Stanley Kubrick: Classic or Dud?

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i love this movie

lagerfeld of modern despots (latebloomer), Monday, 24 October 2011 21:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

I really came around on Barry Lyndon, to a degree that I don't very often with films. Somewhere between a year or two ago, on another thread--a Best Picture of '75 poll, I think--I said that even though I liked Barry Lyndon, I probably would have placed it fifth among the five nominees that year. (Cuckoo's Nest, Dog Day Afternoon, Jaws, and Nashville.) I've watched it a couple more times since, and I'd now put it second or third. Nashville's still my #1; it's hard for me to compare Barry to Jaws, but one of those two would be next. When I did a countdown of my 50 favorite films on Facebook a few months ago, I had Barry Lyndon on the list. The one that's gone down in my estimation is Dog Day, which I watched again a couple of months ago. Great for the first half, then I think it starts to meander.

clemenza, Monday, 24 October 2011 21:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'd like to see your list, clemenza.

ryan, Monday, 24 October 2011 21:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's an open group, Ryan, so give this a try: https://www.facebook.com/groups/200962099931650/. If that doesn't work, send me note through ILX mail and I'll get it to you.

clemenza, Monday, 24 October 2011 21:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

it worked. thanks!

ryan, Monday, 24 October 2011 21:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

Damn, i gotta read that article sometime.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 16:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

Really love that movie, btw. I love how long and drawn out it is. That is probably why I also think "2001" is the greatest film ever made.

The first time I saw it, it brought "A Clockwork Orange" to mind, what with the main theme, which really sounds similar in some ways to the ACO theme. And the bit with the thieves that rob him sort of made me think of something from that as well. Maybe "Barry Lyndon" is what happens to Alex after he is cured.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 16:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

"I love the use of the color blue by the artist."

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 16:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

I watched this for the first time last year in 35mm and it wast just such a treat. thanks for the article

dayo, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 17:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

Saw a 70mm print of 2001 at the Lightbox tonight. As obscure as ever to me--tonight I started thinking that it might be the work of someone who felt quite overwhelmed by the '60s--but I did notice in the credits that there's a Glenn Beck in the film. He plays an astronaut. Hibernating or not, I'm not sure.

clemenza, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 04:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Rich or poor, they are all equal now.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 9 February 2012 16:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

Can anybody recommend some online 2001 writing, specifically technical aspects/the making of/etc.? Started showing a roommate this and while she fell asleep halfway through, for me it was bliss and gorgeousness like always. Probably the most beautiful film, at the very least image-wise, that I have ever seen. The compositing in the moon-landing sequences is flawless and breathtaking, giving a tremendous sense of scale to every element in the scene. Often in this film there will be little windows or ledges with tiny people walking around on them, and you hardly notice it at first, it's such a genius technique. There's always so much bombast and BIG PRETTY PICTURES in his films but he's equally adept at putting in little understated touches that help give everything more life. And clearly he is aware of his powers; in this film is contained not only the 'ultimate psychedelic trip' in the starfield light show, but quite possibly the most boring and comedically dry military briefing ever shot.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 9 February 2012 16:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

If they ever make a Kubrick Biopic I reckon Stanley Townsend is the man.

sleigh tracks (1933-1969) (MaresNest), Thursday, 9 February 2012 16:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

XP Piers Bizony wrote a book that's pretty great iirc

sleigh tracks (1933-1969) (MaresNest), Thursday, 9 February 2012 16:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

I believe Douglas Trumbull is getting his special Oscar Saturday night btw

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 9 February 2012 17:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

Nice. Between 2001 and Blade Runner, he's responsible for a whole lot of the look of cinematic sci-fi.

The Large Hardon Collider (Phil D.), Thursday, 9 February 2012 17:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

and lately, The Tree of Life

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 9 February 2012 17:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

Can anybody recommend some online 2001 writing, specifically technical aspects/the making of/etc.?

Cinefex devoted an entire issue to 2001... worth tracking down a copy.

Also,

Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Thursday, 9 February 2012 17:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

^Yes, that book is terrific!

The Large Hardon Collider (Phil D.), Thursday, 9 February 2012 17:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

This is pretty cool, someone wrote software to attempt to 'unwrap' the images used in the stargate sequence:

http://seriss.com/people/erco/2001/

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 9 February 2012 17:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

i want to EAT this bluray

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 17:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

(barry lyndon)

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 17:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

god it's gorge.

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 17:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

have you masked the screen properly w/ black tape?

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 17:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yah just got the Barry Lyndon blu at a big box store for $8. Psyched to watch it again! Watched on dvd a few weeks ago. I can watch it weekly.

Lawanda Pageboy (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 20:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

been keen on seeing it again after watching Mysteries of Lisbon. not been able to get past the aspect ratio thing, though i obviously should.

encarta it (Gukbe), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 20:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

I recently watched Barry Lyndon on DVD. The sense of passivity and an all-pervasive void both surrounding and expressing the characters was just as strong as in 2001: A Space Odyssey, which felt very strange, but not very engaging. Kubrick must have had a strong misanthropic streak.

Cosy Moments (Aimless), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 20:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

I've never understood that conclusion.

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 20:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

the characters seemed pretty sympathetic and human in Barry Lyndon, at least more so than in Eyes Wide Shut.

Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 20:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

felt bad for Baz by the end of it

encarta it (Gukbe), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 20:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

have you masked the screen properly w/ black tape?

― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, February 14, 2012 12:21 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol, i'm not sure if that would even work. (i've done it several times shooting movies...) it's not clear if there is extraneous information or missing stuff from the top and bottoms

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 20:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

'barry lyndon' is incredibly warm and sad, and one of his 2-3 best.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 21:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

sad I can see, warm not so much

Cosy Moments (Aimless), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 21:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

I am searching for screens of barry lyndon right now

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY (dayo), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 21:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

I love that the whole movie is pushed a stop, why, because the candle light scenes needed to be pushed a stop

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY (dayo), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 21:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

considering kubrick's obsession with photography, stills from his movies are always going to be meticulously composed.

Cosy Moments (Aimless), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 21:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

the scene where his son dies and the last scene are both pretty devastating to me.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 21:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

ya, it is really not cold and emotionless, like at all

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 21:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

ppl always think that about movies where the lead isnt 100% likeable

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 21:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

The sense of passivity and an all-pervasive void

Redmond Barry is not passive! He goes out and gets what he thinks he wants after he's sonned by his beautiful cousin. As for the void, well, that's mortality.

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 21:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

Barry Lyndon is kind of like a human interest version of Candide, to me

valleys of your mind (mh), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 21:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

Redmond Barry is not passive! He goes out and gets what he thinks he wants after he's sonned by his beautiful cousin. As for the void, well, that's mortality.

― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, February 14, 2012 4:41 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ya, he is a pretty active, if wily and amoral, guy

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 21:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

i guess he might seem passive in the sense that he doesnt seem to really like ENJOY anything

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 21:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

Here's what I found about the aspect ratio:

http://somecamerunning.typepad.com/some_came_running/2011/05/leon-vitali-on-the-barry-lyndon-aspect-ratio-issue.html

Seems like they used the correct one, but there's conflicting information.

the acquisition and practice of music is unfavourable to the health of (abanana), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 03:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

You gotta read the Kubrick letter (also on that site)

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 04:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

he doesnt seem to really like ENJOY anything

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 04:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

Bill James: "I loved the first half of Kubrick's career, hated the second half. Spartacus, Lolita, Dr. Strangelove...those are fantastic movies. Everything from 2001 on is pretentious crap. The worst is Barry Lyndon."

He tends to be a little more methodical evaluating baseball players.

clemenza, Saturday, 28 April 2012 01:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

well, what an original and daring opinion.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 28 April 2012 01:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

Made me cringe too. But when a genius ventures outside his field of expertise, I'm inclined to cut him/her some slack.

clemenza, Saturday, 28 April 2012 01:50 (2 years ago) Permalink


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