prepared to pay the true cost of production to ensure that everyone involved in the process properly compensated for their work? The obvious answer is yes, but how could that really be accomplished without the workers still getting exploited and the company just pocketing the extra profits? Also, I think the availability of cheap (undervalued) goods is built into our entire economy- i.e., if I'm going to pay true value for all my consumed goods, I need to be paid more for my own labor by my own employer. So where does this lead? A complete restructuring of our entire economic system?

okay, fine, it's a "ninja" sword. not a samurai sword.

The handles are hardwood construction and wrapped with genuine ray skin and nylon cord.

genuine nylon cord sourced from the same nylon mines that our forebears quarried in Edo period Nippon

there are too many damn people on the earth to NOT make cheap shit. nobody can darn 6 billion pairs of socks. not even my mom!

yes scott but were those 2000 folds folded in by a mere machine or by a true bushido blacksmith versed in the lethal arts

I don't want my 2000 machine folded ninja sword to be cleaved in two by the superior hand-crafted blade of my opponent when locked in mortal combat to the death

hand-crafted blade sourced from locally grown nylon, btw

So I guess the question is, if we want to buy something (like electronics, clothing, etc.) that takes hard labor to create, should we be prepared to pay the true cost of production to ensure that everyone involved in the process properly compensated for their work? The obvious answer is yes, but how could that really be accomplished without the workers still getting exploited and the company just pocketing the extra profits? Also, I think the availability of cheap (undervalued) goods is built into our entire economy- i.e., if I'm going to pay true value for all my consumed goods, I need to be paid more for my own labor by my own employer. So where does this lead? A complete restructuring of our entire economic system?

there's no objective measure for 'properly compensated'

if things get bleaker though people will remember their dormant sewing skills. a la the great depression.

eh we got a lot more shit around these days and mass producing clothes isn't very expensive. the prob is we don't have dormant ipod-repairing skills.

you'd be surprised

all these (globalwarming?) storms bring home the fact that things are getting dangerously overloaded. before the big hurricane here the electric company called everyone in the STATE to tell them that their power might be off for as long as a week. i can't remember that happening in the past. it might have, but i don't remember it. people around here still without power from the snowpocalypse last week. lots of people buying generators this week and they never thought they would need a generator. hand-crafted locally-sourced generators is where its at in new england if you want to get in on the ground floor. the economy is gonna change in weird ways in the coming years.

Gonna start me a company that makes free-range generators out of hemp.

i mean all the back to local handicraft stuff might just be a, uh, harbinger of sorts. a collective unconscious type of thing like birds freaking out before a tornado. maybe everyone is finally getting the picture - like when their entire house is filled with water - that the center cannot hold and all that.

or it could just be boredom with local indie rock scenes.

hand perned in an authentic gyre

and, likewise, current cultural obsession with american pickers/storage wars/pawn stars is a flexing of dormant scavenging muscles. people know, even if they don't know, that finding the good stuff will be increasingly more important when the storm has left town and you don't get a visit from FEMA or the Red Cross for months.

that's a good point

yer man yeats was a fellow for the arts and crafts, d'mac -- his sister worked with morris

and, needless to say, the 400 popular shows about being dropped into the wild and eating bugs.

hand perned in an authentic gyre

W B LOL

i just got a great roycrofter book in at the store. i love their stuff. elbert hubbard's scrapbook. a memorial to the man made with loving detail.

I posted this link over on ILM but it also fits this thread I think. Basically you're paying $500 for a tape reel of music recorded directly from the studio master tapes. You'll need a decent reel-to-reel tape deck. So you'll be sepnding upwards of $1100 for one album and the tape player.

http://www.tapeproject.com/

i like how a thread about consumerism can become a thread about a survivalism

sincerely!

I keep reading the thread title to the tune of Husker Du's "Charity, Chastity, Prudence and Hope."

i would love nothing more than for my kids to learn a trade. find an apprenticeship somewhere. carpenters! the world will always need carpenters. screw college. i mean, what if they became librarians or something! *shudder*

tbh the world also needs librarians

http://hooniverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Time-Enough.png

Oh the the noise board did this already. We're going to stockpile rope, cigarettes, bike parts, and weed and ride our bikes across the country to gbx's family home, or, barring that, possibly mine.

my gf's dad is a master carpenter. i feel that isn't fair, somehow. i can't be expected to impress a master carpenter ffs

Oh yeah, that sucks. Otoh, she seems to like you okay?

that hardly matters where i come from, i need two signatures on the form- paterfamilias and the bishop- then i own her iirc

I posted this link over on ILM but it also fits this thread I think. Basically you're paying $500 for a tape reel of music recorded directly from the studio master tapes. You'll need a decent reel-to-reel tape deck. So you'll be sepnding upwards of $1100 for one album and the tape player.

http://www.tapeproject.com/

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oh hell no you didn't

her

I wouldn't her

Shasta already went there

...the world will always need carpenters. screw college.

And they can go to Screw College to learn how.

graduates of Screw College make 20% more than graduates of Nail College

Don't tell your kid to be a carpenter, get him or her into plumbing, electrical or HVAC if you want to encourage a trade. Or auto mechanic shit.

thread title makes me hear Rancid's "Cash, Culture and Violence" in my head, ugh

HVAC will be a growth industry when we all have to move into hermetically sealed dome cities

DR: It’s like we only have a hammer and it’s really hard to put in screws. Centralized currency is really, really good for competition, it’s really, really good for big companies. Wal-Mart and Citibank can get money more cheaply; the bigger you are, the closer you are to the storehouse. And the big guys don’t want local currencies, they don’t want bottom-up value creation, work-based money, money that is worked into existence instead of borrowed into existence, because that reduces their monopoly over the means of exchange.

http://hilobrow.com/2011/11/04/douglas-rushkoff/

so much smdh in that piece

Wait wait. I just read it and I thought it was like brain explosions, b/c I have never heard of any of the concepts under discussion. Iatee, what are you saying?

if you take everything he says to be true then I could see lots of brain explosions, but like, 30% of what he says is true, most of it is sloppy history and weirdo neo-feudalist econ